Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity [BETA RELEASED, GO TO THE NEW THREAD]

[Surf Solar]

When the topics themselves are handled in a mature manner (which I feel we proved with religion in the New Vegas DLC: Honest Hearts, for example)

Can anybody elucidate on this? I have never played New Vegas.

I guess with "mature" that quote means that in this DLC religious people weren't portrayed as brabbling retards blindly following some god or religion, they rather gave the player some concepts of thei beliefs without forcing it upon them, giving more food for thought than "lolo I like god xy worship him too or I keel u". I still didn't like this DLC at all.

 

[Stinger]

Religion is a core part of one of the characters in Honest Hearts, Joshua Graham. He's a very devout Christian (possibly Mormon but I'm not well versed in these things) and the player can talk to him about his faith and how it affects the way he views the world.

It's handled in a way that doesn't insult Christianity but at the same time the Courier can make their own choices about his beliefs and we aren't forced to agree with him either. So on on the whole it's neither insulting to Christians nor to Atheists and instead serves as a very interesting take on a character who has up until this point been very mysterious and intriguing. It's a shame such a character is wasted on an otherwise not very good campaign.

Along with that there are other themes going on with the tribals and their faith. The tribals believe in this Old Man (actually a survivor of the War who helped out their ancestors from a distance, you get to read his logs throughout the game and it's a very interesting story) and there is this theme running through where they start to equate their beliefs with Joshua Graham's e.g. Assuming the Old Man is the same as Graham's God. You get this unintended cultural imperialism and evangelism effect running through and it forms part of the campaign's theme about the loss of a tribe's culture as a result of intervention by the 'civilised man'. It culminates in a choice that should in theory be interesting but in practice one choice has blatantly better consequences.

So yeah, it's a pretty reasonable take on religion.

 

[Jasede]

If da Vinci said he'd paint a better painting than the Mona Lisa he's not "bashing" the Mona Lisa.

 

[Lyric Suite]

...Plato....

...Dante...

...Dickens...

...Austen...

...Dostoevsky...

Oh shit...someone's taken freshman Survey of Western Literature...

Ho shit...someone hasn't logged into the Codex for the past 6 years or so.

 

[Murk]

Elucidate on something? I'll elucidate on the difference between then and than.

Than is comparative, as in the case of someone liking apples more than oranges.

Then is temporal, as in the case of someone going home then showering.

There's yer gatdamn elucidation.

(Kidding, mostly, just found it funny... but then I know you're not a native English speaker... but then, neither am I, hehehe.)

 

[tuluse]

If da Vinci said he'd paint a better painting than the Mona Lisa he's not "bashing" the Mona Lisa.

Especially if he's trying to sell his new painting.

 

[Monad]

Actually, it wa svery clear. He said it would be greater than PST. HAHAHAHAH!

Not the first time he bashed the precious PST. I LVOE IT!!!

God you are such a moron.

 

[Jaesun]

God you are such a moron.

Volourn is royalty here. You sir are a newfag.

 

[bminorkey]

Volly is the Codex's black guardian angel, ain't no one tell you otherwise.

Deionarra is the last female LS would call a moronic whore.

There is a quote by Rumi which goes something along the lines of the sage being easily conquered by the woman, while the fool, or the brute, conquers her. I think this sums up the entire problem of "love" in a nutshell. Deionarra represents an "ideal" of femininity which is at the very center of the type of experience one feels while being in love, an experience which is essentially paradisaical in nature. But being corrupted creatures, human beings can only achieve an approximation of this ideal, and many men are so eager for this experience that they often elevate a particular woman to this transcendent ideal, even if she does not measure up as an individual and can easily be swept away by males of a more coarse and perhaps even evil temperament. The tragedy in the story of Deionarra is that she was the real deal, and by abusing her love the Practical Incarnation didn't simply commit an act of cruelty against her personally, but he also committed a sin of the gravest order by defiling one of the most sacred aspects of divinity. Does this seem right?

Any thoughts about this, Lyric suite? http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/10/the_story_of_narcissus.html

Your post kind of brought it to mind.

 

[bminorkey]

stuffs

I really like when a character's philosophy is bound in a kind of mysticism. It gives you a kind of mirror look into both the character and the system of beliefs he adheres to. Unless it turns into a cheesy skeptic/debunking sort of thing I guess.

 

[Volourn]

"God you are such a moron"

Youa re the kind of toolbag fanboy that makes my job so easy. Thank you.

 

[ironyuri]

Actually, it wa svery clear. He said it would be greater than PST. HAHAHAHAH!

Not the first time he bashed the precious PST. I LVOE IT!!!

God you are such a moron.

youa re dumb

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

This seems the best thread on the forum right now to say this in:

Fartington Jones.

Sorry, I've been drinking, lads. *hic*

 

[ironyuri]

This seems the best thread on the forum right now to say this in:

Fartington Jones.

Sorry, I've been drinking, lads. *hic*

You have just ruined this thread. Get out. Just go.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

You have just ruined this thread.

You're right. Please retardo thread.

 

[Sensuki]

very human journey towards a very specific goal much like the Odyssey.

Has not actually understood the Odyssey.

- Would you be so kind and enlighten me as to how I should be understanding the Odyssey?

Homer was a theologician before being a poet, same as Dante. To wit:

http://www.latrobe.edu.au/eyeoftheheart/assets/issue4/homer.pdf

Hey that's my University, what do you know.

 

[Derper]

Can someone give a quick summary of whats going on in this thread?

 

[bminorkey]

Can someone give a quick summary of whats going on in this thread?

We've transcended human understanding.

 

[HardDeck]

ITT: We learn that Torment is greater than life and death itself and transcends all ETERNITY's and Lyrics Suite is the real deal.

 

[Marquess Cornwallis]

We also learn, in a somewhat ironic twist, that Lyric Suite prefers Dante to Dickens - despite cultivating a distinctly Dickensian (circa The Pickwick Papers) persona on the Codex for years.

 

[suejak]

The RPG Codex: where it's ok to masturbate over the beauty of roleplaying game writing, but mention traditional literature and we'll mock you for three pages.

 

[evdk]

It's more like "start arguments about classical philosophy in a thread about an upcoming BG clone while being LS and we'll mock you for three pages". Well maybe just "be LS". Those are the perils of being a personality.

 

[DwarvenFood]

Never thought I'd say this, but I kind of miss VOTS derping up the thread, sure beats the stuff pseudophilosoraprot LS started to spawn here.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Volly is the Codex's black guardian angel, ain't no one tell you otherwise.

Deionarra is the last female LS would call a moronic whore.

There is a quote by Rumi which goes something along the lines of the sage being easily conquered by the woman, while the fool, or the brute, conquers her. I think this sums up the entire problem of "love" in a nutshell. Deionarra represents an "ideal" of femininity which is at the very center of the type of experience one feels while being in love, an experience which is essentially paradisaical in nature. But being corrupted creatures, human beings can only achieve an approximation of this ideal, and many men are so eager for this experience that they often elevate a particular woman to this transcendent ideal, even if she does not measure up as an individual and can easily be swept away by males of a more coarse and perhaps even evil temperament. The tragedy in the story of Deionarra is that she was the real deal, and by abusing her love the Practical Incarnation didn't simply commit an act of cruelty against her personally, but he also committed a sin of the gravest order by defiling one of the most sacred aspects of divinity. Does this seem right?

Any thoughts about this, Lyric suite? http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/10/the_story_of_narcissus.html

Your post kind of brought it to mind.

Narcissus obviously represents pride, the demon of the young, as Schuon said. "If he but fail to recognize himself, a long life he may have, beneath the sun". Seems like the guy is making something very complicated out of something relatively simple. "Hurr durr but that's just like you LS trololo" There, saved you the trouble.

 

[oscar]

"rpgs are too dumbed down. Why can't we have writing as good as you get in books?"

"LS talks like a fag and his shit's all retarded"