Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker Builds and Strats Thread

[Lawntoilet]

+2

same as all other characters if they have quest bonuses. Jaethal for example gets +2 to dex wis cha

Nice, thanks!

 

[Yosharian]

That's a bug. It should be 1 round of stun (Fortitude negates) and 4d6 rounds of deafness (Fortitude halves).

Haha what the fuck

It's not even close to what it should be

For fuck's sake

 

[Shadenuat]

Can you use Gaze on creatures which you don't see? Like say combat invis and you fail Spot.
Well guess it all has no point since you can't turn your backs on gazers either since game doesn't understand directions, so there are no real ways of avoiding gaze as RAW you look into creatures eyes when you attack it.

Also I don't see any mothafucking 20+ innate MR on wild hunters, unless I don't know something about fey, planar creatures or their relation to first world, or 20% innate concealment

Anyway endgame enemies are Bestiary 6 page 278 and below
Just don't forget to multiply it all by x1.5-x2 depending on difficulty and add innate MR + Concealment
Oh and their Gaze is not Gaze at all
Aside from that even their saving throws and stats are surprisingly accurate, but endgame variants seem to be greatly buffed. Also due how to flanking/sneak attack works their crystal spam at will just shreds you regardless of AC. Their Slay Living is also in and they seem to deliver it through eldritch archer abilities.

Hilariously but Power Word Blind does seem to protect against Wild Hunt paralyze. Yet blinding THEM does not. Also no Blind usage protects from Medusa. Even if Gaze mechanics are all feel broken. So if you're totally out of free actions... also I think I saw 1 Mirrored item in game. If it works, that is also an option. Also, if you have Blindsight you should be able to close eyes and fight but that's not in game too.

 

[Yosharian]

I'd forgive a lot of that if they could implement spells correctly and release the game in a decent state

 

[Deleted Member 16721]

So here's a cool strat I use. Formation has Valerie on top, my Archaeologist, Amiri and Jaethal behind a ways, Harrim (for now, until Tristian replaces him) slightly closer to Valerie and Jubilost in the back. Amiri and Jaethal each have Outflank and Precise Strike, and are using 6 ft. weapons (Glaive and Longspear, respectively). Valerie draws attention and they flank the shit out of enemies in front of her. I give her everything I can to boost her AC, and she now has Shield Wall along with my Archaeologist who is using a heavy shield, thus giving them both +2 AC bonuses to their shields. A lot of times she's almost impossible to hit at level 6. AC is only 33 or so, but I also wear the Woodland Aegis which gives me Barkskin to cast on her, and Jubilost has Infusion so he can cast Barkskin, too. As long as the formation holds properly (I sent my Archaeologist and Harrim to flank as well, and enemies don't keep coming and focus on anyone else, it works well. It's amazing how hard she can be to hit. If on the other hand it turns into a melee, my Arch. goes down quick. As long as she keeps aggro we're golden. For now. About to fight the Troll King so here's hoping it won't be a total massacre against us.

 

[Shadenuat]

Transformation for everyone from lvl 16

Didn't find it very useful aside from resistances like immunity to criticals when turned into Elemental.

Some natural attacks seem kinda bugged (the amount of them).

And you are fighting DR15 things with natural attacks and lose all your late game weapon bonuses, a lot of them. Maybe with Druid buffs n stuff...

 

[Yosharian]

Transformation for everyone from lvl 16

Didn't find it very useful aside from resistances like immunity to criticals when turned into Elemental.

Some natural attacks seem kinda bugged (the amount of them).

And you are fighting DR15 things with natural attacks and lose all your late game weapon bonuses, a lot of them. Maybe with Druid buffs n stuff...

Tenser's Transformation, he's talking about..

 

[Shadenuat]

Its bonuses are Enhancement so don't really stack with items.

 

[Yosharian]

Its bonuses are Enhancement so don't really stack with items.

Sure, but it gives a pretty huge BAB bonus to any 3/4 or 1/2 class, and a big Nat AC bonus. Main issue is spellcasting being disabled.

 

[Luckmann]

That's a bug. It should be 1 round of stun (Fortitude negates) and 4d6 rounds of deafness (Fortitude halves).

That is not a bug. It is arguably unbalanced, broken, poor implementation, or similar, but the spell does exactly what it says it should do.

Again, say it with me: Assuming that everything works and is meant to work as in the PnP is retarded.

Also, poor game design is not a bug. A bug implies something is unintentional, not working as designed, or otherwise the result of bad coding. I lamented the fact that you could not see the game version number anywhere in the game, a couple of pages back. That was recently patched in. But it was never a bug, it was just an oversight.

Haha what the fuck

It's not even close to what it should be

For fuck's sake

I'd forgive a lot of that if they could implement spells correctly and release the game in a decent state

Point in case.

 

[Shadenuat]

Its bonuses are Enhancement so don't really stack with items.

Sure, but it gives a pretty huge BAB bonus to any 3/4 or 1/2 class, and a big Nat AC bonus. Main issue is spellcasting being disabled.

I guess

But why wouldn't you want use spells at that point when your Alch can actually do it is a question

 

[Yosharian]

Stun with no save is broken as fuck.

 

[Luckmann]

Rules question:

If you get an alchemist with infusion, he can cast shield on any friendly target. Is this intended or a bug?


It seems *really* strong.

Your alchemist is not casting anything, he's just being friendly and passing the bottle around.

Does it actually work in-game, though?

yeah it does. infusion is pretty great. the whole point of the ability is that it lets you cast this stuff on other people.

As an FYI, it doesn't just work like that in-game, but it's the same in the PnP, where the implementation was explicitly clarified in an FAQ, but referred to as a "loophole". Despite this being many years of active publishing and developmemt ago, this "hole" was never plugged, suggesting that if that implementation was not intentional when the Alchemist was designed, it is now.

 

[Haplo]

That's a bug. It should be 1 round of stun (Fortitude negates) and 4d6 rounds of deafness (Fortitude halves).

That is not a bug. It is arguably unbalanced, broken, poor implementation, or similar, but the spell does exactly what it says it should do.

Again, say it with me: Assuming that everything works and is meant to work as in the PnP is retarded.

Also, poor game design is not a bug. A bug implies something is unintentional, not working as designed, or otherwise the result of bad coding. I lamented the fact that you could not see the game version number anywhere in the game, a couple of pages back. That was recently patched in. But it was never a bug, it was just an oversight.

Haha what the fuck

It's not even close to what it should be

For fuck's sake

I'd forgive a lot of that if they could implement spells correctly and release the game in a decent state

Point in case.

It might not technically be a bug. But it's a terrible implementation, where a cone aoe DAMAGE spell from EVOCATION school is hard CC with NO SAVE and outshines single target, dedicated CC spells from other schools, which have no damage component.

 

[moraes]

Ok, it's not a bug, just a terrible and arguably mistaken implementation. They where probably late in crunch hours and misread 4d6 rounds of deafness for 4d6 rounds of stun, sleep deprivation will do that to you.

 

[VentilatorOfDoom]

I think they just didn't implement the deafness status effect and therefor they consciously decided to change the effect to one they already had implemented.

 

[Zero Credibility]

Either way this is not a good solution. There's a world of difference between 4d6 rounds of deafened and 4d6 rounds of stunned.

 

[Luckmann]

That's a bug. It should be 1 round of stun (Fortitude negates) and 4d6 rounds of deafness (Fortitude halves).

That is not a bug. It is arguably unbalanced, broken, poor implementation, or similar, but the spell does exactly what it says it should do.

Again, say it with me: Assuming that everything works and is meant to work as in the PnP is retarded.

Also, poor game design is not a bug. A bug implies something is unintentional, not working as designed, or otherwise the result of bad coding. I lamented the fact that you could not see the game version number anywhere in the game, a couple of pages back. That was recently patched in. But it was never a bug, it was just an oversight.

Haha what the fuck

It's not even close to what it should be

For fuck's sake

I'd forgive a lot of that if they could implement spells correctly and release the game in a decent state

Point in case.

It might not technically be a bug. But it's a terrible implementation, where a cone aoe DAMAGE spell from EVOCATION school is hard CC with NO SAVE and outshines single target, dedicated CC spells from other schools, which have no damage component.

If the implementation is terrible is entirely dependent on what they wanted to implement. However, I agree that it's fucking crazy powerful. I don't think it is entirely in error, however, because if the spell had worked like in the PnP, it would have been near-useless in the PF:K CRPG, because Deafness has effects that are mechanically meaningless, nevermind absent narrative aspects (as a DM, I would emphasize how enemies react to being deaf, or how animals would become disoriented or maybe even run away, etc).

That said, instead of Deafened, they could've used Dazed, rather than the considerably more (crazily) powerful Stunned, or combined with a momentary Prone. They've made an effort to be as close to the PnP rules, however, and seem unwilling to make up their own fitting conditions, which is probably how they ended up with this.

 

[VentilatorOfDoom]

4d6 rounds of daze, fortitude halves for guaranteed 2d6 rounds CC, that sound also plenty powerful

 

[ArchAngel]

That's a bug. It should be 1 round of stun (Fortitude negates) and 4d6 rounds of deafness (Fortitude halves).

That is not a bug. It is arguably unbalanced, broken, poor implementation, or similar, but the spell does exactly what it says it should do.

Again, say it with me: Assuming that everything works and is meant to work as in the PnP is retarded.

Also, poor game design is not a bug. A bug implies something is unintentional, not working as designed, or otherwise the result of bad coding. I lamented the fact that you could not see the game version number anywhere in the game, a couple of pages back. That was recently patched in. But it was never a bug, it was just an oversight.

Haha what the fuck

It's not even close to what it should be

For fuck's sake

I'd forgive a lot of that if they could implement spells correctly and release the game in a decent state

Point in case.

It might not technically be a bug. But it's a terrible implementation, where a cone aoe DAMAGE spell from EVOCATION school is hard CC with NO SAVE and outshines single target, dedicated CC spells from other schools, which have no damage component.

If the implementation is terrible is entirely dependent on what they wanted to implement. However, I agree that it's fucking crazy powerful. I don't think it is entirely in error, however, because if the spell had worked like in the PnP, it would have been near-useless in the PF:K CRPG, because Deafness has effects that are mechanically meaningless, nevermind absent narrative aspects (as a DM, I would emphasize how enemies react to being deaf, or how animals would become disoriented or maybe even run away, etc).

That said, instead of Deafened, they could've used Dazed, rather than the considerably more (crazily) powerful Stunned, or combined with a momentary Prone. They've made an effort to be as close to the PnP rules, however, and seem unwilling to make up their own fitting conditions, which is probably how they ended up with this.

Daze is already too powerful as it removes your actions. Shaken should have been used at best.

 

[Yosharian]

The solution is don't put the fucking spell in the game.

 

[moraes]

If they really want the spell but can't make a faithful implementation they should just set it to 1 round of stun/Fort. neg. and forget about deafness.

 

[Shadenuat]

Stun 1 round, if Fortitude > Shaken sounds (getit. sounds.) reasonable to me

Thing is though, anything which is good Fortitude CC is a hard counter for endgame enemies and Fey in general. They all have naturally high Will and Reflex but that is their major weakness.

Also Shout seems to ignore MR completely.

 

[Shadenuat]

No man come on. It basically find group of enemies: do the thing > murder

Friendly fire, come on lol, same for prismatic spray or whatever. set your dudes ai off with a click and Stop, buff haste and run around disabling anything > click ai on and drink tea.

 

[panda]

The spell is not all that broken for the following reasons:

1. Limited uses.
2. Very high level slot. It should be quite powerful.
3. Tactically limited due to friendly fire.

It is nothing to sneeze at, sure. But it is not completely out of place.

Well, technically fucking Linzi can cast it maximized 3 times at lvl16, so it is not that limited. And you can remove stun from your grunts with heal.
This spell is "lol i win" button right now.