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short of alching white drops
Imagine using Alchemy Orbs on anything besides Maps on League start (when random rares still hold some value). You truly are from a bygone era.
Imagine being such a trendchaser you forget that alchs are actually usable.

But back when we last had this discussion 1 exalt could pay for over 300 rerolls
Exalts never went above 150c on HC trade during any League.
You broke 300 by not directly using chaos but trading those chaos for alchs+scouring, which raised your amount of rerolls much higher while providing the same effect.

No, I hate my life because you need to invest 30+ hours before you can start having even little fun and then another 50+ to start having a lot of fun. It is just not a sane way to spend time when I can play games or watch series/movies that are fun from hour 1.
I don't think you follow. You are playing the game in an incredibly inefficient way. The frustrations you experience with time wasted are a natural consequence of that.
 
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Imagine being such a trendchaser you forget that alchs are actually usable.
My case is a use case, you retard.
You broke 300 by not directly using chaos but trading those chaos for alchs+scouring
This was correct only once. In Sentinel League past day 16. Converting your Exalts into Chaos into Alchemy and Scours to then proceed and individually click on rings until you get "something decent" and list them individually again only to make those small trades in the future. Peak autism.

Where do you even get the bases from? Do you have like a "mapping day" every couple of weeks, where you actually play the game and pick up white bases? Or is there some underground jew market on HC where you can buy that stuff without having to leave your hideout?
 

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Your "use case" is unnecessarily limited and consists of sitting on alchs you don't really use.

Also, picking up perfect roll implicits/etc for future crafting is not that bad, tbh.
 

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No, I hate my life because you need to invest 30+ hours before you can start having even little fun and then another 50+ to start having a lot of fun. It is just not a sane way to spend time when I can play games or watch series/movies that are fun from hour 1.
I don't think you follow. You are playing the game in an incredibly inefficient way. The frustrations you experience with time wasted are a natural consequence of that.
I do not care. I do not want to trade, and if the game is designed around trade it is a bad game. This is only aRPG where I am forced to trade to have fun. Fuck that shit.
It is a badly designed game and it has been that for years now.
 

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Your "use case" is unnecessarily limited and consists of sitting on alchs you don't really use.
I see you've never actually tried to progress your Atlas at League start in any serious fashion. You're not sitting on any Alchs. You have none at League start (when the profitability of your method could potentially be justifiable). You use them all on maps and then you start using your Binding Orbs when you run out. A much better use of your resources and time. Even for your retarded activity it would be better since you would get into high tier maps earlier -> level faster -> get access to ilvl83-86 jewelry faster as a result.
 

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chaos orb recipe

no fucking wonder you hate your life when you play poe

you couldn't pay me real money to do that shit
No, I hate my life because you need to invest 30+ hours before you can start having even little fun and then another 50+ to start having a lot of fun. It is just not a sane way to spend time when I can play games or watch series/movies that are fun from hour 1.

You hate your life because you insist on sticking to playing this game in the most retarded way possible. Chaos recipe in 2023. My brain
 

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Game is not designed around trade, it's designed around playing A LOT. Trade allows you to play less and the leads tried their best to make it cumbersome to use.

It's their "vision" and at least doesn't seem motivated by greed.
 

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Game is not designed around trade, it's designed around playing A LOT. Trade allows you to play less and the leads tried their best to make it cumbersome to use.

It's their "vision" and at least doesn't seem motivated by greed.

Too few ways to target farm uniques for this to be even remotely true.

The main thing that’s kept me out of SSF these years is that if you want just a single, high end unique for your build - even if you can craft everything else with what you find randomly - you’re close to SoL in PoE. It can be done - but it'll be a fairly grueling proces.
 
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Laziest league yet, at least Kalandra looked like some effort was put in and you could laugh at archnem mods designed by imbeciles, looked passives up on trade and interesting ones seem tied to garbage unique items, so if you want to engage with core new mechanic and not channel hundreds of encounters that don't drop loot you'll have to find passive tree first then build character around it oh and craft the item, good luck with that I did like 3 of them before I noped.
 

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Is this a slightly out of season april fools joke?
More play time = more chances for you to buy MTX.
Have you ever looked at PoE leagues stats?

Too few ways to target farm uniques for this to be even remotely true.
Yes part of their vision, they keep deterministic farming/crafting to a minimum.

PoE makes most sense when you have a small group of people that play a lot and trade between them. That's probably closest to their vision.
 

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I used to do chaos recipe too when I started playing but now it's not worth it (wasn't really worth it back then too, but at that time 20c was a fortune to me). If your goal is to just get raw chaos (or just currency in general) you're better off running Heist or the myriads of other ways rather than clogging your inventory and wasting your time with that garbage. Hell, just putting searing exarch in your map can guarantee you quite a few chaos for free from time to time.
 

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I used to do chaos recipe too when I started playing but now it's not worth it (wasn't really worth it back then too, but at that time 20c was a fortune to me). If your goal is to just get raw chaos (or just currency in general) you're better off running Heist or the myriads of other ways rather than clogging your inventory and wasting your time with that garbage. Hell, just putting searing exarch in your map can guarantee you quite a few chaos for free from time to time.
I spent one whole league running a lot of Heist and I got rich from that. But that was before they went all retarded with Archnemesis mods.
I also tried doing Heist this league but it is mind numingly boring. I rather run maps and do chaos recipe lol and wait for some divs to drops or some random stupid drops that I can sell for anything of worth.
But that again goes into play 30+ hours to start having some fun which is where I am now. I got my 5L unique, got some items I need and got my resistances and shit so I can now run yellow maps without dying often and do decent damage (while ignoring the completely pointless, unbalanced and stupid league mechanic).
But looking at what I now need to really get this build working and fun and not just OK I need 50+ hours more as I need 4+ div to buy items. And after 80 fucking hours I can finally play my build and have fun LOL.

This is what I am talking all the time that this shitty game does not let you have fun until you reach I do not know what. And it is even worse in SSF as you can only play unique less builds or hope to get lucky.

Most fun I ever had was when I got a doctor drop early in one of the leagues few years ago (when Shaper was still end boss). I bought a lot of good gear for a fun build that then I brought to lvl 94 and did end game with it. I actually had fun for 20-30h playing it without needing to first pay 50 hour tax to farm for that shit like normally. That doctor drop is still the most expensive drop I ever got and I have been playing this shit game since closed beta.
I even bought some shitty MTX for $ that league because RNG gods let me have fun early.

Over the years this game started requiring more and more grinding to reach end game and bosses and I have been playing it less and less. For unknown reason I still start new leagues but quit faster each time.
 
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"Archnemesis"

Tentacle guy's altar just got me 9 div on a t15 map (first drop this league ), also crafted a 6 div cluster with 30 prismatic fossil and 2 rejects were worth 200c sold instantly.

Nowadays an adequate early league build is something you can farm expedition with.
 
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Over the years this game started requiring more and more grinding to reach end game and bosses and I have been playing it less and less.
Depends on what you consider end-game. You can reach red maps on a lot of okay-ish builds without much investment, especially if you don't mind using some portals.
Personally, I dropped 2 raw divines this league and 2 or 3 from Heist and Ritual but outside of that I don't think I've gotten anything that's above 50c. Still, I beat Uber Elder and Maven today and I am practically breezing through red maps.
In general, I do agree with your sentiment in regards to the grind but I think the improvements they've done to the atlas passive tree alleviates that a lot.
That being said, I praise GGG and I get shit like crucible where if I want to reroll the mods on my scepter I have to pray to RNGsus or go through 4-5 hoops and still pray to RNGsus.
 

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But the game has been increasingly oriented to softcore play with all the one-shotting mechanics, and a lot of rarer uniques are not really available in the HC economy.
That is not the current sentiment in the community. If anything, most people believe that the game is oriented around HC SSF Ruthless.
I can't bring myself to play Lootless without movement abilities. Just no.

Lootless is a failure from every angle you look at it. It has no place in this game or any h&s for that matter.

Therefore, I have never seen this 'sentiment of the community' and if it should exist in some corner of The Beast i want no part of it.
 

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Your "use case" is unnecessarily limited and consists of sitting on alchs you don't really use.
I see you've never actually tried to progress your Atlas at League start in any serious fashion. You're not sitting on any Alchs. You have none at League start (when the profitability of your method could potentially be justifiable). You use them all on maps and then you start using your Binding Orbs when you run out. A much better use of your resources and time. Even for your retarded activity it would be better since you would get into high tier maps earlier -> level faster -> get access to ilvl83-86 jewelry faster as a result.
And after that you sit on them.

Seriously, son, did you think I was discussing 300+ alch reroll crafting in the context of a league starter? Use your head.

I can't bring myself to play Lootless without movement abilities. Just no.
Up to you. Ruthless is just a type of PoE hard mode for people who want that sort of thing. Ruthless gives everyone a Quickstep (support with Second Wind) movement ability though, and blink attack abilities (like Ambush, Chain Hook, Consecrated Path, and Flicker Strike) work also. Temporal Rift also still works. You can also just zoom with good old extreme movement speed stacking. Achieving over +200% movement speed is still rather feasible, esp. if you are playing Berserker or Raider.

Lootless is a failure from every angle you look at it. It has no place in this game or any h&s for that matter.
Not really. There are players who intentionally go for more hardmode challenges. And it isn't lootless, really. It's just drastically reduced loot, but you can work with that, especially in a trade league. There are also plenty of perfectly decent item independent builds, and if you can't be fucked to make your own no doubt the SSF community has loads of ideas.

Therefore, I have never seen this 'sentiment of the community' and if it should exist in some corner of The Beast I want no part of it.
Ruthless is fully optional. And there is a part of the community that wants better difficulty modes, especially among hardcore players. My main complaint about difficulty isn't that the game is too hard somehow but that many one-shotting mechanics do not adequately visually distinguish between what are absolute (ie. you're fucked no matter what) and non-absolute (ie. a sufficiently defensively optimized character should be able to survive this) oneshots, and I think absolute oneshotting should be minimized. The general problem is that when you create certain death mechanics, you are rewarding softcore playstyles by devaluing builds that focus on survivability. And loot that is excessively reliant on RNG to be procured in a usable fashion creates a depth of itemization that is really only available in softcore.
 
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Kripp compares Ruthless to baseline PoE from the days of the Beta. Very comfy vid:



Interesting build about abusing Vengeant Cascade with Volcanic Fissure Totems and Strength stacking. Skip to 0:50s for the build:



I'm blasting through t16s on my shitty Deadeye. Vengeant Cascade is online and it's a lot of fun. Blighted Maps were a mistake. Fishing for annoints on Amulets to use the extractor on in regular Blight encounters in low maps gave me way more Golden Oils. Now I can finally take care of my actual gear. I'm specced into Essences and Expedition for crafting and Exarch Influence for Unmaking Orbs, so I can respecc my Atlas later on. I found this cute base for my intermediate bow:

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Also, Kirac is mah nigga:

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And after that you sit on them.

Seriously, son, did you think I was discussing 300+ alch reroll crafting in the context of a league starter? Use your head.
Wrong. You convert the Alchs into Chaos/Divines in order to buy actual good items or you stop picking them up entirely. You have no clue. You're an old fart who has fallen behind in times and all of your methods are inefficient. If they weren't, you wouldn't have to rely on "cheap builds". I'm not your son.
 

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And after that you sit on them.

Seriously, son, did you think I was discussing 300+ alch reroll crafting in the context of a league starter? Use your head.
Wrong. You convert the Alchs into Chaos/Divines in order to buy actual good items or you stop picking them up entirely.
Right, you sit on them and trade them (or you ditch them altogether, lmfao). You don't actually use them.

You have no clue. You're an old fart who has fallen behind in times and all of your methods are inefficient.
Remember how earlier on I pointed out that you're too much of a trendchaser to remember it is possible to actually use alchs? You just confirmed I'm right. You're too obsessed with whatever is the hip, current method of doing shit to acknowledge there are other ways to get shit done. Also, the amount of rerolls that were to be had on that are very efficient.

I'm sure you like to imagine that your exchange rates are very efficient (after all, it's only over 1600 alchs for a single divine in softcore crucible) but there are decent odds that it's not. The fact that you would skip picking up alchs confirms that you know your method isn't delivering good value.

If they weren't, you wouldn't have to rely on "cheap builds".
Kid, just how far is your head up your own ass that you think the only appeal of budget builds is being too poor to afford better? I know I called you a trendchaser before, but you really have no concept of the appeal of devising builds using overlooked uniques/etc, do you?

I'm not your son.
No shit, Sherlock.
 

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Remember how earlier on I pointed out that you're too much of a trendchaser to remember it is possible to actually use alchs? You just confirmed I'm right. You're too obsessed with whatever is the hip, current method of doing shit to acknowledge there are other ways to get shit done. Also, the amount of rerolls that were to be had on that are very efficient.
I showed you the viable use cases for Alchs earlier. Your use case isn't. The "trend hip thing" has been going on for literal years, you fossil. You don't even understand the concept of efficiency. In the time it takes you to eek out your tiny profit even a mediocre player could run some maps and made more by doing that. You're too retarded to even argue with.

The fact that you would skip picking up alchs confirms that you know your method isn't delivering good value.
It confirms that I have more efficient things to do in the game (like playing it or doing actual high level crafting), you retarded nigger.


but you really have no concept of the appeal of devising builds using overlooked uniques/etc, do you?
I have. I actually linked to a build that combines a bunch of "overlooked" uniques. I simply inferred that you can't afford anythign beyond budget builds, because you're such a retarded fossil that you're still manually alching rings.
 

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