That is bad thing to say. It is similar to coming to SCL topic and saying it is OK, BG already did a action game version of D&D rules. Then compare BG to ToEE and it does look like a action game version of D&D, but... do you want SCL level of action game?
Agree 100%.
Agree here too. All I'm saying is, Bloodlines 2 or whatever can be trashy for girls and boys. Put in the stuff that caters to teenage boys! Just throw in some beefcake too, it'd be totally appropriate.
I'm into it. Like I said in my first post on the subject, I would want a Bloodlines 2 to be slutty or tasteless without the fear of disapproval from the "wife looking over the shoulder". I just think it can be done in that way and still also have "something for everyone". The setting doesn't require a male-dominant bias, and the first game didn't really have such a bias in my opinion, except for the meta thing with the posters, which was a fair call by Roguey. Throw in all the female-exploitation stuff you want, and then throw in some male-exploitation stuff too. You don't have to go full Bioware with everyone being androgynous/bisexual - you can do it simply by considering a broader audience. Women play games too, and women also like eye candy, it's just not the same eye candy. A poster of Ash really wouldn't have ruined Bloodlines.
True, but nowadays almost every last RPG developer would have done it. And for me Bloodlines were close to ideal adaptation, especially the first hub. If it would have been bigger and more reactive, VtM:B would have been just the best game ever. Among today's generation of developers I can see only CDPR managing to pull off something similar. Well, maybe also Eidos Montreal, Deus Ex HR dev team (and now I will be probably stoned to death by an angry Codex mob). But CDPR being a first and almost only choice.
Man, nobody gives a shit to babies, they can't cry on the internet.
Mate, just a post ago you were complaining about lack of powerful men and all those women, who will slutily thrust their dripping vaginas in their general direction. Where in Pillars have you seen it, do pray tell?
News flash, pnp WoD is not about cool and complex tactical combat. Bloodlines is about as close to pnp as BG is to pnp D&D.
Actually, I can easily envision a Bloodlines 2 with similar gameplay to DXHR being good. I hope that Mankind Divided shows that Eidos Montreal learned from "punch hole through wall here" type level design ... and if they have, then they've shown that they can make a game that's fun to play through with different characters who may or may not have certain abilities. Apply that philosophy to Bloodlines and you have similar fun stuff: you can't get through without using some ability, but whether that's Celerity, Dementation, or Obfuscation, it all works in different ways. In terms of gameplay, DXHR and Bloodlines had a pretty similar basic blueprint, now that I think about it.
It really depends on a specific Storyteller. While I can agree that oWoD's combat wasn't as deep (or tedious) as GURPS or Shadowrun, or even ADnD, I've played with some Storytellers who specialized on GMing short combat sessions. We tested many interesting builds, disciplines and so on while playing them, Technocracy VS Changellings VS Garou VS Cainites, etc. etc. Now there were a couple of problems - there were many ways to cheese the fuck out of a system, there were little or no balance between various species' powers, and so on. But it was really fun, and I never forget that one Storyteller who excelled on describing combat situations. Especially he liked describe botches and was very creative in it.
Well I probably should have said Vampire, not WoD. Compared to DnD, it was very limited. The rules and setting didn't care about combat heavy approach, 7 life and humanity system was there for a reason. And Bloodlines was 1 vampire instead of 4.It really depends on a specific Storyteller. While I can agree that oWoD's combat wasn't as deep (or tedious) as GURPS or Shadowrun, or even ADnD, I've played with some Storytellers who specialized on GMing short combat sessions. We tested many interesting builds, disciplines and so on while playing them, Technocracy VS Changellings VS Garou VS Cainites, etc. etc. Now there were a couple of problems - there were many ways to cheese the fuck out of a system, there were little or no balance between various species' powers, and so on. But it was really fun, and I never forget that one Storyteller who excelled on describing combat situations. Especially he liked describe botches and was very creative in it.
Bloodlines isn't really close to PnP in terms of combat. There's a discrepancy between PnP's and VtM:B's, soak and damage system, healing damage system, skills, and many other moments. It still doesn't make it a bad game, of course.
OK, I'll bite. Who's your candidate?
I really like the combat round structure, the rules for multiple actions and the way damage works. It's a shame that those are the first things that will be lost in a CRPG adaptation.
Didn't we agree your face belongs on the way of my fists? Let's throw away a system that has been playtested for decades and use some videogame cooldown shit designed in a weekend instead.
GJ making my point. Bloodlines works nothing like the original game, just same names and basic structure for stats.
