Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity [BETA RELEASED, GO TO THE NEW THREAD]

[Hormalakh]

Oh so you're saying that you're fine if they sell you Baldur's Gate with "cool graphics"? You want the exact same enemies, story, and challenges, just with glorious 3D and in a higher resolution? Because if that isn't what you want, game designers regardless of experience have to set aside TIME and MONEY to make an ENTIRELY NEW GAME.

The fact that you think brains need gardeners already speaks volumes about you. Don't make me publicly embarrass you again. Stop it with the inane comments.

 

[tuluse]

Graphics whoredex. Graphics whoredex never changes.

Yep. Asking for better graphics in a viable way is graphics whoring now.

You should have asked louder during the kickstarter because the majority of people commenting didn't care about graphics, then or now.

If you didn't contribute, then you're just mad because people like things you don't.

 

[tuluse]

M:sucks to be in the minority then M:

 

[Hormalakh]

Tell you what.

I would HAPPILY buy that.

So it's morons like you that cause BG:EE to exist. Don't come back here again. Go pay and play that.

 

[Lancehead]

Framerate and image quality are most important to me when it comes to graphics. I don't care much for fancy effects.

 

[Aeschylus]

Just look at the graphics damn it. They look dated and old from a LOT of indie games being made with LESS money. How is this okay? How is this "most creative stuff" that he is promising us?

1) I don't really give a fuck about graphics.
2) It's pre-alpha. Maybe not even that far along. There's a reason that under normal circumstances you'd *never* see screens from a game at this point in production.

I would trust Fargo were I a simple fanboi. I am not. I look at everything that people do with distrust and can't see why they act honestly when they are not constrained to do so. The only question is WHY DO YOU BELIEVE THEM??

Because I'm not a paranoid hyper-reactionist. I liked his pitch and his track record so I gave him some money. I don't give money to those who don't seem like they will be able to deliver. Simple enough, I don't see why it's such a big goddamn deal. If I get screwed it's my own fault, and I can deal with that. I'd rather toss a few buckazoids away in the hope of getting something great than wallow in the perpetual mediocrity of the games currently on offer.

Why is this retard allowed to post?

The irony, it is strong in this one.

 

[Hormalakh]

Why is this retard allowed to post?

People like you are why creativity flounders in the gaming industry. You don't want something fresh and interesting to engage that vestigial structure of yours you call a brain. You would be ecstatic if they kept shoveling you the same software every day just as long as it satisfies your visual cortex. Your opinion is as worthless as you because the rest of us can satisfy ourselves by replaying those old favorites without having to pay cash for a new visual update every so often. In fact, those who are interested in improving upon the graphics of the games of old, usually do so free of charge and distribute their works in the community.

When a company states that they are making a new game, I generally expect it to be more than a mod job of an old favorite.

 

[Hormalakh]

Keep thinking on it. Maybe I should draw you a picture so you can understand me, eh?

 

[Hormalakh]

Please do.

 

[Lord Andre]

Shrek, bro, when you say you don't like graphics, what game are you talking about ?

 

[Lord Andre]

Shrek, bro, when you say you don't like graphics, what game are you talking about ?

Are you talking about Project Eternity ? Because I only know of one screenshot, the one with the waterfall. Have there been more ?

 

[Roguey]

You think Bethesda and Bioware games are actually fun to play? Really?

I said "fun for them" but I do believe the Bioware games I have played are, for the most part, more fun to play than most of Obsidian's output (exceptions being New Vegas and DS3). They're also saddled with obnoxious writing.

 

[Roguey]

Why are they obnoxious in terms of writing?

The dialogue and characters have always rubbed me the wrong way and they feel like stories being written by people who consume nothing but pop culture.

Also, are you happy with the gameplay of let's say DA:O or DA2. This is NOT a trick question. So please take some pains.

I thought they were both decent enough. I expect much better from Josh Sawyer of course and he does too.

 

[Infinitron]

Wait, which ones are saddled with pop culture? Bioware's or Obsidian's?

 

[tuluse]

DA:O does 4 person combat better than NWN2 does.

ME is better popamole than AP.

Roguey has a point.

 

[Arkeus]

DA:O does 4 person combat better than NWN2 does.

DA:O has 4 person combats where only one character class truly matters (Mage) and is more riddled with stupid than NWN2 (potions!).

It doesn't, however, have 20 000 enemies in every room.

 

[Dorateen]

DA:O does 4 person combat better than NWN2 does.

Bah! NWN2 should be played with a 6 person party (modded, of course, especially with the tools of SoZ) like D&D is meant to be played.

 

[Roguey]

That is a valid point. If. You can tell me why Pop culture is bad. Because it is Not Hegelian enough for you?

Regurgitating pop culture tends to result in derivative works. There's a "making a photocopy of a photocopy" metaphor here, the image degrades.

Infinitron, Bioware duh.

 

[Tigranes]

Why are they obnoxious in terms of writing?

The dialogue and characters have always rubbed me the wrong way and they feel like stories being written by people who consume nothing but pop culture.

That is a valid point. If. You can tell me why Pop culture is bad. Because it is Not Hegelian enough for you?

I thought the capitalised Not was a marvellous philosonerd joke about Hegel, but then I realised it wasn't.

So how do Bioware games not fall under your above problem Roguey? Leaving aside that pop culture in our times is defined by that self-referentiality. And I hardly think Ghost in the Shell quoting Zizek and Heidegger at every turn is any better.

 

[Blaine]

I'm not sure what point anyone's trying to drive home here. It appears to be a clumsy pissing contest over how many legitimate criticisms can be heaped onto each developer, with the vague notion that whoever's pile of insults is the smallest wins.

My opinion's fairly simple. As of recently, BioWare jumped the shark on a rocket-powered pair of waterskis... and the frosting on the cake is The Old Republic, which is a World of Warcraft clone that's far shittier than World of Warcraft itself. Politically correct, omnisexual relationshipping, fanfic-tier, hand-holding, press-A-to-win lowest-denomination-catering is now BioWare's stock in trade. Does anyone dispute this?

 

[Captain Shrek]

I'm not sure what point anyone's trying to drive home here. It appears to be a clumsy pissing contest over how many legitimate criticisms can be heaped onto each developer, with the vague notion that whoever's pile of insults is the smallest wins.

My opinion's fairly simple. As of recently, BioWare jumped the shark on a rocket-powered pair of waterskis... and the frosting on the cake is The Old Republic, which is a World of Warcraft clone that's far shittier than World of Warcraft itself. Politically correct, omnisexual relationshipping, fanfic-tier, hand-holding, press-A-to-win lowest-denomination-catering is now their stock in trade. Does anyone dispute this?

No. It is a petty insult all right.

 

[Blaine]

It's neither petty nor an insult. It's an accurate, if colorful, description of BioWare's output in recent years.

The Old Republic is indisputably a World of Warcraft clone, it went free-to-play within eight months (an especially draconian F2P model, I'm told), and is considered a failure. The BioWare doctors quit because they couldn't handle any criticism. Feminist whales such as Jennifer Hepler and Rebecca Harwick are writing literally fanfic-tier romances and dialog, involving characters who can switch their sexual orientation on a dime. The gameplay of recent BioWare games has been linear, shallow, and extremely un-challenging. BioWare games are now as consolized as they come.

Do you dispute any of this, or do you have a quasi-witty stupid remark to make instead?

 

[Captain Shrek]

It's neither petty nor an insult. It's an accurate, if colorful, description of BioWare's output in recent years.

The Old Republic is indisputably a World of Warcraft clone, it went free-to-play within eight months (an especially draconian F2P model, I'm told), and is considered a failure. The BioWare doctors quit because they couldn't handle any criticism. Feminist whales such as Jennifer Hepler and Rebecca Harwick are writing literally fanfic-tier romances and dialog, involving characters who can switch their sexual orientation on a dime. The gameplay of recent BioWare games has been linear, shallow, and extremely un-challenging. BioWare games are now as consolized as they come.

Do you dispute any of this, or do you have a quasi-witty stupid remark to make instead?

How deep and edgy.

It is petty because Bioware is teh evul cause they copy a game that was liked by millions? Oh let me remember. There are those games called IWDs that are built with the same engine and mechanics as BG series. So that must be wrong, right? Since Bioware who made BGs are not making them!
Why is Feminism bad? Because it is bad?
Consoles are bad? Why?

None of these are explanations. They are just petty accusations. Whether they are correct or not has not been shown anywhere.

 

[Blaine]

Shrek, you're a graphics whore who doesn't understand why consoles are bad and can't hold up your end of a debate to save your life. Your best and apparently only technique is to twist other posters' words to suit your agenda and bombard them with questions.

Whether they are correct or not has not been shown anywhere.

I'll show you something:

Spoiler

I know I'm getting ahead of myself with this baby thing, but hear me out.

Let's say we have a kid. Or adopt, or whatever. Your ship's no place to raise anything short of a tuk'ata. Way too many sharp corners and Sithy things lying around.

Maybe we convert the medbay into a nursery. All it needs is a few lights, some decorations. Maybe Guinn could pull nanny duty. No kiddie leashes, though.

But seriously, no pressure or anything. I'm just planning for the future--now that you're stuck with me, we're in love, all that mushy stuff.

 

[Blaine]

By all means, explain yourself. I'm listening. Unless of course this is yet another situation in which you refuse to explain yourself, in which case I suppose I should prepare for some inane babble followed by you asking me stupid questions.