Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity [BETA RELEASED, GO TO THE NEW THREAD]

[coffeetable]

When demo comes out, the game will be content locked. Your feedback will be only usefull for bug-hunting, and numbers tweaking. This game has actual designers who know what they're doing and won't be an incoherent bland mess like Wasteland 2 was

fix'd

haven't been following wl2's dev. inXile turned out to be garbagemen after all?

 

[Infinitron]

When demo comes out, the game will be content locked. Your feedback will be only usefull for bug-hunting, and numbers tweaking. This game has actual designers who know what they're doing and won't be an incoherent bland mess like Wasteland 2 was

fix'd

haven't been following wl2's dev. inXile turned out to be garbagemen after all?

You're not going to get a straight answer to this question on this forum. Just check out some gameplay videos or our LPs and decide for yourself.

Latest Fargo gameplay presentation: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...tation-intro-movie-la-gameplay-footage.91876/
Old LP: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/lets-beta-test-wasteland-2.88467/
New LP: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/lets-play-wasteland-2-beta.92459/

 

[Roguey]

The best part of the new previews are the game journalists who talk about how much better it is compared to Wasteland 2. Still waiting for that hack Grayson to eat his words, but he probably won't until they've both been released.

 

[Infinitron]

The best part of the new previews are the game journalists who talk about how much better it is compared to Wasteland 2. Still waiting for that hack Grayson to eat his words, but he probably won't until they've both been released.

Grayson saw a pre-alpha build of the game back in December. He really shouldn't have been comparing them at all - it wasn't fair.

And what game journalists have said that other than that one Italian site?

 

[Roguey]

And what game journalists have said that other than that one Italian site?

http://www.pcgames.de/Pillars-of-Et...rty-Rollenspiel-mit-Old-school-Flair-1125801/

At first glance the interface looks efficient and thoughtful. Especially in comparison to the in-early-access status Wasteland 2 , another popular Kickstarter RPG old school, the Obsidian experience makes a positive impression.

 

[Infinitron]

And what game journalists have said that other than that one Italian site?

http://www.pcgames.de/Pillars-of-Et...rty-Rollenspiel-mit-Old-school-Flair-1125801/

At first glance the interface looks efficient and thoughtful. Especially in comparison to the in-early-access status Wasteland 2 , another popular Kickstarter RPG old school, the Obsidian experience makes a positive impression.

Not surprised that it's European sites in both cases. US gaming journalists are more wary of making direct comparisons between games like that, for various reasons.

They're just talking about the UI in that one, though.

 

[Zeriel]

And what game journalists have said that other than that one Italian site?

http://www.pcgames.de/Pillars-of-Et...rty-Rollenspiel-mit-Old-school-Flair-1125801/

At first glance the interface looks efficient and thoughtful. Especially in comparison to the in-early-access status Wasteland 2 , another popular Kickstarter RPG old school, the Obsidian experience makes a positive impression.

Not surprised that it's European sites in both cases. US gaming journalists are more wary of making direct comparisons between games like that, for various reasons.

They're just talking about the UI in that one, though.

 

[Roguey]

Not surprised that it's European sites in both cases. US gaming journalists are more wary of making direct comparisons between games like that, for various reasons.

They're just talking about the UI in that one, though.

Oh well, I didn't paste the translated next few sentences for reasons I don't remember now.

Here is a studio Baldur's Gate, Planescape has: Torment & Co. looked closely and the correct conclusions drawn. The slightly awkward from today's perspective handling this RPG heavyweights has experienced in the spiritual successor Pillars of Eternity a clever detoxification without peeling of the decisive complexity and the tactical depth of the fighting even one iota. Bravo!

Unlike Wasteland 2.

 

[Sensuki]

While I would never accuse any games "journalist" of committing actual journalism, the European sites actually bothered to do a proper write up as opposed to a short 3/4 page preview that would take <30 minutes to whip up. There were only a handful of English ones that did anything worth reading and many seem to have botched the small details.

 

[Zeriel]

While I would never accuse any games "journalist" of committing actual journalism, the European sites actually bothered to do a proper write up as opposed to a short 3/4 page preview that would take <30 minutes to whip up. There were only a handful of English ones that did anything worth reading and many seem to have botched the small details.

Can't expect dirty casuals to be excited writing about stuff they don't actually play. Most games journalists like most gamers are not into games like Pillars of Eternity, so there you go. Europe (especially eastern europe) has a special place in my heart for still having actual gamers involved. I have seen russian Twitch streams of Heroes of Might and Magic 3 with nearly a thousand viewers. That shit is bananas.

 

[Sensuki]

Actually a fair majority of the journalists who reported on PE had played the IE games back in the day and seemed quite excited by the game, for whatever that is worth now.

Even Josh commented on this at E3, he said there were two distinct crowds of press - Press who were backers and/or played the IE games before and Press who were like sooo .... what is the point of this in 2014?

One of the Gamespot journalists actually got into one of the presentations but I think they said they left after seeing one optional quest revolving around killing 8 spiders. My guess is that they weren't liking what they were seeing and that was just the linchpin - because you have quests like that in most RPG games.

I think there may have even been more press there that were backers/IE fans than those that weren't and that is one of the concerns for Obsidian as they want to try and sell the game to those that aren't.

 

[Roguey]

One of the Gamespot journalists actually got into one of the presentations but I think they said they left after seeing one optional quest revolving around killing 8 spiders. My guess is that they weren't liking what they were seeing and that was just the linchpin - because you have quests like that in most RPG games.

That guy was talking about The Witcher 2. He didn't visit Obsidian at E3, he just saw articles about PoE, saw the words "wizard" "aoe" and "alignment" and made a snide remark.

 

[Arkeus]

Not surprised that it's European sites in both cases. US gaming journalists are more wary of making direct comparisons between games like that, for various reasons.

They're just talking about the UI in that one, though.

Grayson is European?

Frankly, to me it looks like it's more "longer articles by actual gamers tend to have more opinions", and less "US journalist knows not to make comparisons".

E.G, the decisive factors are that they actually seemed like they cared about games, not that Grayson/Eurogamer/Italianpaper were from such and such countires.

 

[Infinitron]

Grayson is European?

Well, uh, he is writing for a British site. But RPS consider themselves "mavericks who break the rules" so y'know.

Generally speaking, directly comparing two games by two different companies in a preview or review can be a problem because you open yourself up to accusations of bias. So they typically save that stuff for end-of-year GOTY awards instead. Also, I guess some people would say it's more informative to explain why a game is good or bad, instead of just saying that another game is worse or better. I mean, it's a Pillars of Eternity preview, so why even bring up Wasteland 2? Etc.

 

[Brzęczyszczykiewicz]

American and British gaming journalists lately are more interested in if how sexist is game than anything else.

 

[Roguey]

Grayson's probably been blacklisted by Bioware after he talked about how lacking their NPCs were compared to Witcher 3's. That's definitely something Bethesda would do, and why comparisons are generally not done.

 

[Sensuki]

He's from San Francisco.

 

[Brzęczyszczykiewicz]

Grayson's probably been blacklisted by Bioware after he talked about how lacking their NPCs were compared to Witcher 3's. That's definitely something Bethesda would do, and why comparisons are generally not done.

Is our prestigious magazine blacklisted by anybody?

 

[Roguey]

Is our prestigious magazine blacklisted by anybody?

Yes, the Oblivion review got the Codex blacklisted. NMA was blacklisted during the lead-up to Fallout 3.

 

[Infinitron]

I doubt the Codex could ever get an interview with anybody at Bioware, either. (though I'm not aware of us ever actually trying to do that in the past 5 years)

 

[Roguey]

I doubt the Codex could ever get an interview with anybody at Bioware, either. (though I'm not aware of us ever actually trying to do that in the past 5 years)

https://twitter.com/RayMuzyka/status/252119841807417344

 

[coffeetable]

I doubt the Codex could ever get an interview with anybody at Bioware, either. (though I'm not aware of us ever actually trying to do that in the past 5 years)

which is understandable when the first question would be "Just how bad do you feel about ruining an entire genre?"

 

[Infinitron]

I doubt the Codex could ever get an interview with anybody at Bioware, either. (though I'm not aware of us ever actually trying to do that in the past 5 years)

which is understandable when the first question would be "Just how bad do you feel about ruining an entire genre?"

A blast from the past: http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=123

Those were the days when Vault Dweller strove for a veneer of respectability. (today we've substituted that with cold, hard cash directed at Kickstarters )

 

[Roguey]

Mass Effect interview with Casey Hudson from 2007: http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=141
...veneer of respectability.

Whether joking or overlooking, that's a parody interview.

 

[Ninjerk]

I had never read those and almost threw up when Hudson started talking about making the player feel like someone really special.