Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity [BETA RELEASED, GO TO THE NEW THREAD]

[Dexter]

Josh Sawyer certainly is.

I mean in their games. I don't recall many instances where you were beaten in the head with politics, not in the way the Witcher did, or the way Biowhore tried to do with their whole homo-faggot shtick (that went down well, did it). Certain nods to political correctness are so ingrained now (like putting women in typical "masculine" roles) that you can just expect them as a matter of course, that doesn't mean one is trying to be overtly political or ideological.

Is including homosexual companions an intrusive political commentary?

Every single person you meet in any game could be gay as long as not expressively stated otherwise, your entire party in Icewind Dale could be a band of merry gays killing gay orcs and gay undead soldiers. It's when you make a big deal out of it e.g. the character goes around the world going "Look at me, I love sexing up other people's behinds" and there's character choices and plotlines based on that driving the point in with a sledgehammer when you bring politics into it, which Biowhore did as he said, repeatedly and over and over.

Regarding Sawyer, someone linked this over on the Obsidian forums at some point: http://archive.foolz.us/v/thread/156947574/

And comparing this game to Fallout, Alpha Brotocol or even Dungeon Siege doesn't exactly take, they had publisher influence on that one allowing things like this to exist:

KickStarter gives Mr "gamer misogyny!!!" carte blanche.

 

[asper]

Josh Sawyer certainly is.

I mean in their games. I don't recall many instances where you were beaten in the head with politics, not in the way the Witcher did, or the way Biowhore tried to do with their whole homo-faggot shtick (that went down well, did it). Certain nods to political correctness are so ingrained now (like putting women in typical "masculine" roles) that you can just expect them as a matter of course, that doesn't mean one is trying to be overtly political or ideological.

Is including homosexual companions an intrusive political commentary?

Obviously. What else?

Acknowledgment of reality?

By your argument, why not also include pedophile companions as well? Or companions suffering from cerebral palsy? Hey, its reality.

If one in ten people worldwide would be a paedophile or have cerebral palsy then yes, they should be included.

 

[Lyric Suite]

I'm not sure we should be enlightening Lyric Suite about the nature of Obsidian's politics. Let him remain blissfully ignorant.

Contrary to popular belief, i don't mind opposing political views, within a reasonable level. What i do mind is stupidity, all the more when its laden with black and white political condescension.

And speaking of Obsidian in particular, i just don't get the same juvenile vibe from them that i do with Bioshit or any other developer. Even if they were to indulge in heavy political lopsidedness, i still trust them not to be so petty about it.

 

[Lyric Suite]

If one in ten people worldwide would be a paedophile or have cerebral palsy then yes, they should be included.

Faggots are not one in ten people, either.

Shit argument nonetheless. If pedophiles were one in two people, they still should not be included.

 

[suejak]

I dunno, if pedophiles were one in two people, that's a big market...

 

[asper]

Rapists and mass murderers are in games, so I don't see what excludes paedophiles exactly. Or do you have a rule in your strange head that games shouldn't include negative aspects of reality? It's funny seeing you deride "black and white political condescension", while you yourself are a proud proponent of this, with all of your unverifiable, baseless, grounded in fantasy, ridiculous opinions, which you never hesitate to bluntly state as heavenly truth...

 

[Kane]

Josh Sawyer certainly is.

I mean in their games. I don't recall many instances where you were beaten in the head with politics, not in the way the Witcher did, or the way Biowhore tried to do with their whole homo-faggot shtick (that went down well, did it). Certain nods to political correctness are so ingrained now (like putting women in typical "masculine" roles) that you can just expect them as a matter of course, that doesn't mean one is trying to be overtly political or ideological.

Is including homosexual companions an intrusive political commentary?

Every single person you meet in any game could be gay as long as not expressively stated otherwise, your entire party in Icewind Dale could be a band of merry gays killing gay orcs and gay undead soldiers. It's when you make a big deal out of it e.g. the character goes around the world going "Look at me, I love sexing up other people's behinds" and there's character choices and plotlines based on that driving the point in with a sledgehammer when you bring politics into it, which Biowhore did as he said, repeatedly and over and over.

Regarding Sawyer, someone linked this over on the Obsidian forums at some point: http://archive.foolz.us/v/thread/156947574/

And comparing this game to Fallout, Alpha Brotocol or even Dungeon Siege doesn't exactly take, they had publisher influence on that one allowing things like this to exist:

KickStarter gives Mr "gamer misogyny!!!" carte blanche.

Boobs.
What's the name of the game? I want to aquire it.

 

[Utgard-Loki]

No, i didn't play New Vegas. That's besides the point though, because what we are talking about here is the developer's own political preference seeping into the game, not whether the game was "political", in a general sense.

it actually was pretty one sided and sometimes bordered on propaganda. the NCR is for the most part the "best" faction to side with. they have the most quests, rewards and generally are pictured as the "good guys". they try to downplay them a bit by showing a little bit of corruption and hinting at incompetence and other questionable things like borderline genocide(khans), but if you compare that to the way the legion is portrayed (bunch of slaver rapists that crucify people for the most trivial crap) i can't help but feel that very special tingling in my "this is bullshit"-sensing tissue in my brain. josh said that this was because they didn't have enough time to flesh out the legion, but little things like ncr elite units that swarm with women, the genocide being downplayed to a communication fuck up and a bunch of other crap actually makes me doubt the planned content involved more than just adding a bunch of "playername, enslave this town or the glory of the legion" type quests and a few more slaver NPCs.

hell, the first time you meet legion npcs, they just finished crucify- and enslaving an entire town, and then this foxhat asshole shows up and explains to you how awesome it is purifying things with nails and fire.

all in all it may not be on the level that is is detracting from the game, but the modern liberal retardation is there.

 

[Jasede]

You're barking up the wrong tree; purifying things with nails and fire is awesome.

 

[suejak]

I wonder if Tim Cain is gonna make this game all gay too...

Just because he's gay, he feels like he has to convert us or some shit.

 

[Dexter]

Boobs.
What's the name of the game? I want to aquire it.

It's Dungeon Siege III, by Obsidian, their last game xD

It's not very good though, kind of a bland ARPG with extreme consolitis and camera issues, could only get through like 7 hours on it in CoOp and didn't continue after that

Imo their worst game so far, nothing to do with boobs though, but with game design, I don't think they can into ARPGs.

 

[Cosmo]

I wonder if Tim Cain is gonna make this game all gay too...

Just because he's gay, he feels like he has to convert us or some shit.

Cain has never been particularly vocal about this.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Or do you have a rule in your strange head that games shouldn't include negative aspects of reality?

Yes, its called good taste.

A lot of weird shit happens in the world. But the fact it does happen doesn't give it any form of legitimacy in the slightest.

 

[IronicNeurotic]

Just saw this in the George Ziets thread

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/60...llion-stretch-goal/page__st__280#entry1235081

Don't confuse my passion for the success of this project for trolling. I want the best for P:E. I want Planescape Torment. I want Icewind Dale. I want Baldurs Gate.

NWN2 was not successful. It barely even launched, never mind on time. To say that it was a hit because it had expansions is a fallacy. I can name any number of movies and games that got undeserved sequels or expansions despite having a lackluster reception.

Again, not successful: LOTRO. You know what MMORPG's do when they start failing miserably? They go free to play where they slowly become forgotten and irrelevant. Do you want me to entertain you with some examples?

Speaking of not launching, anyone who does a moderate amount of digging can find why Ziets left Obsidian.

We might as well have Michael Bay direct the movie and Nickleback do the score if Ziets is joining the team. They're successful right? They must be great!

 

[suejak]

I wonder if Tim Cain is gonna make this game all gay too...

Just because he's gay, he feels like he has to convert us or some shit.

Cain has never been particularly vocal about this.

Nah, but he's put gayness in every one of his games.

 

[Lyric Suite]

I wonder if Tim Cain is gonna make this game all gay too...

Just because he's gay, he feels like he has to convert us or some shit.

I think Tim Cain, being the smart man that he is, probably feels like the Codex on this particular subject. That is, romances are just totally gay and should not be included in the first place.

 

[asper]

Or do you have a rule in your strange head that games shouldn't include negative aspects of reality?

Yes, its called good taste.

A lot of weird shit happens in the world. But the fact it does happen doesn't give it any form of legitimacy in the slightest.

Including something in a game does not immediately mean giving it "legitimacy", for fuck's sake. Only fairyland fantasies qualify then? Is that how you approach literature and other art as well? You are complaing about others including issues in games, but actually you are the one that sees games, and everything else, purely as moral or political statements.

 

[Captain Shrek]

PErhaps you should find out what a bet means.

I invite you to do the same with the word "insight".

o_O

 

[Infinitron]

Just saw this in the George Ziets thread

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/60...llion-stretch-goal/page__st__280#entry1235081

Don't confuse my passion for the success of this project for trolling. I want the best for P:E. I want Planescape Torment. I want Icewind Dale. I want Baldurs Gate.

NWN2 was not successful. It barely even launched, never mind on time. To say that it was a hit because it had expansions is a fallacy. I can name any number of movies and games that got undeserved sequels or expansions despite having a lackluster reception.

Again, not successful: LOTRO. You know what MMORPG's do when they start failing miserably? They go free to play where they slowly become forgotten and irrelevant. Do you want me to entertain you with some examples?

Speaking of not launching, anyone who does a moderate amount of digging can find why Ziets left Obsidian.

We might as well have Michael Bay direct the movie and Nickleback do the score if Ziets is joining the team. They're successful right? They must be great!

Notice how he contradicts himself, first saying Ziets is a failure because NWN2 was not successful (an unsuccessful game that got two expansion packs, lol) and then doubling back and saying that Ziets IS successful (as successful as Michael Bay, even!)

Obvious troll is obvious.

 

[LeStryfe79]

 

[Lyric Suite]

Including something in a game does not immediately mean giving it "legitimacy", for fuck's sake.

That's not what i said.

Why not include a companion that likes to eat feces and get pissed on? Hey, it happens in real life, so why not put it in the game?

 

[Infinitron]

Check out the guy's user profile: http://forums.obsidian.net/user/45925-cbutler/

He signed on in order to troll. Somebody with a grudge against Ziets?

 

[asper]

Including something in a game does not immediately mean giving it "legitimacy", for fuck's sake.

That's not what i said.

It is exactly what you said, and you are repeating it again in this post, and your next one. You think art should only contain and be about acceptable things.

Including something in a game does not immediately mean giving it "legitimacy", for fuck's sake.

That's not what i said.

Why not include a companion that likes to eat feces and get pissed on? Hey, it happens in real life, so why not put it in the game?

I imagine your answer is that he shouldn't be included because eating excrement is disgusting?

Do you really have no imagination? There are games in which such a companion would be very fitting, for example the surreal horrors made by Frictional, that at some points do invoke disgust.

 

[Lyric Suite]

You are complaing about others including issues in games, but actually you are the one that sees games, and everything else, purely as moral or political statements.

That's because art and morality are inseparable from one another.

 

[asper]

How can art be about what is good when you reject it portraying anything that is bad?