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MASS EFFECT 5 - yes or no

Tytus

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Maybe if its going to be Ass Effect 5.

Ass Effect? There's already a subreddit for that.

https://old.reddit.com/r/masserect/


I hate the colour pallette in Andromeda too.
This npc animation is a good example :




Ok, now I need Andromeda 2! I need to find out did this Krogan achieve his dreams?! Did he motivate other to do so as well?!
 

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A numbered sequel would be a mistake but there is no reason they could not make another Mass Effect game. Too few science fiction games outside of 4x games and sims.
 

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There were only two Mass Effect games made, the first one and and the second one named Andromeda. How can there be a fifth?
 

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Oh god I just realized if there's a Mass Effect 5 they're going to "address" the Asari being intergalactic uber-feminine sluts aren't they? #MeToo coming to Asari Prime.
 

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They should do ME5 only if they go full on porn game.

It will play to their fanbase, and will be funny for us, an eternal font of memes. (And the mods and modder drama will be glorious!)

It's what the writers know anyway: identity, race, gender, all the sex kinks, maximum cheesiness. Anything else will be a total disaster, in a bad way.
 

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And don't forget it's already started in Prospermeda:

That's taken out of context, in that scene you're talking to a "woke" curator who is presiding over an exhibition of Milky Way races and cultures, which are all lies and/or misinformation.

This is like claiming a game is Nazi propaganda while showing a scene where you're talking to a member of the Hitlerjugend in the game.

The game is actually rather subversive, but in a subtle way. People who dismissed MEA out of hand really fucked up.

The absolutely terribad DAI, with its pomo atheist woke homo plotline and garbage gameplay was loudly cheered by NPCs and GOTYA, while the far superior in all aspects MEA, got what DAI deserved. Sad really.
 

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Good one.

What has a badly animated fight scene have to do with anything I wrote?
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What has a badly animated fight scene have to do with anything I wrote?
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Oh, come on! Strong, no - masculine female Krogan takes charge, and beat the shit out of conservative male Krogan, rewriting presented female Krogan picture from ME3 in the process on pair with some other female Krogan leader from Nexus. And that just the most glaring portrayal that I recall, were various typical stronk wyman leaders across the whole game while male characters were mostly... slick? Except for Ryder father but, you know, we're don't want these types around here.

And look, it's not like it did bother me greatly, rather it was amusing even in a twisted way to observe like in case of TOW but I wouldn't call that "subtle".
 

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And look, it's not like it did bother me greatly, rather it was amusing even in a twisted way to observe like in case of TOW but I wouldn't call that "subtle".

What MEA did was to drop the plotline that krogan females as being super rare, special and protected. They handwave it with a plot-contrivance. For whatever reason they wanted female krogans up front and center.

You can hate that change or ignore it. But "woke"? No. I'll explain:

Krogan females are just as crazy aggressive, huge ass lizard people as their male counterparts. That's always been the case. They just used to be very rare and valued because of the very low fertility rate of the krogan race. That's been changed, for reasons.

However, it's rather telling and quite subtle that the game presents the stronk woman as an ugly, muscly, big and bossy female lizard-woman.

As I say, subtly subversive.
 

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ME isnt anything like a Star Trek concept tho... never was. ME is closer to Star Wars.

No, ME is quite a close rip-off of Babylon 5. I mean there is this big space station (Babylon 5/Citadel) where races meet so they don't fight. Some old race has left artifacts for hyperspace travel all over the galaxy (Jump gates/Mass relays) and another old race in dark biological ships appears every several thousand years and wreaks havoc (Shadows/Reapers). Only that the Babylon 5 ending actually made sense and brought conclusion to the main story!

So let's assume they find some balls and pick the Destroy ending as the canon one. Now we still have the Leviathans left. In my opinion they would be a perfect villain for ME4. They similar enough to Reapers to carry over the feel/atmosphere of Mass Effect and yet different enough to not rehash the story. Leviathans don't have innumerable fleets, don't have Reaperized armies and they indoctrination works differently. When they control a person it's very direct, taking over the entire mind and body and it's not permanent. Once broken the thrall becomes free with no lasting consequences.

I don't know who the Leviathans are, I only played ME1 a long time ago, but this again would match very much the fifth season of Babylon 5, which sadly was a bad rehash of the story before, only with the Drakh instead of the Shadows and nobody noticing it.

If they did a prequel you could basically have a game that starts with the First Contact War like for the prologue/tutorial section then skips ahead 5-10 years.

This would then be like the Babylon 5 TV movie "In the beginning", showing the first contact war between Humans and Minbari.
 

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The game is actually rather subversive, but in a subtle way.
Good one.


One thing I always thought was that why in the hell would Krogan fight with their fists and legs like that? They're not human with a human anatomy. They should be fighting completely different.

I'd chalk it up to more Andromeda fail but I'm pretty sure that was in the original trilogy too.
 

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What MEA did was to drop the plotline that krogan females as being super rare, special and protected. They handwave it with a plot-contrivance. For whatever reason they wanted female krogans up front and center.

You can hate that change or ignore it. But "woke"? No. I'll explain:

Krogan females are just as crazy aggressive, huge ass lizard people as their male counterparts. That's always been the case. They just used to be very rare and valued because of the very low fertility rate of the krogan race. That's been changed, for reasons.

However, it's rather telling and quite subtle that the game presents the stronk woman as an ugly, muscly, big and bossy female lizard-woman.

As I say, subtly subversive.
Alright, image of female krogan before MEA was due to genofag, you've got a point here, but that doesn't change wokeness of MEA in general. And it's everywhere. Subtle or not, it's a matter of perception, but it's there.

What actually bugs me about that - they have translated their precious diversity idea in such a way that not only genders - even races became almost equally unimportant. What's the point of having so mixed crowd if they're barely behave differently from each other? Even brand new race hardly could've been called an exception. They're all the same. Ironically, now that krogan example seem stand out which is... sad.
 

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Andromeda definitely had feminist moments but I can't say it consistently slapped me in the face with them like Outer Worlds did.
 

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Oh god I just realized if there's a Mass Effect 5 they're going to "address" the Asari being intergalactic uber-feminine sluts aren't they? #MeToo coming to Asari Prime.
Its time to uncover the truth about them


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But hey, probably still would. Look at those tits on the squid.


Is this like the female version of hentai tentacles?

Goddamn it, I'm adding this to my game now.
 

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Just get Subverse when it's out.

The game where aliens come fuck your girls and you can't do anything about it?

They should do ME5 only if they go full on porn game.

It will play to their fanbase, and will be funny for us, an eternal font of memes. (And the mods and modder drama will be glorious!)

It's what the writers know anyway: identity, race, gender, all the sex kinks, maximum cheesiness. Anything else will be a total disaster, in a bad way.

QTE sex scenes?



Oh god I just realized if there's a Mass Effect 5 they're going to "address" the Asari being intergalactic uber-feminine sluts aren't they? #MeToo coming to Asari Prime.

And don't forget it's already started in Prospermeda:


Yeah that never made sense to me. Asari's culture was advanced even before they met other aliens (officially) so they would have their own mono-gendered pronouns ingrained in their language for thousands of years, but because they aren't really speaking English the translator would translate them to feminine pronouns to someone like Shepard or Ryder. Because that is their point of reference.
But this is scene is just SJW pandering done by SJWs for SJWS. Clown World indeed.

No, ME is quite a close rip-off of Babylon 5. I mean there is this big space station (Babylon 5/Citadel) where races meet so they don't fight. Some old race has left artifacts for hyperspace travel all over the galaxy (Jump gates/Mass relays) and another old race in dark biological ships appears every several thousand years and wreaks havoc (Shadows/Reapers). Only that the Babylon 5 ending actually made sense and brought conclusion to the main story!

It's also a rip off of Freespace 1/2. Reapers operate much closer to Shivans than to the Shadows. And also in Freespace a precursor race from the previous cycle of destruction sends you a message from beyond the grave with the information - what Shivan weakness is. Not to mention the second game even has their version of Cerberus (pro human organization) that believes only through communicating with the Shivans we can save the human race. Humans even have their own First Contact War with the Vasudans. And there were ancient space gates.


I don't know who the Leviathans are, I only played ME1 a long time ago, but this again would match very much the fifth season of Babylon 5, which sadly was a bad rehash of the story before, only with the Drakh instead of the Shadows and nobody noticing it.

Leviathans are the first race in the Galaxy that evolved over a billion years ago. They are the ones that created Reapers in their own image. You meet their racial remnant in ME3 Leviathan DLC.


This would then be like the Babylon 5 TV movie "In the beginning", showing the first contact war between Humans and Minbari.

Yeah something like that. But the war itself (because it was really short) would only be a jumping off point.





One thing I always thought was that why in the hell would Krogan fight with their fists and legs like that? They're not human with a human anatomy. They should be fighting completely different.

I'd chalk it up to more Andromeda fail but I'm pretty sure that was in the original trilogy too.



Well in Mass Effect 2 when you were on Tuchanka you could actually see many Krogans fighting using their heads with one another as a primary weapon. (The NPCs in the background).
Things is the main problem is that all alien skeletons are just human bone structures with bits added on them for easier animations. This lead to a lot of clipping in the original trilogy and some awkward scenes. But they were limited as they at least tried to think about how those aliens would move. Andromeda just said fuck it.


Andromeda definitely had feminist moments but I can't say it consistently slapped me in the face with them like Outer Worlds did.


Don't scare me. I still want to play that one.
 

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Alright, image of female krogan before MEA was due to genofag, you've got a point here, but that doesn't change wokeness of MEA in general. And it's everywhere. Subtle or not, it's a matter of perception, but it's there.

Taking this a step back. Woke, IMO, is when the person/game/movie/book is browbeating the audience with a very blunt message. Like all men are rapists. That's woke. I hope you agree.

Otherwise, there's a lot of woke things in all Bioware games and certainly all Mass Effect games.

I don't see much of actual wokeness (as described above) in MEA, and the solid examples of wokeness in the game are all subtly disruptive of said wokeness.

In other words, the game is misunderstood and definitely misrepresented. It is not DAI, but when people deride it, they describe DAI.

Yeah that never made sense to me. Asari's culture was advanced even before they met other aliens (officially) so they would have their own mono-gendered pronouns ingrained in their language for thousands of years, but because they aren't really speaking English the translator would translate them to feminine pronouns to someone like Shepard or Ryder. Because that is their point of reference.
But this is scene is just SJW pandering done by SJWs for SJWS. Clown World indeed.

This is over-analyzing to a meaningless degree. There are so many flaws in all the ME games when it comes to alien cultures. Trying to poke a hole in that logic is like poking a hole in a sieve.
 

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This is over-analyzing to a meaningless degree. There are so many flaws in all the ME games when it comes to alien cultures. Trying to poke a hole in that logic is like poking a hole in a sieve.

If I had something meaningful to do I wouldn't be on the Codex in the first place, wouldn't I? :P
 

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This is over-analyzing to a meaningless degree. There are so many flaws in all the ME games when it comes to alien cultures. Trying to poke a hole in that logic is like poking a hole in a sieve.

You love Andromeda we got that, okay.
 

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