No Man's Sky

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[NotAGolfer]

Isn't it a bit too early to get all argumentative about a game that isn't even done? There isn't even an estimated release date yet and we don't know if they will implement interesting mechanics to upgrade yourself and your ship and interesting dangers/obstacles in between all that admittedly hopelessly overhyped random generation bullshit. That part is interesting indeed because of the pure scale of it and the way it's all connected/harmonized (allegedly), but if that's the main draw of the game then there is no doubt it will suck.
But maybe there will be some solid survival/rogue-like mechanics to make it interesting, and maybe they only send that always grinning buffoon in front of the cameras because the real brainiacs don't want to be distracted from creating the

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Who am I kidding, it will be a pointless waste of time.

 

[Zep Zepo]

At (or before maybe) E3, they were hinting a release is imminent...so if this is close to release...no thanks.

There is nothing here but scanning fish (or whatever) to get "names", blasting some rocks to get "resources"...or killing the same generic "robot protector" over and over and over...

and over....and over....*yawn*

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[Zep Zepo]

Incompetence

How's the saying go...DenialIncompetence is not just a river in..."



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[Zewp]

So why is any other roguelike in existence interesting?

And why do people replay games like FTL, dungeons of dredmor or binding of isaac?

Because they actually have fun gameplay?

 

[Zewp]

JCD, Imagine there are robots. There are hundreds of robots which are produced by a factory and all of them are same (procedural games) but suddenly someone makes a robot that can create other robots( No Man's Sky).

Wouldn't that be impressive?

But what do you actually do with the robots?

Also, it will be impressive for about 5 seconds and then everyone gets over it and goes on with their lives. This is what's going to happen here. A whole game cannot be supported by just "ooh procedural generation wow". They're being paid to make a game, not just 'cool' tech. 'Cool tech' does not translate into hours of fun.

 

[Burning Bridges]

This engine creates an infinite amount of worlds which all look the same. That will be indeed a great achievement, and I can't wait to play it.

Spoiler

dumbest shit ever

 

[praetor]

It is, no game before was made by the game engine.

how can you be so stupid? i really mean it. how can somebody have such a low IQ and still be a functioning enough entity to turn on a PC, log on a forum and type words? how do you do it? i'm genuinely curious

you dumb fuck. every fucking procedurally generated game is "made by the game engine". every. fucking. one. it's the goddamn definition of "procedurally generated"

 

[Makabb]

It is, no game before was made by the game engine.

how can you be so stupid? i really mean it. how can somebody have such a low IQ and still be a functioning enough entity to turn on a PC, log on a forum and type words? how do you do it? i'm genuinely curious

you dumb fuck. every fucking procedurally generated game is "made by the game engine". every. fucking. one. it's the goddamn definition of "procedurally generated"

There are different levels of procedural generation.In elite dangerous for example more sophisticated techniques are used, based on solid rules and science with arist directed input.Variation is achieved by parameterizing the algorithms, like having photoshop filters and 3dxmax modifiers directly embedded with the game engine.

No man's sky generation is even more complex.

 

[Angthoron]

Isn't it a bit too early to get all argumentative about a game that isn't even done?

Huh, I thought I opened the wrong webzone for a moment.

 

[Zewp]

There are different levels of procedural generation.In elite dangerous for example more sophisticated techniques are used, based on solid rules and science with arist directed input.Variation is achieved by parameterizing the algorithms, like having photoshop filters and 3dxmax modifiers directly embedded with the game engine.

No man's sky generation is even more complex.

That's such a cool story bro but what do you actually do for fun in the game? Looking at variations of the same thing can't be fun for long.

 

[Makabb]

That's such a cool story bro but what do you actually do for fun in the game?

You take pretty screenshots and look at them.

 

[Jackalope]

This is pretty much Spore without the cool creature creator... And the creature creator was the funnest thing in that game.

 

[Burning Bridges]

There are different levels of procedural generation.In elite dangerous for example more sophisticated techniques are used, based on solid rules and science with arist directed input.Variation is achieved by parameterizing the algorithms, like having photoshop filters and 3dxmax modifiers directly embedded with the game engine.

No man's sky generation is even more complex.

This. In fact No Mans is so compleks if a game ever becomes more compleks it would become quasi sentient, and it's an act of murder to switch the computer off.

Srlsy bro. People shouldn't post while on IQ reducers.

how can you be so stupid? i really mean it. how can somebody have such a low IQ and still be a functioning enough entity to turn on a PC, log on a forum and type words? how do you do it? i'm genuinely curious

you dumb fuck. every fucking procedurally generated game is "made by the game engine". every. fucking. one. it's the goddamn definition of "procedurally generated"

Someone call 911. I suspect the real Makabb is dead and Skyrim's complex AI has taken over his account. Or perhaps he went to university and his 8 year old brother has his computer now.

 

[Burning Bridges]

Once the game releases it will fall apart within 24h, when people realize it is just 1 planet with a few hundred distinct objects, copied over and over and over. I can see from the videos that there is not 1 "complex" algorithm in this game.
I bet it was this - what's this dumb fuck with the beard name? - guys idea what if you just do N objects and a set of functions that do N! things with them like put antlers on a goat, and horns on a whale, and penises on a flower, and call it "compleks" procedural generation, you get a trillion trillion objects m'kay.
That's is absolutely lousy procedural generation, and the greatest example of baloney since Oblivion.

 

[theSavant]

That's such a cool story bro but what do you actually do for fun in the game? Looking at variations of the same thing can't be fun for long.

I kinda agree... try to look at it more as a simulation than an actual game to play or have fun. But even simulations can be entertaining and interesting. Afaik you'll be able to upgrade your ship, weapons, equipment, so I guess the closer you come to the center of the galaxy the better equipped your ship should be. Kinda exploration with "RPG" elements. Wasn't the original "STALKER" game described similarly? The further you get into the zone, the more dangerous it gets... or so... Eventually environments, creatures, planets gonna change (or so I assume), so that probably keeps one going.

 

[vonAchdorf]

Much information from the Playstation blog.

Hello, PlayStation.Blog! I’m Alex, from Hello Games. Hope you’re well! How’s your summer going? Ours? We’re kinda recovered from E3, where Sean showed off live No Man’s Sky gameplay for the first time. It has been a big relief that people seemed to like it. You can’t know just how scary it is to show a game as open-ended as No Man’s Sky live on a stage for an audience of millions.

Since then, we’ve also been super proud that IGN has devoted July’s IGN First to No Man’s Sky. We hope you’ve had a chance to see some of the amazing articles that they’ve published, maybe including this 18-minute video of Sean exploring a planet.

We’ve been thinking, though, that No Man’s Sky is pretty good at hiding its secrets, and that there there are some facts about the game that might not be so obvious — facts that help it all make sense, and come alive. So we’ve put together a list of 41 things about the game that you might not realize. We hope you enjoy them, and thanks so much for all your support.

It’s been so amazing to share with you what we’ve been doing over the past few months.

Things about space




The universe isn’t actually infinite

• Computers don’t really do infinity very well. But there are 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 planets in the universe. If you visit each one for a single second, it will take you 585 billion years to see them all, so it may as well be.

The universe isn’t random

• Everything exists for a reason, and is governed by maths. Maths means every detail is always consistent and makes sense, the result of hundreds of rules we’ve made to make a sci-fi universe we want to explore. And anyway, computers just aren’t very good at random, either.

The universe isn’t stored on your hard disk or on server somewhere

• The world around you is generated by your PS4 at the point you visit it. Leave and it’s all thrown away, but if you return it is generated again exactly as it was. This also means the game will be completely playable offline.

No Man’s Sky isn’t an MMO

• The sheer size of the universe means that everyone is going to be super far apart, and it’s super unlikely that people will even visit the same planets.

There are bots exploring the universe right now

• We have sent a set of bots out into the void to send back to us gifs of planets. We can quickly review the gifs, lots at a time, to see what kinds of things are out there, and ensure it’s varied and interesting.

Things about exploring

There isn’t a story to follow

• There are no cutscenes or characters, but there is a big objective: getting to the center of the universe. We don’t want to tell you a story, we want you to tell your own. No Man’s Sky is about your journey.

You will make true discoveries

• Be the first to visit a planet, or be the first to scan a species of creature, and you will be recorded as its discoverer when you upload it at a beacon for all the world to see. You can also choose to name them. (There will be filters!)

The Atlas is everything everyone has ever discovered

• The No Man’s Sky symbol stands for the database of all the things that players have discovered and chosen to share with the world. It’s perhaps the most important thing in the universe, and will contain findings that even we have no idea about.

You’ll find ancient artifacts and crashed ships

• They may lead to you discovering new technologies, which can give your ship, suit, and multitool new or improved abilities.

A jetpack is an explorer’s best friend

• It can get you out of all sorts of trouble, and take you to places you wouldn’t otherwise be able to access.

Things about planets




Planets are defined by their position in space

• If they’re close to their sun they’ll tend to be more barren; further away and they’ll tend to be cold. The planets in between tend to be richer with life.

Most planets are barren

• Few planets will be dense with plant life and animals. Most will be barren, but even barren planets can be sources of great wealth.

Planets can be toxic

• Some planets are death traps, with radiation or other hazards that will kill you in minutes. To survive you’ll need to upgrade your suit.

Every distant mountain is a real place

• No Man’s Sky doesn’t only generate the environment immediately around you. It also generates the whole planet at a lower level of detail, so every distant object on the horizon is a real place that you can go to.

Planets have days and nights

• Fly down to the night side of a planet, and you’ll find the land in darkness. Different creatures will be awake while daytime creatures sleep.

Things about ships




It’s worth upgrading your ship

• Ships offer varying capacity for being upgraded, whether speed, maneuverability, jump drive range, or weapon power.

You can only have one ship at a time

• Choose a ship that suits what you want to do, whether trading (large cargo capacity), fighting (good speed and weapons) or exploring (a long jump drive distance). Want to do something new? You can always get a new one.

You’ll shop for new ships

• Space stations sell a rolling stock of ships. If you see one you want, you’ll need to grab it before new stock comes in.

You won’t be left without a ship

• If you die and have no money, a basic ship is always available for free. It won’t have a hyperdrive, but you’ll be able to fly to planets again to rebuild.

You need fuel

• You can fly for as long as you like in a star system, but to make jumps between systems you’ll need hyperdrive fuel, which you can buy from space stations or mine from planet surfaces.

Things about combat




You can get a wanted level

• Upsetting the balance of planets by mining them too heavily or killing creatures will see you being hunted down by the Sentinels, and attacking craft in space will attract the attention of the police. The more you do, the stronger they will retaliate.

The Sentinels aren’t everywhere

• Not every planet is policed, making these lawless playgrounds valuable sources of resources.

Space is not quiet

• Factions constantly vie for territory across the entire universe. Choose to help one faction and it may reward you. Attack another and it’ll remember. But you can also try to avoid conflict completely.

You can side with factions

• If you’re friendly enough with a faction, it can provide you with support that might protect you as you face its rivals.

Your multitool is an adaptable weapon

• Multitools have a basic firing mode, but some come with different, more powerful attacks, or you might find technologies to upgrade them.

Death isn’t the end

• But it’s a problem. If you die on a planet, you’ll find yourself revived back at your ship having lost what you hadn’t stowed and discoveries you hadn’t uploaded. If you die in space, you find yourself revived at the nearest space station, without your ship, items and discoveries.

Things about creatures




Planets are populated by unique creatures

• Creatures are procedurally generated, with wildly varying shapes, sizes, colorations, and behaviours. You will discover countless new species on your journey.

Animal calls are procedurally generated

• We’ve created special software that models throats, allowing animal calls to be defined by the shape and sizes of their bodies. Every planet’s soundscape is unique.

Animals may attack you

• But think twice about retaliating. If Sentinels see you kill a creature they’ll attack you. It’s often best to try to scare creatures or run away, and preserve the natural balance of the planet.

Animals follow daily routines

• They will go down to bodies of water to drink and sleep at night, while others will only come out at dark.

Some animals hunt others

• You’ll see food chains in action, with species being predated by others. You might find that you’re far from being at the top of the chain.

Things about the economy




Units are the universe’s currency

• You’ll earn Units for many things: selling resources at trading posts, shooting down pirates, uploading discoveries to the Atlas.

Market prices for resources vary

• You might find lucrative trade routes, mining in one system and selling in another. It might be worth investing in a ship with lots of cargo space to take full advantage.

Space is busy with trade convoys

• Freighters, led by capital ships, steadily travel along trade routes, sending ships down to trading posts as they go. You can choose to attack them and steal their resources, but you’ll find them heavily defended, and pirates might have the same idea…

Resources aren’t just for trading

• You’ll need them to craft technologies into upgrades. The rarest resources can only be found in certain types of system.

Efficient mining requires certain upgrades

• Your multitool can always destroy resource crystals, but you’ll need to upgrade it to mine resources held in harder rock. Perhaps there are technologies that will provide greater yields…

Things about the game




It has amazing music

• 65daysofstatic are Sean’s favorite band, and they’re making No Man’s Sky’s soundtrack album. We are incredibly excited about this.

We held a concert at PlayStation Experience

• 65daysofstatic came to Las Vegas with us and played a concert. It was incredible. Watch it here.

The music will be procedural

• 65daysofstatic’s soundtrack will be used to generate procedural music that’s influenced by where you are and what you’re doing. Full songs will play at specific points, but we’ll leave it to you to discover when and why…

No Man’s Sky was inspired by classic sci-fi

• Especially those amazing, vibrant book covers, which presented a vision of a future that wasn’t grim and in which technology and exploration were points of hope.

Four people built what we showed for the announcement

• Since then, the No Man’s Sky team has grown, but only a little, to 13 people. We like it real small.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2015/08/03/35-amazing-things-about-no-mans-sky/

 

[milsiming]

I dreamed of playing a game like this, too bad my dream will materialize in to consolised garbage.
This game would be so much better if it was PC only, it would have allowed for a little bit complexity and simulation elements much needed for it's genre. Thanks to PS4 everything will be way to simplistic and, because of it, the exploration of the universe will lose it's novelty.

I hope they stick to "Few planets will be dense with plant life and animals", either wise it would be fucking stupid, life should be a rarity. Although that's what I think the majority of console players wants, life on every planet and their fucking moon. I really doubt they will stick with this.

 

[Makabb]

Not much new info but in the background you can hear the soundtrack. The 2nd piece is awesome, reminds me of blade runner with the synthetizers.

 

[Makabb]

This is a good video, their generator is NOT random, there are set of rules for everything.For example the closer planets to the sun will be hotter and have according atmosphere etc.

 

[jcd]

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[Makabb]

Watch the video, he said that nothing is random, they have a set of algorithms for everything and quoting

in our game almost everything looks like it would be built by hand

 

[jcd]

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[vonAchdorf]

Yes, but it's the same as in any other procedural algorithm that uses "seeds" – the same seed leads to the same results. Like in Minecraft, where the world in generated randomly but of course identically if you use the same seed, and like with NMS, it's generated on-demand if you visit a chunk.

In RPGs it's like the step from Arena to Daggerfall. In Arena, everyone played in his own, random world, while in Daggerfall, they settled for one seed so the world was identical for everyone, even though, the whole map certainly wasn't stored on the disk.

Computers are deterministic.

 

[Makabb]

If there's procedurally generated content, it's generated randomly. There's no other way to do it.

'We say it's not random, because random to me is chaotic mess potentialy, but procedural is creating mathematical formulas and they create a result, and the result is generated on the fly by the computer and the result is correct, it almost looks as it would be built by hand.'

'We don't have random planets because they would look terrible, instead we have algorithms that decide the outcome'