No Man's Sky

[jcd]

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[Burning Bridges]

In the demo with the Sony CEO you can see that their starfield is actually moving. It's no big deal, every star is just a point and you get realistic looking starfields with just a few different sizes.

 

[jcd]

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[Makabb]

Because in a game like Skyrim the sky is a just a texture, compared to that, you can say their sky is the real thing.
That's what he meant by other games being 'fake'

 

[adrix89]

Because in a game like Skyrim the sky is a just a texture, compared to that, you can say their sky is the real thing.
That's what he meant by other games being 'fake'

Spoiler

Every game is fake. They are just pixels on the screen.

 

[Makabb]

Yes but a game like euro truck simulator is a more realistic driving game than 90's wacky wheels.

 

[adrix89]

Yes but a game like euro truck simulator is a more realistic driving game than 90's wacky wheels.

And No Man's Sky is going to be a boredom simulator.

You know why? Because I already played it.
It was called Space Pirates And Zombies and once I have been into a few systems it was going to be the same thing with a new coat of paint. You also had to go to the center of the galaxy. At least that game had zombies.

I doubt its going to have more biomes then minecraft.
If the creatures ever had any meaningful procedural evolution you would be sure it would be Marketed as the Second Coming of Spore.
Space battles and factions? If it had any meaningful mission design you would be sure it would be Marketed as the Second Coming of Freelancer.
Trade? Is there even trade in this game? I have not heard of it? Its not even on the level of Elite and that game is Ancient.

 

[jcd]

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[Burning Bridges]

I guess that's what happens when you put morons in charge of game development, they make games that morons want to play.

 

[Alienman]

Space Pirates And Zombies is/was fun

 

[Breakfast 4 Dinner]

This is kind of bittersweet. Good points being made about the game in this thread, but these points are removing the rose-tinted veil I had when I first discovered this game. I still do, to some degree. Not gonna lie. If some random scrub plops a concept in your hands and says "sci-fi open world exploration; be who you wanna be Barbie girl", you're gonna start trying to see what the dude is about. I'm still somewhat on rose-tint mode since the videos still show off what the creator says the game will be. However, now that I'm reading this thread, I remind myself of Aliens: Colonial Marines, and how abysmal the final product was (to the point where you can find 'fan'-made mods on YouTube). Or Watch Dogs. Though the former is a MUCH better example of quality deflation than the latter. I wonder why developers do this. Make a game look fresh as hell during E3/PAX, and release a poo-tier final product.

 

[Gord]

I wonder why developers do this. Make a game look fresh as hell during E3/PAX, and release a poo-tier final product.

I think it's relatively easy to produce a short sequence that looks great and offers fun (looking) gameplay, but keeping the same quality over an entire game (or large parts of it), while making it run on hardware ranging from supercomputers down to toasters is a much bigger challenge.

Btw., I've got no idea about NMS, since I've actually managed to completely overlook it until a few days ago.

 

[jcd]

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[Breakfast 4 Dinner]

I think it's relatively easy to produce a short sequence that looks great and offers fun (looking) gameplay, but keeping the same quality over an entire game (or large parts of it), while making it run on hardware ranging from supercomputers down to toasters is a much bigger challenge.

Btw., I've got no idea about NMS, since I've actually managed to completely overlook it until a few days ago.

I hear you, however, some examples are too obvious to really warrant that line. As a kid, what was advertised was, more or less, what we ended up with. This goes far beyond downgrades or the alpha/beta argument ("The game is in alpha so chill"). I don't get crazy over games, but when you get a spot at E3 and show us the future, we expect our money to go to THAT. What we see there. It's not really a first-world-whiny argument. More of a by-gamers-for-gamers one.

With time, you will find that you were mistaken about a great many things.
Let the Codex flow through you and it will teach you that everything is shit.

That seems a bit nihilist, don't you think?

 

[agentorange]

your enjoyment of video games is a momentary lapse of reason

 

[Breakfast 4 Dinner]

This is the time Jaesun comes into this thread and quotes your join date

...Um, I'm not following.

 

[Gord]

I hear you, however, some examples are too obvious to really warrant that line. As a kid, what was advertised was, more or less, what we ended up with. This goes far beyond downgrades or the alpha/beta argument ("The game is in alpha so chill"). I don't get crazy over games, but when you get a spot at E3 and show us the future, we expect our money to go to THAT. What we see there. It's not really a first-world-whiny argument. More of a by-gamers-for-gamers one.

Not sure, honestly. I remember similar cases happening at least back in the early 90s.
There were definitely hyped games that ended up being trash then.
And e.g. even studios like Westwood liked to put heavily photoshopped screenshots in their ads/previews that looked vastly better than the actual game.
Not that it isn't more common today - gaming journalism and the industry are entangled much stronger and there's more money being put into development and especially PR.

Of course maybe you are just much older than me. I didn't follow gaming scene before the early 90s, so if the 80s were honesty incarnate I probably wouldn't know.

 

[Makabb]

Some more tidbits


Sean Murray works 20 hours a day on this:

Just stepped away from my screen after 20 hours full steam.

What day is it?
Where am I?
Who is the president?

“When I go out in nature, I don’t even see terrain anymore,” the programmer laughs. “All I see are mathematical functions and graphs. I’ll pick up a stone and begin thinking about the shape of it. What formula could have given you that?”

http://www.australianetworknews.com...s-straight-will-team-meet-june-2016-deadline/


No one will be able to finish this game

Murray added that gamers will not be able to finish the game, not because of its difficulty, but because of the game's sheer size. He estimates that most gamers would probably quit the game before completing at least one percent of it.

"No Man's Sky" is so massive that it has spawned a new genre for itself called open-universe.

"No Man's Sky" was originally billed as an indie game. However, recent reports claim that the game will pick a hefty price tag of around $60 and will be listed as a mainstream AAA title. The game's official distributor, Sony, is yet to confirm these rumors.

http://www.chinatopix.com/articles/...y-developers-claim-game-massive-completed.htm

the programmers have indeed managed to create “the laws of nature for an entire cosmos”. They have worked out the laws in 600,000 lines.

 

[jcd]

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[Makabb]

Elite: Dangerous. Millions of stars, billions of planets, and yet there is NOTHING interesting to do with them, no reason to go anywhere else than probably 20-30 star systems. It will be the same with this crap

But Elite is economics game, while NMS is mainly exploration game and they created the game with exploration in mind, meaning visitng new planets should be rewarding and encouranged. Not so much in Elite.




Think on the bright side, when you buy this game, you can play it till your death and you will still not finish it, price per content i doubt you can get any better.

 

[jcd]

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[Makabb]

You can't make exploration of randomly generated planets interesting. This will always be inferior to handmade content and environments

Sean Murray said their algorithms are so good that it will make planets look like they would've been handcrafted.

I bet it was a lot of tedious work but conceptually this is all extremely simple

So yet i ask again, why no ever done a game like this? And no, elite does not count because it's much smaller in scope.

 

[adrix89]

Sean Murray said their algorithms are so good that it will make planets look like they would've been handcrafted.

It doesn't matter how good they are if they are meaningless. Pretty maps does not make it gameplay.
MMORPGs can have some absolutely beautiful handcrafted maps that are boring and empty.
In fact most of the locations collapse into auchan,banks,housing,quests and the dungeon raids.
Everything else might as well not exist.

 

[jcd]

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[NotAGolfer]

Sean Murray
Now that Peter Molyneux seems to have learned his lesson to stfu about his projects this guy shows up.
He's like a Molyneux 2.0, only this time without an impressive résumé and just lots of hot air instead. So who the fuck cares about this shit?