No Man's Sky

[jcd]

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[Makabb]

So in other words, exactly what every single game with procedurally generated content has been doing since the 1970s.

Ok show me a game like NMS since the 70's where you can fly in space and land on planets everything in real-time.

 

[vonAchdorf]

Ok show me a game like NMS since the 70's where you can fly in space and land on planets everything in real-time.

I can walk countless hours in Arena with fields, villages, lairs generated on the fly

 

[Makabb]

I can walk countless hours in Arena with fields, villages, lairs generated on the fly

Can you fly into space in Arena and do you have 18 quintillion planets that are the size of real planets and are generated on the fly ?


Also Arena has random generation and not procedural.

 

[jcd]

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[vonAchdorf]

Can you fly into space in Arena and do you have 18 quintillion planets that are the size of real planets and are generated on the fly ?

Elite did practically the same, in a much smaller scale of course. You put a seed into an algorithm and it predictably / deterministically produces the same result every time.

Their code is of course more advanced and more detailed in its results, but it's the same principle. While Elite only generated a description, NMS creates a 3D rendition of a planet.

 

[Makabb]

http://store.steampowered.com/app/259620/

This great game features procedural generation of everything. You can go anywhere you want, as far as the eye can see, all generated on the fly. I predict No Man's Fraud will be as engaging and interesting as this game.

You already posted this game, and no, it's not the same.

 

[jcd]

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[Makabb]

I already have proven this and the superiority of NMS over any other game in history is apparent, but to understand this one needs to have Neanderthal DNA running through his body, i will not be repeating myself for the xxx'th time.



also quote from the game you posted

All areas, buildings, items, quests and characters are randomly generated.

Enough proof that this game is not the same? see the word 'randomly' and not 'procedural' ?

NMS's procedural generation is a whole different ball game compared to even elite.

If that is not enough for you NMS is probably the first game in history to have both audio and game proceduraly made.

 

[jcd]

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[Makabb]

There are no con men, this is a small indie team. It's not EA. Put down the meds jcd, they do you no good no more, go outside, take a fresh breath, eat a healthy breakfast consisting of eggs and bacon. That protein rush will do you good in the morning.

 

[vonAchdorf]

Enough proof that this game is not the same? see the word 'randomly' and not 'procedural' ?

Time to look up some theory about randomness / procedural generation.

(The developers got their description wrong btw. all their stuff is of course generated "procedurally".)

The algorithms of NMS are just much more detailed in what they do and if they manage to pull it of that their creations look "hand-crafted" it's a big deal.

Their problem is that the game is probably about as engaging as running straight ahead in Arena, killing random monsters along the way.

 

[jcd]

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[Makabb]

I can wait.

Ok so you have to wait untill the game is out.

 

[vonAchdorf]

Procedural generated games need another layer to make them interesting. In Minecraft you could influence the world, create stuff. You can do that in NMS as well, but I think to a much smaller extent. Extracting resources from planets to sell them for space ship gasoline to visit another planet doesn't sound too interesting.

To me it looks like everything will depend how fun the emergent gameplay is. If you happen to be in a sector with interesting power blocks, resource competition and so on, it might be fun.

 

[Makabb]

You can do that in NMS as well, but I think to a much smaller extent.

Yep, it's like they don't want to show the good parts.

 

[jcd]

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[vonAchdorf]

Yep, it's like they don't want to show the good parts.

Like I added above, I think it could be fun if there's enough emergent gameplay to rationalize the resource gathering, ship upgrading. IF there's not, it's the same as the clicker games on Steam, you click with no purpose but to see higher numbers, the gameplay stays exactly the same.

But if there are factions in a system and you can influence the outcome of their wars for example, that could be fun, at least if they manage to give them an interesting (procedurally generated) personality, like fanatical treehuggers with a penchant for big guns versus an speciesist empire of cat people who just love industry.

 

[Makabb]

IF there's not, it's the same as the clicker games on Steam

Then what's the point of Minecraft? It's even worse than a clicker game, because you don't see higher numbers.

 

[Burning Bridges]

Makabb will you do a LP once the game is out? I want to see your reaction when you play the game.

 

[Burning Bridges]

Also make it known if you still pirate all your games or if you intend to buy it.

 

[Burning Bridges]

Time to look up some theory about randomness / procedural generation.

(The developers got their description wrong btw. all their stuff is of course generated "procedurally".)

The algorithms of NMS are just much more detailed in what they do and if they manage to pull it of that their creations look "hand-crafted" it's a big deal.

Their problem is that the game is probably about as engaging as running straight ahead in Arena, killing random monsters along the way.

Algorithms my ass. Everything they have is parametrized objects. Everyone can see it in the screenshots, their models are: dinosaur, goat, shark, tree1, tree2 etc. They add variation by changing parameters but it still remains the same models. Everyone with an IQ over 75 will quickly find it boring as shit.

 

[vonAchdorf]

Algorithms my ass. Everything they have is parametrized objects. Everyone can see it in the screenshots, their models are: dinosaur, goat, shark, tree1, tree2 etc. They add variation by changing parameters but it still remains the same models. Everyone with an IQ over 75 will quickly find it boring as shit.

That's one problem of the game, nothing looks really alien. The spaceships and the buildings are all "human". If they had real algorithms, which would also influence the shapes and forms the game would quickly become "weird" as in not appealing because we generally look for something recognizable.

 

[Makabb]

That's one problem of the game, nothing looks really alien. The spaceships and the buildings are all "human". If they had real algorithms, which would also influence the shapes and forms the game would quickly become "weird" as in not appealing because we generally look for something recognizable.

Actualy it will become weird as you move closer towards center of the galaxy, so it means they have real algorithms.

 

[jcd]

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