Rocket-Propelled Game
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As someone who's only read the Dark Horse version: How bad was that segment??
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MadMaxHellfire
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mission difficulty is just too uneven, it's ridiculous. bandit "terror" mission can be done by a single dog. random tiny ufo lands and santa claus oneshots my whole team.
full porn. it's retarded.
full porn. it's retarded.
Average Manatee
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aye, its a big problem. Would be less of a problem if your gals were more expendable but if you lose them you're set way behind.
MadMaxHellfire
Arcane
two months in, i still don't know how to recruit more.
The Brazilian Slaughter
Arcane
You need to research it. You will get peasants first, they will be useful cannon fodder until you get gals. Plus you can get Castaway Gals from some missions.
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MadMaxHellfire
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i restarted in canada instead of egypt, everything is much easier (despite losing throngs of dags), but i can't change my mind: this is an awesome game crushed under its own weight. it's not like ja2 1.13 where everything is easily reachable and manageable, even spoiling researches helps extremely little in understanding what's going on, a couple missions and tons of clutter fills every list with 100% useless items, and why on earth every new vehicle i research is complete dogshit compared to the starting plane?
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Because starter plane is relatively high-tech piece that your gals stole when they escaped during intro.
MadMaxHellfire
Arcane
and it's so idiotic it hurts.
overtenemy
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Brothers I must point out that you can look up enemy armor stats in combat. Middle mouse the unit then middle mouse its portrait. You need to have the examination researched in order for this to work. Still, as previously pointed out, you can make educated guesses as to what will work on whom and can even do trial and error right in the middle of combat. It's not ideal of course but you sometimes have to.
Edit: Since I'm here, pay attention to the protips you get from researching things like Gal Guides etc. Sometimes they're annoying and pointless, but other times they contain critical info, especially if you're playing the game as intended and not looking up spoilers and guides. Some of it is in fact interface tips, telling you what click does what on what.
Edit: Since I'm here, pay attention to the protips you get from researching things like Gal Guides etc. Sometimes they're annoying and pointless, but other times they contain critical info, especially if you're playing the game as intended and not looking up spoilers and guides. Some of it is in fact interface tips, telling you what click does what on what.
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Rocket-Propelled Game
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Christ, why didn't he just hold onto it for a hentai spinoff or something (like how he eventually just started making porn and nothing else), especially when he apparently personally took it out of the English version? Looking back, I'm thinking Shirow was sorta a reclusive genius but also mostly just kind of a socially maladapted weirdo.
More on-topic, I think I shall try the Final Mod Pack when I have a free evening.
MadMaxHellfire
Arcane
meh, xpiratez is just too "lolrandom", it can't be taken seriously, it's not funny. it's "filler: the game", months past, tens of researches done, my unnecessarily nude starting women are all still using the same starting weapons (and cattle prods, which i can't research but i can equip no problem), wearing the starting armor, launching the starting grenades, traveling in the starting ship, docked in the unmodified starting base. and here i was complaining long war advanced too fast.
lightbane
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Welcome to Modder Autism: the Game. It's recommended to play in short bursts to avoid exhaustion. Also, another part of modder autism is to modify non-stop the game's parameters, to the point that strategies that work for one update, won't work for the mod's next release. Ie: It used to be that using certain drinks caused fatigue to the target to represent alcohol and such stuff. People discovered they could use this to KO strong enemies by bypassing their resistances and such. It was hilarious to KO high-tier enemies with regular vodka, but Dioxine didn't like that so now drinks only cause fatigue to the user, NOT the target.
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lightbane
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Huh, I didn't know that one.
But yeah, I liked checking changelog notes to see what kind of exploit was removed between updates in Piratez, until I stopped caring. Another fun exploit that was removed in Piratez and XCF is that enemies that somehow ended up in your "exit tiles" zones were considered automatically captured once you abandoned the mission area (with at least one guy of yours in the landing area so that you don't lose the craft, of course). I suppose it was meant to be an abstraction of the crew ganging up on the suddenly surprised enemy, but that was removed as it allowed you to capture high-tier enemies and even those you were never supposed to capture.
Balancing is annoying in these mods. XCF for example hates you getting money from Manufacturing, unlike OG XCOM. Then there's that strange hatred towards crafts' closed doors and/or early crafts having shitty landing spawn zones. This was done to prevent turtling, but it becomes obvious it's meant to be artificial difficulty very quickly.
Demo.Graph
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Maybe it's for the best. OG money became irrelevant very fast, while remaining a main factor of production. They were abundant, but at the same time useless.
E.g. while it's possible to create 8 bases in OG or TFTD, I think nobody ever did so, because radar coverage wasn't that important and turning them into cashgrab factories was irrelevant.
So production limit is good if it leaves money relevant. On the other hand, game progression-wise it would've been much better if money became abundant, but ended up being a critical resource and some random drop or captives became gateways instead. This way you could get a sense of becoming more powerful by overcoming scarcity.
I vaguely remember seeing Piratez letsplays on YT in which people ended with 6-8 specialized bases. And I think money becomes irrelevant there, but other bottlenecks appear (I'm still on month 2 there, so I don't know).
The Brazilian Slaughter
Arcane
After a while not touching it, return of Piratezposting:
- FUUUCK Bandit Towns are fucking hell. You need to chuckle loads of explosives to win. Kill everyone that's not on your to-capture list. Probably only spare rarer dudes like Hitmen and Bandit Bosses. Kill hoes, kill B-Boys, maybe kill Brigands too. Honestly, kill anything you know you can get on more ordinary missions. Use lots of smoke but be aware some higher-level foes have Night and can somewhat see through smoke. The one saving grace is no vehicles.
- I went on a mission to kill an automated tank (HWP) the humanists had. Not that bad actually, but you gotta be careful about humanist faggots with big guns and grenades. The tank itself was not that dangerous. Almost ended up badly.
- Got some new weapons recently. LASS is neat for fighting vehicles. Haven't checked some other stuff like NERF Laspistol and i-Gun, but the stats look neat.
- Hint about missions in which you need to destroy terrain, like stone walls: Strong melee weapons can hack them. Battle Ax can hack stone walls, for example. I did it to a ship door once.
- FUUUCK Bandit Towns are fucking hell. You need to chuckle loads of explosives to win. Kill everyone that's not on your to-capture list. Probably only spare rarer dudes like Hitmen and Bandit Bosses. Kill hoes, kill B-Boys, maybe kill Brigands too. Honestly, kill anything you know you can get on more ordinary missions. Use lots of smoke but be aware some higher-level foes have Night and can somewhat see through smoke. The one saving grace is no vehicles.
- I went on a mission to kill an automated tank (HWP) the humanists had. Not that bad actually, but you gotta be careful about humanist faggots with big guns and grenades. The tank itself was not that dangerous. Almost ended up badly.
- Got some new weapons recently. LASS is neat for fighting vehicles. Haven't checked some other stuff like NERF Laspistol and i-Gun, but the stats look neat.
- Hint about missions in which you need to destroy terrain, like stone walls: Strong melee weapons can hack them. Battle Ax can hack stone walls, for example. I did it to a ship door once.
overtenemy
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Bros new patch. Big early change if you went Red.
I've got to say it's been a long time since I've played XCOM and I've never played OpenXCOM til now, so there are things that I've learned from the tips that I do not recall at all from the original either due to my memory or because the features weren't there.
Using ctrl + move to sprint or strafe is a big one but I think it's been mentioned and I sort of assumed everyone knew it. But after playing for quite some time I only recently learned that you can force a unit to fire at a tile even with no LoS by holding ctrl. Very much wish I had known this shit earlier. Not only does the game sometimes tell you that very possible shots are blocked, but it makes things such as miniguns a fair bit better as you can target directly onto an obscured enemy and count on 30 or so rounds to chew up the terrain/walls and get the kill. Probably also good for things that shoot explosives with autofire that as of now I seldomly use.
I must also report at the risk of minor spoilers one of the greatest disappointments I've ever encountered in a game. I researched GAS CHAMBERS, only to learn it's merely a defensive building for when your base is attacked. what the fuck dioxine
I've got to say it's been a long time since I've played XCOM and I've never played OpenXCOM til now, so there are things that I've learned from the tips that I do not recall at all from the original either due to my memory or because the features weren't there.
Using ctrl + move to sprint or strafe is a big one but I think it's been mentioned and I sort of assumed everyone knew it. But after playing for quite some time I only recently learned that you can force a unit to fire at a tile even with no LoS by holding ctrl. Very much wish I had known this shit earlier. Not only does the game sometimes tell you that very possible shots are blocked, but it makes things such as miniguns a fair bit better as you can target directly onto an obscured enemy and count on 30 or so rounds to chew up the terrain/walls and get the kill. Probably also good for things that shoot explosives with autofire that as of now I seldomly use.
I must also report at the risk of minor spoilers one of the greatest disappointments I've ever encountered in a game. I researched GAS CHAMBERS, only to learn it's merely a defensive building for when your base is attacked. what the fuck dioxine
eXalted
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Late to the party, but I recently tried Brutal AI with the mods included in this.
And holy shit. The enemy AI is good now. It feels like the aliens are actually a team now, working together, and in general, having a will to live. My first couple of missions have been a disaster even if I won. It seems smoke is not the great OP tool that it was, they seem to fire randomly into it, and actually probe it with units. I had an alien moving into the smoke to ambush my men. They also seem to protect their ship, forcing me to burn them out with grenades. This is truly what OpenXcom needed in my opinion.
And holy shit. The enemy AI is good now. It feels like the aliens are actually a team now, working together, and in general, having a will to live. My first couple of missions have been a disaster even if I won. It seems smoke is not the great OP tool that it was, they seem to fire randomly into it, and actually probe it with units. I had an alien moving into the smoke to ambush my men. They also seem to protect their ship, forcing me to burn them out with grenades. This is truly what OpenXcom needed in my opinion.
lightbane
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There's a new update for XCF now that Piratez got updated that adds cyborg units with multiple options for cybernetic organs, as well as a cybernetic improvement for animal units, at long last. The downside is that for balance reasons these upgrades tend to eat Sanity, which is already a precious resource that alien missions eat aplenty, and at low levels your units start losing Morale and Energy.
At least it doesn't block psychic powers, but it's still a lot of micromanagement for a game where you were meant to lose dozens of guys without issue.
At least it doesn't block psychic powers, but it's still a lot of micromanagement for a game where you were meant to lose dozens of guys without issue.
eXalted
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Playing Reaver's Harmony with Brutal AI. Man, it's so good. That AI mod is some next-level stuff - every battle is now a horror story. Enemies now, flank, fire from cover, throw grenades or shoot blindly in the smoke or if they have seen you have soldiers somewhere, it's great. Also, an optional setting if you want aliens to be able to throw grenades at Turn 1 and be able to pre-prime grenades if they don't have anything else to do.
10/10 would wipe another squad again. Absolutely recommend.
10/10 would wipe another squad again. Absolutely recommend.
Been casually following a guy on Twitch playing X-files on the hardest setting with Brutal AI, and it's pure suffering that I wouldn't wish on anyone. He has been at it for months now, lol.Sounds like masochism
orcinator
Liturgist
How does the AI affect the annoying creature missions you get at the start and do the first few months still consist of forming firing lines to shoot zombies?Been casually following a guy on Twitch playing X-files on the hardest setting with Brutal AI, and it's pure suffering that I wouldn't wish on anyone. He has been at it for months now, lol.Sounds like masochism
Also anyone have an invite to the xpiratez notdiscord?
eXalted
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I think it makes the bugs and creatures hide more. I wouldn't play X-Com Files with Brutal AI. I think Reaver's Harmony and FMP are much better choices for it.
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