Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker Builds and Strats Thread

[panda]

...cornugon smash...

I see it often in recomendations, but can't understand why you'd want it over dazzling display. Care to explain guys?
I mean if you can reliably hit someone with power attacks he is as good as dead anyway.

 

[vazha]

...cornugon smash...

I see it often in recomendations, but can't understand why you'd want it over dazzling display. Care to explain guys?
I mean if you can reliably hit someone with power attacks he is as good as dead anyway.

If you play on higher difficulties, non-bosses that can withstand even a couple of power attack crits, not to mention regular attacks.
As for dazzling display, I believe it is a full action, therefore eats out your attack, while cornugon smash is a standard/bonus action.

 

[Sheepherder]

I beg to differ, playing a two hander pal/monk/vivi/abyssal sorc with reach weapon cleave (why cannt you freaking combine cornugon smash and cleave ffs) myself and cannot complain. In fact one half of my party consists of enlarged guys with big sticks whacking trolls and whatnot.

Like, a single character with that class array? That sounds interesting.
What I had in mind when saying that a twohander is shit, is that the fighter subclass Two Handed fighter is shit.

 

[Reinhardt]

My first character was pure 2h fighter and she was legit good killing things left and right. Also +5 2h sword is available early.

 

[Serus]

My first character was pure 2h fighter and she was legit good killing things left and right.

Of curse she was. When it comes to pure damage it's a very strong archetype. But it's very... focused on what it does. Means, it is able to deal a lot of damage and almost nothing else.

 

[Reinhardt]

Means, it is able to deal a lot of damage and almost nothing else.

Why you need anything else?

 

[Serus]

Means, it is able to deal a lot of damage and almost nothing else.

Why you need anything else?

I never said you did. I'd take a pure damage dealer in a party every day of the week.

 

[Sykar]

Means, it is able to deal a lot of damage and almost nothing else.

Why you need anything else?

I can only speak for myself but one word: fun.

 

[Serus]

Means, it is able to deal a lot of damage and almost nothing else.

Why you need anything else?

I can only speak for myself but one word: fun.

Fun in a combat focused crpg is to kill your enemies as efficiently as possible and to see large numbers grow even larger. Also something about lamentation of their women. Ask mondblut

 

[mondblut]

Fun in a combat focused crpg is to kill your enemies as efficiently as possible and to see large numbers grow even larger. Also something about lamentation of their women.

That's little numbers. Large numbers are for JRPG fags who cannot into functional game mechanics that make sense.

 

[Sykar]

Means, it is able to deal a lot of damage and almost nothing else.

Why you need anything else?

I can only speak for myself but one word: fun.

Fun in a combat focused crpg is to kill your enemies as efficiently as possible and to see large numbers grow even larger. Also something about lamentation of their women. Ask mondblut

I do not give a rats ass how others derive their fun in the most brain dead matter possible. Straightforward damage has always been the absolute most boring way of killing for me even in Hack&Slash games and ever growing numbers are the most primitive decline way of progression. Just look at D3.

 

[Reinhardt]

2h fighter have lots of tactical options. Much more than casters. He's not locked from fun variants because of some stupid "spell progression" thing after all.

 

[Serus]

Fun in a combat focused crpg is to kill your enemies as efficiently as possible and to see large numbers grow even larger. Also something about lamentation of their women.

That's little numbers. Large numbers are for JRPG fags who cannot into functional game mechanics that make sense.

Hey, what are you implying! My 2-handed fighter doing ~15 damage per round at level 1 has a large member... I mean number. 15 is large.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Alright, lads.

So is the following build viable?

Spoiler

And ignore the increased DR at level 10 since that should've been removed.

I'm getting a headache just by building my character properly.

 

[J1M]

I don't understand why you wouldn't take defender to 7 with that build.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

I don't understand why you wouldn't take defender to 7 with that build.

As to receive the second Fighter feat and also to get Armor Training.

Also, if by the point you reach level 20 you'd need Improved Uncanny Dodge, then the build wouldn't be viable for higher levels in the first place.

 

[J1M]

I think you are forgetting that defender picks up 2 DR and 1 AC at level 7. You are paying the feat cost of the prestige class and avoiding the benefits... to get hammer the gap?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

So should I go 11 Armored Hulk/2 Fighter/7 Stalwart Defender?

 

[Haplo]

Armored Hulk? But... why? Just to move faster in heavy armor?
Seems to be a weak subclass to me.

 

[J1M]

Btw, the save files are just json inside zip files with a different extension, so you may find it easier to play with character builds by changing your experience points to 4 million in the party.json file and updating the archive.

Then you can load your save and level up in-game.

 

[santino27]

My latest playthrough (of chapter 1-2 while waiting for a patch). Far from an optimal build, I think, but I like to play melee, and toy with the companions given us:

Me: Scaled fist 3/pal 2/scaled fist 15
amiri - barb 2 / 2hf 7 / barb 13
jaethal - inq 3 / invulnerable rager 17
octavia - rog 1 / wiz 4 / at 10 / wiz 5
linzi - bard 7 / ek 10 / bard 10
harrim - cleric 20

What to do with jaethal was a bit of a question, because I don't love having 4 melees and having her be ranged seemed a waste of inq. (In another playthrough, I made her a dragon bloodline sorcerer because boosting her cha also boosts her hps and an undead dragon (dracolich) is neat.) Once I dropped valerie though (I like jaethal way more than val), I needed a tank/off-tank and decided to take her to invulnerable rager to use the self-damaging great sword you get later. I am debating going 3 inq just for the solo tactics... you lose 1dr and resists from barb, but the tradeoff seems like a no-brainer.

Harrim is straight cleric because I want cleric spells asap (and don't like playing one with my mc). I like that he is more durable than tristian but his crap dex makes putting him in the back lines with a crossbow problematic.

In early going, my monk is tissue paper, but now that ac is starting to stack, things are evening out, and the beginning is pretty easy, regardless, not counting wererats.

 

[Sheepherder]

Do you think Augmented Summoning is worth it for a ranger? I'd be getting it at level 11. +4 to both STR and CON seem nice, but it's two feats and I'd like to get saves feats or blind fighting.

 

[Vulpes]

Can anyone tell me how sneak attacks work in this game? Is flanking the only requirement? What if you're under the effect of greater invisibility? Do all attacks get the bonus damage or just the first one? What if you're a spellcaster? Does it apply to melee and ranged touch spells? If so, how do spells like Scorching Ray work? Do you get a sneak attack bonus on each ray or just the first one that hits?

 

[Sheepherder]

Can anyone tell me how sneak attacks work in this game? Is flanking the only requirement? What if you're under the effect of greater invisibility? Do all attacks get the bonus damage or just the first one? What if you're a spellcaster? Does it apply to melee and ranged touch spells? If so, how do spells like Scorching Ray work? Do you get a sneak attack bonus on each ray or just the first one that hits?

Great Invis. allows you to sneak attack as long as it lasts, provided enemies don't have something like true sight.
All attacks get the sneak attack bonus including shield bash, nice when dual wielding.
Spell casting is kinda weird, I'm not sure it's supposed to apply but a 1 vivisectionist/9 eldritch archer/10 arcane trickster using Scorching Ray does sneak attack on with each ray AND the bow attack. Dunno if AoE spells apply sneak attacks.

 

[Reinhardt]

In main thread people saying you finish game on lvl 15-16, so don't go overboard with late bloomers.

Also i need help. I want pure support arcane caster - buffs, summons, bit of cc. What is the best choice for this job?