Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker Builds and Strats Thread

[Zero Credibility]

Just did a quick test on an old save, and at least for Octavia, transmuter and item bonuses don't stack. This makes that transmuter ability a lot less powerful.

 

[hell bovine]

Most likely going halfling

Sylvan sorcerer with One of the cats as a pet

STR: 6
DEX: 18
CON: 14
INT: 12
WIS: 10
CHA: 18

Might take a closer look at the stats later and drop the int to 10 (depends on how much i want the skill point once i start the character creation)

Most likely i'm going to have him focus on Buffs and save based spells, I might take 1 summon spell at some point.
Going to skip most if not all ray spells.

The extra points from intelligence aren't worth it, because about the only skill you need on the main character is persuasion, other skills can be covered by the rest of the party. Also, if anything is chomping on your caster, that measly hp bonus from 14 con is not going to be much help in my experience. So just raise charisma instead.

 

[Monkeyfinger]

Sometimes your backline gets run at by enemies that spawn behind you in the middle of a fight. I have 14 base con + 4 con belt + toughness feat on my sylvan sorc, it rarely comes up but when it does I move a tank over, run the sorc out through an AOO, then I'm like FUCK YEAH HE SURVIVED WITH 20 HP.

 

[Yosharian]

Most likely going halfling

Sylvan sorcerer with One of the cats as a pet

STR: 6
DEX: 18
CON: 14
INT: 12
WIS: 10
CHA: 18

Might take a closer look at the stats later and drop the int to 10 (depends on how much i want the skill point once i start the character creation)

Most likely i'm going to have him focus on Buffs and save based spells, I might take 1 summon spell at some point.
Going to skip most if not all ray spells.

The extra points from intelligence aren't worth it, because about the only skill you need on the main character is persuasion, other skills can be covered by the rest of the party. Also, if anything is chomping on your caster, that measly hp bonus from 14 con is not going to be much help in my experience. So just raise charisma instead.

Persuasion can be covered by any party member, I've heard.

 

[Yosharian]

I am thinking of a Human Magus - Eldritch scion with Bronze dragon bloodline.

16
14
14
10
10
16

The crux of it is relying purely on magic + armour for defence and shocking touch for the offence. An early game shield should give me sufficient AC with some light armour (10 + 2 (dex) + 4(shield) + 4(chain shirt) = 20). Some magic deflection bonus from early items takes it to 21. Level 1 feats will be Dodge and improved unarmed strike, the latter for the crane style tree. This should result in some ridiculous AC with natural armour from other sources.

Suggestions and advice welcome.

Check out my build, it's in my sig. Not finished yet, still tweaking it.

 

[Fedora Master]

Most likely going halfling

Sylvan sorcerer with One of the cats as a pet

STR: 6
DEX: 18
CON: 14
INT: 12
WIS: 10
CHA: 18

Might take a closer look at the stats later and drop the int to 10 (depends on how much i want the skill point once i start the character creation)

Most likely i'm going to have him focus on Buffs and save based spells, I might take 1 summon spell at some point.
Going to skip most if not all ray spells.

The extra points from intelligence aren't worth it, because about the only skill you need on the main character is persuasion, other skills can be covered by the rest of the party. Also, if anything is chomping on your caster, that measly hp bonus from 14 con is not going to be much help in my experience. So just raise charisma instead.

Persuasion can be covered by any party member, I've heard.

There are situations where the MC is alone though and has to do the checks.

 

[Rinslin Merwind]

There are situations where the MC is alone though and has to do the checks.

*Proceed to re-roll character which more suitable for dialogs*

 

[hell bovine]

Persuasion can be covered by any party member, I've heard.

When you have the party with you, but those ungrateful sods desert you as soon as you are in your village masquerading as barony. Any throne room conversations you are on your own.

Sometimes your backline gets run at by enemies that spawn behind you in the middle of a fight. I have 14 base con + 4 con belt + toughness feat on my sylvan sorc, it rarely comes up but when it does I move a tank over, run the sorc out through an AOO, then I'm like FUCK YEAH HE SURVIVED WITH 20 HP.

Which is why I usually have the squishies (e.g. healbot cleric) in the middle. Backline is for archers who can take the heat.

 

[Yosharian]

There are situations where the MC is alone though and has to do the checks.

When you have the party with you, but those ungrateful sods desert you as soon as you are in your village masquerading as barony. Any throne room conversations you are on your own.

Which is why I usually have the squishies (e.g. healbot cleric) in the middle. Backline is for archers who can take the heat.

....

Fuck.

Guess I know who the main character of my group is then!

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Shadenuat]

I too have a question. Since I'm thinking of rolling with a transmuter, does the school bonus to stats stack with items bonuses?

Some unique artifact bonuses are not Enhancement and do stack.

Spoiler

8 Charisma (+6 Charisma diadem)
1 Focus Enchant
1 Greater Focus Enchant
1 Enchanter's Cape (cloak)
2 Maya's Charm (necklace)

There is also Ring of Reckless Courage (which is now bugged) which is supposed to give +2 to mind spells, armor that gives +2 to Laughter spell itself (I use +2 to spell resist pen robe instead) and Spell Focus Feat (I have it on Confusion for now) and Heighten spell and--

a lot of this loot is fine-tuned for companions though, like necklace is only wearable by Goods.

 

[Yosharian]

I too have a question. Since I'm thinking of rolling with a transmuter, does the school bonus to stats stack with items bonuses?

Some unique artifact bonuses are not Enhancement and do stack.

Spoiler

8 Charisma (+6 Charisma diadem)
1 Focus Enchant
1 Greater Focus Enchant
1 Enchanter's Cape (cloak)
2 Maya's Charm (necklace)

There is also Ring of Reckless Courage (which is now bugged) which is supposed to give +2 to mind spells, armor that gives +2 to Laughter spell itself (I use +2 to spell resist pen robe instead) and Spell Focus Feat (I have it on Confusion for now) and Heighten spell and--

a lot of this loot is fine-tuned for companions though, like necklace is only wearable by Goods.

Pretty sure he's talking about physical attributes, not a spellcasting stat or DC boost

Still, informative, hope I can get my hands on a couple of those +6 cha items

 

[Shadenuat]

Pretty sure he's talking about physical attributes

These also stack if item is "relic" since they don't count as enhancement bonuses. For example band +6 charisma stacks with ring of reckless courage for +10 charisma (as for now bugged, so only +8). It probably counts as either special or natural bonus.

Oh right, transmuter

You'd know that if you just played until level 2 and picked Octavia

Transmuter bonus is Enhancement, so no it does not stack with Enhancement from items (like Belts of physical enhancement)
You can sorta metagame for particular ones though (like picking 9 con and using belt for dex, using transmute for con).

 

[Yosharian]

Pretty sure he's talking about physical attributes

These also stack if item is "relic" since they don't count as enhancement bonuses. For example band +6 charisma stacks with ring of reckless courage for +10 charisma (as for now bugged, so only +8). It probably counts as either special or natural bonus.

Oh right, neat

 

[Yosharian]

There is also Ring of Reckless Courage (which is now bugged) which is supposed to give +2 to mind spells, armor that gives +2 to Laughter spell itself (I use +2 to spell resist pen robe instead) and Spell Focus Feat (I have it on Confusion for now) and Heighten spell and--

a lot of this loot is fine-tuned for companions though, like necklace is only wearable by Goods.

When you say spell focus feat you're not talking about Spell Specialisation are you? Pretty sure that feat doesn't raise DC

 

[Shadenuat]

Oh right, it's numeric variables.

 

[Yosharian]

Oh right, it's numeric variables.

It's caster level variables, so stuff like extra missiles, 1d6 per caster level, etc

I made the same mistake, saw the feat and instantly starting thinking I'd use to boost the DC of Bestow Curse, etc.

 

[Shadenuat]

Should put it on Ki Shout probably. The description of the feat is kinda fuzzy.

 

[Zero Credibility]

Oh right, transmuter

You'd know that if you just played until level 2 and picked Octavia

Transmuter bonus is Enhancement, so no it does not stack with Enhancement from items (like Belts of physical enhancement)
You can sorta metagame for particular ones though (like picking 9 con and using belt for dex, using transmute for con).

Already did that. That metagame would not work for my character, I plan on going for an eldritch knight, so the most I can expect is +2 or +3 to one stat, which is made redundant by Belt of physical perfection. Rolled with a sage sorc instead to see how that plays, never bothered with sorcerers before.

The more I play the more I notice little (or not so little) things just missing. Like no spell changing for sorcerers, or there being less than a handful of divination spells in the game. Bugs can and will be fixed eventually, but I do hope they also plan on eventually implementing more stuff. It really does feel like they just ran out of time (or money) and had to release in whatever state the game is, and hope it does well enough to keep them in business of fixing / adding more to it later. Fortunately the game does seem good enough for that to work.

 

[Shadenuat]

No Detect Alignment really bothers me.

Then again spells that use it are Deflection (and just that, no protection from natural attacks or charm) so they don't stack with basic Rings +2 I take it. It would only matter for level 8 Priest auras which monsters seem to aptly ignore.

 

[Jarpie]

Has anyone tried Eldritch Knight? I wonder if they'd be good archers.

 

[Andnjord]

No Detect Alignment really bothers me.

The Paladin spell Challenge Evil can work as a sort of detect evil in a pinch. Since it can only be used against Evil characters, it will tell you that much at least.

 

[Rinslin Merwind]

archeologist is the only way

Sorry for asking, but can you share build for archeologist?

 

[Cael]

archeologist is the only way

Sorry for asking, but can you share build for archeologist?

 

[frajaq]

This is gonna sound dumb but what kind of class/race main character would be good if I want to pass Persuasion/Intimidate checks in conversations at key moments? I'm not that interested in super broken builds since I play this game on normal anyway but I wouldn't like to be useless either