KickStarter Mechajammer (formerly Copper Dreams) - cyberpunk RPG from Whalenought Studios

[Immortal]

Suck my dick lmao. That is common knowledge.

You read some article and then wanted to be a big boy and preach how much you know.
Unfortunately your wiki degree didn't make you nearly qualified enough.

 

[Excidium II]

You read some article and then wanted to be a big boy and preach how much you know.
Unfortunately your wiki degree didn't make you nearly qualified enough.

Or you are a pathetic newfag trying too hard. Probably a 2nd semester CS student if you think somehow this is obscure academic knowledge you have.

 

[Sensuki]

That's only really true in TB systems where resolution immediately follows declaration in a character's turn tho. And even then, in Shadowrun for instance since people can get such high reaction times thanks to cyberware and magic, a combat round is divided in further chunks and grenades only go off after the last turn of the next chunk (or on the thrower's turn if he has enough initiative to act on multiple rounds).

That's in pen and paper though. I haven't seen a TB implementation of that in a PC game before. Is that how the genesis game was?

 

[Excidium II]

That's in pen and paper though. I haven't seen a TB implementation of that in a PC game before. Is that how the genesis game was?

Nah the mega drive game is nothing like that. HBS games should have been but...

 

[roshan]

Opposite.. In Shadowrun the Characters are 3D, The maps are "2D". (All the walls and tiles are 2D Images with an isometric perspective to trick you, there is no Depth to those images)

This is not correct. Enable "perspective projection" in the options menu.....

 

[Immortal]

This is not correct. Enable "perspective projection" in the options menu.....

Yea I guess so.. This is what I meant.

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Technically the map objects are 3D (Everything in Unity is "3D").. the engine has 0 support for an actual meaningful Y Axis though (You can't simulate Height) AKA a truly 3D map.
There is a lot of hodge podging going on..

When you create an asset, you create 2 - 4 Images that represent 4 perspectives, It seems like this texture is auto mapped to a mesh using a configuration file:




The game is not true 3D though. You can only view these rendered meshes from 4 angles..
anything else would have a retarded slanted look.

Of course the textures are applied to "3D Objects" but the game is not "3D" (Again we have no height logic other then some lame hacks for detecting cover).. if you fire the editor and look at a map, it's all flat laid out.

 

[Sensuki]

No you don't.
The fact you tried to state that Unity is a "3D" engine (even though it supports 2D games)

I thought he was making a joke as name of the engine is commonly referred to "Unity3D". ymmv tho

 

[Excidium II]

No I was 100% serious as made evident by the basculating parrot at the end of the sentence.

 

[Immortal]

No I was 100% serious as made evident by the basculating parrot at the end of the sentence.

I actually couldn't tell.. your that

 

[Ellef]

No I was 100% serious as made evident by the basculating parrot at the end of the sentence.

brofists for basculating

 

[thesheeep]

Nah the mega drive game is nothing like that. HBS games should have been but...

The complexity of SR rules does not allow a quick implementation.
This is not DnD, which can be implemented far more easily.

I am very sure that they would not have had the time to implement the full ruleset in the first game.

And even if they did... would the SR ruleset work in a game unmodified?
Some people have/had problems with the simplified rules of D&D in the IE games. And I doubt that HBS was aiming at the rules-knowing hardcore crowd only

 

[Excidium II]

The complexity of SR rules does not allow a quick implementation.
This is not DnD, which can be implemented far more easily.

I am very sure that they would not have had the time to implement the full ruleset in the first game.

And even if they did... would the SR ruleset work in a game unmodified?
Some people have/had problems with the simplified rules of D&D in the IE games. And I doubt that HBS was aiming at the rules-knowing hardcore crowd only

Men you post that on the thread of a development team consisting of a dude and a chick that made a crpg with far greater scope than any of the HBS games. I am sure they could manage.

Your last point however is too real. Everything is shit.

 

[thesheeep]

Everything is shit.

How comes every one of your posts could be summarized like this?

Men you post that on the thread of a development team consisting of a dude and a chick that made a crpg with far greater scope than any of the HBS games. I am sure they could manage.

Greater scope in content, not in ruleset. That is a significant difference, especially from the programming side.
I'm not saying they could not achieve that, and I hope that some day someone will, but it has to be worthwhile for the one doing it. And how many additional people would buy a game just because it has a faithful implementation of ruleset XY? Enough?

 

[Excidium II]

Making CRPGs isn't worthwile.

And I'd consider it a lot more trouble for designers to create content that makes good use of the in-depth systems than it is for programmers to implement it. Shadowrun is mechanical enough that it should be simple to translate.

 

[roshan]

Greater scope in content, not in ruleset. That is a significant difference, especially from the programming side.

In what way are the HBS games greater in scope than SITS in terms of ruleset? I think SITS actually has a significantly more complex ruleset than Dragonfall, especially from the programming side. For fuck's sake, you are comparing a proper CRPG with a simplistic tablet game.

In fact the Shadowrun games have an extremely simple ruleset - abilities use is regulated by cooldowns (simplest way you could do it - no resource management required), only 2 AP per turn (unlike games that require you to weigh actions against each other in terms of AP cost), player turns are taken at the same time (as opposed to having each unit's turn order calculated by some sort of initiative system). The combat system in Shadowrun is actually the very simplest and most basic implementation of turn based combat you could possibly think of. SITS has a more complex combat system, RTWP, a more complex system of ability use (you can "equip" multiple combat techniques on the same character, and each combat technique can be developed with skill points), a more complex spell system (with variable casting speed, plus recurring effects based on procing every certain number of seconds, furthermore, spells become more powerful based on both skill investments and attribute increases). On the other hand, spells in Shadowrun have fixed effects, and cannot be improved - you replace your "fire 1" spell with the "fire 2".

Of course, Shadowrun has the matrix and rigging. But SITS has the harbinger skill, the nobility skill, incantations from linguistics (including the ability to steal), and woodwise which can be used to lay traps, plus alchemy for making potions. And it has multiple means of attack (bladed weapons, heavy weapons, crossbows, bows, elixirs, whips) - which each use different combat techniques, and can be trained with use.

Going further, there's no real inventory in Shadowrun and items you pick up are magically stashed to base. Damn thing didn't even have a save system upon release. There's no world map, everything is mission based, therefore there is no issue of persistency of maps, units, shop inventories, very few quest variables to keep track of. Serpent in the Staglands has a huge, persistent, open world, a travellable worldmap like Fallout, and your actions in one place have repercussions on other areas of the world.

Come to think of it - How in the world did two people get all this done on a shoestring budget, an actual full fledged RPG, while big developers raising millions end up producing a series of glorified tablet games??? It's mind-boggling.

 

[Infinitron]

That's not actually what he said.

 

[aratuk]

So… when do we start throwing money at Whalenought? Kickstarter in January, hmm, February?

 

[Sensuki]

Update: Game has now moved to 3D character models from 2D due to technical difficulties.

 

[Hobo Elf]

Well, that's a bit disappointing, but I'm still interested in seeing what a GOOD artist can do with 3D.

 

[Doktor Best]

Divinity OS and Wasteland 2 DC looked good, so i dont care that much.

 

[Excidium II]

Update: Game has now moved to 3D character models from 2D due to technical difficulties.

wah what a shame.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

 

[Excidium II]

It would have looked p. distinctive with the 2D dudes on 3D enviroments. Oh well.

 

[CryptRat]

wah what a shame.

:D

Disappointing, they'll need to try harder if they want to lower my hype :D. I missed SiTS' kickstarter, I won't miss this one.

 

[Sensuki]

It would have looked p. distinctive with the 2D dudes on 3D enviroments. Oh well.

yeah I know. Unfortunately they were running into issues with shadows and environmental interaction animations, thus the switch.