Absinthe is someone I'm actually inclined to believe—not because he agrees with
me, but rather because what he says jibes with what veteran supporters on the GGG forums have been saying. There is widespread belief that tabs are at least mildly pay-to-win.
This is true.
"I'd prefer if GGG removed [Alchemy/Regal recipe] before open beta, but I can see how that might anger people who bought a lot of tabs."
Those recipes are a problem and people know it.
"I have 50-80 tabs and still have to do a lot of comparing and trading in order to match Regals."
Alchs alone are good. Regals are just even better.
(Perhaps significantly, I've seen literally no one on the GGG forums attempt argue that the tabs aren't pay-to-win.)
That would surprise me, because I can assure you I have seen people try to argue this in in-game chat.
Nowhere have I read that maps/events are just as profitable as stash tab orb farming, and the orbs required to make "perfect" (or near-perfect) gear are self-evident.
Nothing is more profitable than running events for experienced players. Especially since Demigod's Presence alone is worth absurd amounts as a collectible (and the only item that survives wipes). Running maps is also profitable, especially with the right setup, but it's not like running maps and doing alch+regal recipes are mutually exclusive.
the most common use of the GCP is as a trade commodity, if you want to suggest otherwise I would like to know how you arrive at such a conclusion.
Okay dumbass, we know GCPs are traded. I am saying that you're fucking wrong when you're suggesting they're not actually used. The reason they have such value is because they
are useful. That doesn't mean I wont sit on a stack of them for trading purposes, but I will burn those GCPs if I need a 20% gem. I've done it before and likely I'll do it again.
Using twenty GCPs on a gem is a very drastic action since almost all gem types are available for trade and always for less in exchange than directly applying the orb currency.
Drastic? Yes. Does it happen? Also yes. Freezing Pulse, for instance, is one gem that is typically GCP'd all the way to 20%, from 0 if need be.
relative to all the other orbs used the Regal Orb is used the least in the crafting process. Orbs of alchemy are not used whatsoever when undertaking optimal crafting.
Well since you said so, you must be right. Burden of proof is on your end, tool. You're right that using regals to craft is an unpopular method, but when we're talking about
perfect item crafting, alt+regal+exalt+scour is often the preferred method because it lets you roll for good properties independently. In a game where a 600 ES chest piece is considered perfectly good, the guys doing alt+regal can make 1.2k ES chest pieces.
Also, there is a third method for high end crafting, where you simply alch every single piece of good white base loot until you get a killer rare. This method is mostly popular with sapphire/topaz/ruby rings and onyx amulets because it's cheaper to make more whites with perfect rolls than to use scouring/chaos for rerolling.
inasmuch as the core playerbase continues to trade and strive for optimal equipment and all other orb values remain relatively constant this interpretation is evidently not accurate of the factors that are producing differences.
So in other words you fail at reading? Let me repeat myself: "It's the orbs that can easily pump your chars that maintain good value now, not the ones that take a shitload of currency + luck to get you anything really good." And while value doesn't necessarily drop through the crapper, as people's priorities shift so do the value of particular orbs.
In fact the reason is probably very much otherwise, just as Orbs of Alchemy hold a special value in events such as the week long races, once players who come to influence the economy (i.e. those who buy and thus determine initial value and its subsequent revision) achieve a sufficient level of itemisation the use of these orbs becomes increasingly redundant. Which is how the economy has played out in both the normal league and special events. So having said that it should be quite interesting to see how players interact with the economy in its nascent stage/s.
What the hell are you smoking? This is a game about loot-whoring. While people obviously want solid, build-enabling items, having them won't stop them from wanting
much better items. The idea that those crafting orbs will cease to be in demand when people have attained acceptable gear is ridiculous, especially when high-end crafting burns through them in massive quantities just to produce a single high-end piece, ensuring demand to consume those orbs.
or alternatively recognise the discrepancies for what they are and thus be disinclined to trade at a market value that won't be reciprocal.
Pal, no amount of verbiage will improve your intelligence. Speak like a normal fucking being. You just said, "Well I don't want to do bad trades." No fucking shit. Nobody does.
this is a very good example of misrepresenting GGG's intentions, they have always expressed their intentions to have the game --once made available for public play-- entirely free and without definite advantage.
Fuck
intentions. I am talking about
realities.
The beta is clearly not the place to allow for infinite accounts that would defeat the purpose of limiting the overall number of beta testers.
Well no shit, but when they coupled that limitation with "purchase stash tabs," they created a Pay2Win system.
Muling should be very easy I imagine
I'm glad to know your imagined experience trumps my real experience. It is doable though, yes, but it is also fucking
mandrolic. Which ties back into my point: the guy who buys stash tabs has an easier time doing the same shit.
presumably a password function will allow players to isolate their instance for transferring items between characters.
I'd ask what the fuck you're on about, but I realized I don't care.
Multi-boxing on the other hand is not something GGG endorses,
As far as I know, GGG
does endorse multiboxing. What they don't endorse is getting unfair advantages through multiboxing.
And to reiterate the essential issue, mulling won't be hard for those who intend to make an active effort to organise their item catalogues.
Well now that you're repeating (begging your pardon, "reiterating") yourself, I guess that proves it. Incidentally, even if I mule 23 characters (out of my 24 char limit) and play with just 1, I will still have less storage space than you do with your 30 tabs and 0 mules.
Also, cataloguing is
completely unnecessary when PoE-helper, the program people use for alch and regal recipes, will point out which rares and where result in the appropriate recipe.
you can gradually acquire Orbs of Alteration by selling blue items yet that is not the same whatsoever as always having enough.
Now I think I already said "You can make enough alterations just fine out of blue items." but I'm sure your imagined experience trumps my real experience again, no?
This will become manifestly obvious in the coming open beta phase. Even long-term players who have become accustomed to usually having at least enough resources to ensure a three or four link items are probably going to be surprised at how difficult it is for what they presently regard as average itemisation.
I'd like to know where that conviction comes from because it certainly isn't experience. I've started from scratch plenty. You think making 4Ls is going to be hard with a new char. You are bad.
So having a particular quantity at an opportune time, namely when players are trying to acquire as many crafting orbs as possible, is a useful situation to prepare for, especially since in these situations the conventional trade ratios are often forgone for a timely transaction.
So... you're trying to argue it's better to burn rares for alts than alchs, chaos, and regals? Are you serious? If this is what you believe, I wouldn't be surprised if you believe that having multiple stash tabs doesn't really give you an advantage over others - because clearly you are fucking bad at exploiting the economy.
Orbs of Alteration can be used for multiple purposes, whether to exchange for Jeweller Orbs, Orbs of Fusing, or as a raw resources, for which reasons they have a greater potential value than any ratio set by the merchant's exchange rates.
Thank you, Captain Obvious.
