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Will this be as gay as BG3?
DA:I is less gay than BG3, but also more boring.

Also, don't forget how effeminate the men were in this game. I even remember that you could come across a hut where it was very carefully emphasized that it was the man who was spinning.
Yeah but on the other hand, you had Cassandra, who iirc is straight and wants to be courted in the trad way. You can make her the next pope too lol
 

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Will this be as gay as BG3?
DA:I is less gay than BG3, but also more boring.

Also, don't forget how effeminate the men were in this game. I even remember that you could come across a hut where it was very carefully emphasized that it was the man who was spinning.
Yeah but on the other hand, you had Cassandra, who iirc is straight and wants to be courted in the trad way. You can make her the next pope too lol

Yes. Josephine was nice too.

But you know what? In healthy people, positive memories crowd out negative ones for the good of our psyche. You remember the girls, but you forgot how Bull wanted to fuck a dragon, how embarrassing the song was during moving to the castle, how much the power of women was emphasized and how often Dorian repeated that he was homosexual. And, my personal favorite, Sera The Lesbian Molester.
 
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Sure you can say how Cassandra and her God awful voice was cringe trad wife (who shouldn't be the pope at all, retarded choice), but they made her look like even a bigger dyke between DA2 and DA:I
 

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Sure you can say how Cassandra and her God awful voice was cringe trad wife (who shouldn't be the pope at all, retarded choice), but they made her look like even a bigger dyke between DA2 and DA:I

Prince charming, huh?

Also, don't forget how effeminate the men were in this game.
Aren't you an accredited homosexual?

No. I'm a cute heterosexual male. Girls simply likes me, and I like them :D
 
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Leliana even in origins was a hedonist whore, one of those fake "born again christians" after decades living the most disgusting life possible.

Anyone who played into her "repented girl side" in hopes of changing her for good shouldn't have expected anything, even in origins. These people always use that as their last resort when their lifestyle catches up to them.

By wanting strong independent atheist "religious" woman in their game, they unintentionally made a pretty good point with her character. Unless you killed her, of course.
 

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I don't know about that. In a universe in which alien life is normalised, it makes sense to have a great, unknowable threat to tickle the imagination. Unfortunately the Reapers were not that
 

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Will this be as gay as BG3?
DA:I is less gay than BG3, but also more boring.

DA:I has a gay companion that looks like Freddy Mercury and his whole quest line revolves around his father trying to subject him to gay conversion therapy via blood magic, and Freddy whines about it all the time.

The game even retconned the Qunari into being totally accepting of transgenderism, even though their whole society is based on ultra-strict sex roles. I guess Qunari females can now just self-identify out of their oppression.

Does BG3 lean anywhere near as heavily into such explicitly message-laden content?
 
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Baron Tahn

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Yeah its pretty much worse than that. As I recall DA:I had a more robust selection of companions though so...maybe that had a higher saturation? Probably pretty on par. In BG3 you get zero playable npc characters (that I have seen so far) who are not affected in some way by lgbt++/gender politics/modern progressive values. No male fighters that are sane, all women. No female rogues or softies, they all men.

Pretty sure there were a few normies in DA:I? Cant remember tbh.

Edit:whoops post got snaked. I was responding to skinwalker above.

Double ed: actually sorry I meant Falksi. Profile pics look the same.
 
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I've not played BG3 yet, but DA:I was homo city and a vile incarnation of a game. No way BG3 can seriously be worse than that? Bull and his cronies wouldn't shut the fuck up about trying to bum things.

BG3 has the gays and it has a drag queen, it has all the gender and pronoun nonsense in character creation that one might expect in current year and it also has pansexual companions who all want to fuck you, even if you're an animal like Half-Orc or Dragonborn.

But in BG3 this stuff is... just there. The game doesn't really dwell on it or get preachy about it like DA:I does, where you've got Dorian and his gay conversion story and Krem and the Bull giving you an outright lecture on transgenderism.

There is also a difference in tone. During the Iron Bull homo romance, DA:I veers into BDSM shit with all sort of "educational" talk about trust and being safe and having a safe word. It's all very serious and very correct in explicitly affirming that yes does in fact mean yes.

How does BG3 handle BDSM shit? You meet some degenerate religious zealot, a follower of Loviatar, who's into self-flagellation and you can volunteer to have him have a go at you while your companions make humorous comments and jokes about the whole scene and the degenerate is giving a hilariously camp performance of being in total ecstasy while he inflicts pain on you. The whole thing is very tongue-in-cheek and pretty funny, hell, you even get a permanent buff as a reward if you pass all the ability checks.

I find the degeneracy much more palpable in BG3 than in DA:I, mainly because it's not handled in such a serious manner and it never puts this stuff as explicitly at the front and center like DA:I does.
 

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A fair opinion. But then I could completely ignore Bull. I literally do not remember talking to him once, as there was a dwarf and some others to take - although I remember I struggled to fill the last slot in party I think.

You cant do that in BG3. Its just there, true, but literally everywhere seeping from every crack. I cant think of a way to build the party that avoids it, maybe the stronk Githyanki...Just cos she doesnt give too mamy fucks? Anyway I resorted to those extra magic box adventurers eventually to silence the bullshit.
 

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You cant do that in BG3. Its just there, true, but literally everywhere seeping from every crack. I cant think of a way to build the party that avoids it, maybe the stronk Githyanki...Just cos she doesnt give too mamy fucks? Anyway I resorted to those extra magic box adventurers eventually to silence the bullshit.


DA:I is Brokeback Mountain, while BG3 is a Village People video.

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If it bothers you so much, there is a pretty good mod that changes most of the homo/tranny NPCs to normal people and constrains the character creator appropriately:
https://rpghq.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=34884-no-alphabets-4-4-1-baldur-s-gate-3
This mod changes the romance options to be non-gay:
https://rpghq.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=40764-better-romance-2-5-0-baldur-s-gate-3
 
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Anyway I resorted to those extra magic box adventurers eventually to silence the bullshit.

It's hilarious that the preset ones are ugly as hell to discourage players from choosing them. You have to intentionally make creatures that ugly.
 

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Yeah. But at least they just stfu and let you play protag. Be good if a solid mod comes out to build the party, but then every second person you meet still got splashed with the rainbow so I dunno. Weird to look fondly back on DA:I cos it was average but I seem to remember being able to get through most of the story without it.

Anyway back on topic hopefully Bioware can bring it back? ME did have some cool companions that were just normalish, Miranda was believable enough with sorta normal daddy issues, Liara was cute, dlc merc dude was pretty awesome, assassin Krell was single father archetype, had some choices there. Lets forget Andromeda ever happened.
 

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Anyway back on topic hopefully Bioware can bring it back? ME did have some cool companions that were just normalish, Miranda was believable enough with sorta normal daddy issues, Liara was cute, dlc merc dude was pretty awesome, assassin Krell was single father archetype, had some choices there. Lets forget Andromeda ever happened.
In ME2, as a female Shep, you could fuck everything except a white guy. You could fuck black, green and blue, but not white.
 

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Gotchya.

DA:I was ridiculous with it to the point it didn't feel remotely like a fantasy adventure, it felt like a Twitter/Reddit cosplay party.
 

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Anyway back on topic hopefully Bioware can bring it back? ME did have some cool companions that were just normalish, Miranda was believable enough with sorta normal daddy issues, Liara was cute, dlc merc dude was pretty awesome, assassin Krell was single father archetype, had some choices there. Lets forget Andromeda ever happened.

Those days are long over in AAA space, at least until the industry sees some "disruption."

By disruption I mean corporate game stooges get their ass handed to them by people with talent and an actual passion for building games.
 

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