Heroic Liberator
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Wouldn't surprise me if it'll be a Darkest Dungeon 2 sort of fiasco tbh.
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Incline MENACE - sci-fi turn-based tactical RPG from Battle Brothers devs - coming to Early Access in Q3 2025
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Neither was she giving orders being a simple grunt (with tons of character).
Ditto lol - lovely clear graphics on that (and I'm not normally a fan of pixellated graphics).
See, this board still fulfils its most basic primal function of alerting us to games we might like
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Q3 2025 is the EA release.
thesecret1
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I am shocked that a studio behind these characters would release a shit trailer full of womyn
Iluvcheezcake
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Its a German studio, no worries. Every German is dreaming about aryan supremacy at least a little bit
PanteraNera
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As a German I can confirm this.
Tyranicon
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I'm also annoyed that in the far future, on a different planet, you need groundhumpers to take care of some... spacehicks in technicals? At least in enclosed urban environments or underground that would make more sense.
Also there's a rando-ass Religious™ squaddie. Should we call it the TradMech?
Also there's a rando-ass Religious™ squaddie. Should we call it the TradMech?
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If 'ticking boxes' was a picture...I am shocked that a studio behind these characters would release a shit trailer full of womyn
I wonder if this nonsense was a requirement for government 'support' or if they really wanted to produce generic slop.
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It's especially weird since the art style and writing/atmosphere were big reasons why BB was able to break through the tacticool niche and actually reach a bigger audience. I know a lot of more RPG-oriented people who never touched pure tacticools, who loved BB, and even some normies heard about it. On steam it's pretty much the second biggest western tacticool behind XCOM2. I can't see MENACE getting even close to repeating this success, with how bland it looks.
Tyranicon
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As Teut Busnet mentioned, Wartales has since taken over.
If you don't know what Wartales is, it's basically a version of Battle Brothers that is inferior in every way imaginable but made for a mainstream audience. That doesn't neccesarily mean it's a bad game (even if I really don't like it) but BB is just vastly superior.
Being possibly the closest competitor in the mercenary tactical rpg genre, you can see how Overhype may have taken some cues from them.
This will probably be what people will call a "bad move, dudes."
Heroic Liberator
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Does it do anything different in a good way? Dunno if I should bother checking it out or not.
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^ Pretty much my thoughts.
Here are my first impressions and also final impressions until the game is further into development.
TL;DR: If you're looking for Battle Brothers in 3D, prepare to be disappointed. Otherwise, it's promising.
Overall Wartales seems like a decent 3D RPG in the same vein as Battle Brothers (or a turn-based Mount and Blade), although I'm hard-pressed to list anything it does better than BB, outside of the 3d preference.
Technical
Firstly, the game is very light on graphical settings, but that can be semi-forgiven as it is in Early Access. Resolution seems locked to 1920x1080, and there's no option for text size, which is absurdly small (or maybe I'm just old). The zoom is horrendous. Using the mouse wheel to zoom in only does so by the barest amount (why even bother?), so expect to squint at your characters both on the campaign map and battle maps.
The game itself seems to run fine, save for some microfreezing when loading into a battle.
Character creation
There is no character creation, outside of choosing what starting group of mercenaries you have, and what bonuses are applied.
Party management/Classes
Seems pretty robust if somewhat standard. Companions are separated into classes, depending on what weapon they wield (haven't played enough of the game to do a deep dive into class balance). You can rest via a campfire, which is also when you feed and pay your mercs (which isn't automatic, you have to do this manually). Unfortunately, companions have no real relationship mechanics or anything to set them apart from being meatbags for combat.
Items also locked to classes, or non-combat "professions" that your mercs can get. Very little character customization at all outside of equipment.
Combat
Ooooof. Here is where the gripes come in. Keep in mind that I love Battle Brothers and I develop systems similar to BB (in a weird hybrid dnd 5e + FF tactics way).
Combat is distressingly gamey, as opposed to simulationist. The set up phase is barely there. You get a small number of arbitrary spots where your companions can load in, and that's it. Put all your melee in the front, ranged in the back, and that's all the flexibility you get, regardless of how you meet/ambush the enemy.
The turn order is also different. Wartales uses an Open Turn Order, where you can choose any unit that hasn't taken their turn yet. I don't like this system because it's just... too easy.
Engaging an enemy in close quarters "locks" you into melee combat, sort of like DnD. However, "disengaging" will trigger an opportunity attack. This is bound to be confusing for some based on the wording.
A lot of weapons are AOE, and they also do friendly fire. You can normally aim the attack cone, except when you're locked in melee combat, then the cone is fixed. There is NO option for non-AOE attacks with weapons such as two handed swords or axes (lol wut?).
Spears and polearms push enemies back with the "impale" attack (lol wut? x2).
So just with these basics, you can see how a typical combat encounter could be gamey and cheesed, rather than somewhat simulationist/realistic like BB.
Combat overall is extremely easy to anybody with experience in these types of games. Enemy AI is sufficient, but I haven't seen anything too spectacular or challenging. Most early games mobs are just the standard bandits.
Action economy is also similar to DnD. You get movement, one attack action, and some bonuses. Some of the "bonus actions" for the lack of a better word, are very strong and this is balanced by [resource name that I forgot].
Crafting
Lol, I didn't do any of this. Or the minigames, as they seemed tedious.
Campaign
Similar to BB. You can go to towns (which have buildings with interiors) to pick up missions and talk to NPCs, etc. After picking up a mission, your map is marked. Random mobs and be interacted with (usually just attack, steal or leave). Doesn't seem to have much in the way of faction systems at this point, outside of Reputation.
There does seem to be more depth in some areas, but I haven't played enough to find out.
Wartales in it's current state is the definition of what's wrong with Recommended/Not Recommended review systems. It's a 6/10, but according to Steam, it's 87% positive. Tbf, the devs did put their work in and it's very promising. While it doesn't rival Battle Brothers at it's current stage, it may one day.
TL;DR: If you're looking for Battle Brothers in 3D, prepare to be disappointed. Otherwise, it's promising.
Overall Wartales seems like a decent 3D RPG in the same vein as Battle Brothers (or a turn-based Mount and Blade), although I'm hard-pressed to list anything it does better than BB, outside of the 3d preference.
Technical
Firstly, the game is very light on graphical settings, but that can be semi-forgiven as it is in Early Access. Resolution seems locked to 1920x1080, and there's no option for text size, which is absurdly small (or maybe I'm just old). The zoom is horrendous. Using the mouse wheel to zoom in only does so by the barest amount (why even bother?), so expect to squint at your characters both on the campaign map and battle maps.
The game itself seems to run fine, save for some microfreezing when loading into a battle.
Character creation
There is no character creation, outside of choosing what starting group of mercenaries you have, and what bonuses are applied.
Party management/Classes
Seems pretty robust if somewhat standard. Companions are separated into classes, depending on what weapon they wield (haven't played enough of the game to do a deep dive into class balance). You can rest via a campfire, which is also when you feed and pay your mercs (which isn't automatic, you have to do this manually). Unfortunately, companions have no real relationship mechanics or anything to set them apart from being meatbags for combat.
Items also locked to classes, or non-combat "professions" that your mercs can get. Very little character customization at all outside of equipment.
Combat
Ooooof. Here is where the gripes come in. Keep in mind that I love Battle Brothers and I develop systems similar to BB (in a weird hybrid dnd 5e + FF tactics way).
Combat is distressingly gamey, as opposed to simulationist. The set up phase is barely there. You get a small number of arbitrary spots where your companions can load in, and that's it. Put all your melee in the front, ranged in the back, and that's all the flexibility you get, regardless of how you meet/ambush the enemy.
The turn order is also different. Wartales uses an Open Turn Order, where you can choose any unit that hasn't taken their turn yet. I don't like this system because it's just... too easy.
Engaging an enemy in close quarters "locks" you into melee combat, sort of like DnD. However, "disengaging" will trigger an opportunity attack. This is bound to be confusing for some based on the wording.
A lot of weapons are AOE, and they also do friendly fire. You can normally aim the attack cone, except when you're locked in melee combat, then the cone is fixed. There is NO option for non-AOE attacks with weapons such as two handed swords or axes (lol wut?).
Spears and polearms push enemies back with the "impale" attack (lol wut? x2).
So just with these basics, you can see how a typical combat encounter could be gamey and cheesed, rather than somewhat simulationist/realistic like BB.
Combat overall is extremely easy to anybody with experience in these types of games. Enemy AI is sufficient, but I haven't seen anything too spectacular or challenging. Most early games mobs are just the standard bandits.
Action economy is also similar to DnD. You get movement, one attack action, and some bonuses. Some of the "bonus actions" for the lack of a better word, are very strong and this is balanced by [resource name that I forgot].
Crafting
Lol, I didn't do any of this. Or the minigames, as they seemed tedious.
Campaign
Similar to BB. You can go to towns (which have buildings with interiors) to pick up missions and talk to NPCs, etc. After picking up a mission, your map is marked. Random mobs and be interacted with (usually just attack, steal or leave). Doesn't seem to have much in the way of faction systems at this point, outside of Reputation.
There does seem to be more depth in some areas, but I haven't played enough to find out.
Wartales in it's current state is the definition of what's wrong with Recommended/Not Recommended review systems. It's a 6/10, but according to Steam, it's 87% positive. Tbf, the devs did put their work in and it's very promising. While it doesn't rival Battle Brothers at it's current stage, it may one day.
Not to mention one of the devs supposedly having a small meltdown over half the hireable units in the game being women or something.
Yeah, who doesn't need modernism in their medieval mercenary simulator?
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Heroic Liberator
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Yep, that's a nope from me. Thanks for the heads up.
Tyranicon
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I also edited in my EA review.
People who bothered playing Wartales in 1.0, did they get rid of the fact that impale attacks on spears knocked units back?
Utterly ridiculous.
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"It's modern life" as they're making a medieval game. No matter how much one hates these people, it's simply not enough.
If you find concrete information that confirms it, please tag me. Gonna update the List of woke RPGs list.
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women giving 'commands' or acting as computer voice in cockpits or during combat I think might be something the military dose on purpose to calm soldiers nerves, people have a preference for women's voices in general. I think I heard something along those lines at least................. maybe I imagined it...
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/wa...raft-voice-based-warning-systems-history.html
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damn you guys are a bunch of whiny little lady boys, jesus fucking christ. Get a grip on yourselves.
"I think I heard a woman, OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!" I deplore woke shit too, but my god, calm the fuck down you bunch of Herbs
Also the game looks fine, it sort of reminds me of a turn-based Terminator Dark-Fate Defiance, which is a good thing.
"I think I heard a woman, OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!" I deplore woke shit too, but my god, calm the fuck down you bunch of Herbs
Also the game looks fine, it sort of reminds me of a turn-based Terminator Dark-Fate Defiance, which is a good thing.
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Dudes chest is literally lit up with decorations, he appears to be ranking officer.
holla_cabezas_de_mierda
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I agree. I played it and it was just so boring I could not get into it at all.
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