Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[skaraher]

Encounters weren't balanced for TB

 

[Desiderius]

I don't get multiclassing in this game. You start as a fighter and can just pick a class in monk or sorcerer on level-up? why?

It's a newb trap.

Most of your progress comes from class levels.

 

[Desiderius]

Turnbased mode feels like a cheat.

That's because you suck. We all did, then you get better.

Try 'v' button in RTwP to advance time frame by frame and turn on timers above the heads of characters so you can see turn order.

You can do things like interrupt spells and Charge zerg in RTwP that you can't in TB.

 

[skaraher]

Well you can cheese surprise round in TB so it all balances itself in the end

 

[Desiderius]

Well you can cheese surprise round in TB so it all balances itself in the end

Like this?

Don't need TB for that.

 

[std::namespace]

That's because you suck. We all did, then you get better.

I mean, I'm very proud of you - you learned to stack numbers... Is this like a second grade achievement?
Gotta be vevy smart to outwit the Alpha Core AI monster before it kills itself...

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(i love how the fireball looks... cant wait for other spell effects)

TB has a bit of an advantage over RT in places when pathfinding is concerned. It does not get stuck. While RT chickens run around or get stuck if you present some kind of bottleneck with alternative path.

Peak tactics on Hard, level 4, unprepared (before I got Octavia...): Select All and hope you roll couple of crits, F8

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(it didnt work out after 11 tries... xD)

Now this was Fun. I finally, on Level 4, got a Wizard and figured by now that damage spells aint gonna do Jack and Shit on Hard so I picked blindly with Octavia Grease, Web, Cats Grace +4 Dex, Reduce Person +2 Dex +1 AC.
I was moving to the Stag Lord and ran across this flat top location. Saw the bodies, went Stealth with PC rogue, spotted the Doggo first too, attacked, got got. F8. Had no Silver (is there even silver in the game?)
Had Wand of Magic Missile 1 kek and a Scroll of Lighting that I was holding on for special occasion. Octavia saw first combat. Web and Grease stack and are OP. Poor Doggo couldnt even get up out of 2 Grease and 2 Web on him...
I was dicking around on frist attempt too, thats why all my the people are webbed too...

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(i love how the lightning looks... cant wait for other spelleffects - fucking unexpected pretty)

Otherwise the game is pretty meh. The writting is so lame so far...

The combat has been pretty fucking terrible up till now. Show Tank, select all and try to gib the enemies before they gib you... Pray that they dont retarget on squishies. Sometimes you focus down a caster/archer instead of showing Tank.
The first fun encounter was Tartucio-whatshisname and he NUKED HIMSELF LOL. Thats why it was hilarious.
And now with Web and Grease there is some Movement involved. But really, what it does is split a group so you can focus them down separately.

 

[turkishronin]

(i love how the fireball looks... cant wait for other spell effects)

I think boss fights are meant to be turn-based. That's why the mage guy literally casts fireball at his own balls and kills himself if you get close to him fast in real time combat

 

[skaraher]

(i love how the fireball looks... cant wait for other spell effects)

I think boss fights are meant to be turn-based. That's why the mage guy literally casts fireball at his own balls and kills himself if you get close to him fast in real time combat

There wasnt turn base for 2 years after release, it was retrofitted into the game.

 

[Desiderius]

RTwP is turn-based, it just lets everyone move out of turn, but not act.

 

[std::namespace]

Btw, the game is bad...

...the AI does not see persistent AOE effects at all... none.
When I finally got a caster right before the Staglord fight, I tried all the AOE I have up to level 2 and its blind and completely and utterly retarded.
It targets Undead with spells that should not apply to them.

This is worse than Pillars1 and vanilla BG1 - a 30 year old game. Geez, where was all the praise coming from for this shit? Its trash. Well, I guess it has some CnC of the cliche variety.

The combat is FULL of pointless trashmobs. Spiders spiders spiders spiders spiders spiders spiders spiders spiders worms worms worms worms worms worms worms worms worms worms wolfs wolfs wolfs wolfs
Has anyone played this?

The locations are idiotic: tiny map -> monster fight -> loot. All of them!
Boring and grinding overland exploration.

The writing is childish.

The loot is more hilariously thrown around than BG2! Random level 3 bandits have a +3 AC dagger, 2d6 extra channeling dmg cap, and gold AND they live next to a green dragon monster under a bridge. Wtf.

Looting random garbage all over the maps! Wow! Gachi after 30 years of progress!

Find TWELVE! 12! FUCKING TWELVE! I thought I read wrong! pieces of shit and get an item! Ahaha. And I thought "ooh nice item part" when the very first Perception check found a secret... Now I hate them.

Whats the point of the kingdom managment? Boredom induction? Adventure interruption? What!?

Its STILL has a bunch of superficial bugs

Im gonna go apologize in the Solasta thread, I thought Solasta is bad.

 

[Dishonoredbr]

When I finally got a caster right before the Staglord fight, I tried all the AOE I have up to level 2 and its blind and completely and utterly retarded.

All you need is Grease boy Grease them up

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

Impressive, very nice.

Now let's see your steam profile.

 

[std::namespace]

Troll fortress gameplay:
trolls hounds trollls trolls trollgs hounds hounds trolls trolls hounds hound hounds trolls trolls trollls
what
the
hell...

The only way to tolerate this is to turn Story Mode on and left click until you get to the boss - thats what I did. But this ruins the """immersion""" of an actual location.

The only fun thing I found is that the Outflank feat can chain trigger crits and attacks of opportunity when a crit triggers an attack of opportunity.

 

[std::namespace]

Impressive, very nice.

Now let's see your steam profile.

 

[std::namespace]

When I finally got a caster right before the Staglord fight, I tried all the AOE I have up to level 2 and its blind and completely and utterly retarded.

All you need is Grease boy Grease them up

And Web, it might actually be worth it to go Greater Spell Focus Conjuration for Grease alone...
Though one has to admit that it wont work on the Trollking but than you pick Glitterdust... Its just so braindead.

 

[Aarwolf]

Though one has to admit that it wont work on the Trollking

He likes to laugh, you know. Very likes.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

When I finally got a caster right before the Staglord fight, I tried all the AOE I have up to level 2 and its blind and completely and utterly retarded.

All you need is Grease boy Grease them up

 

[skaraher]

Troll fortress is easy on challenging, git gud, use Ekundayo and Jubilost and dont forget to Haste for the bossfight.

 

[turkishronin]

Whats the point of the kingdom managment?

Padding gameplay hours I guess? I heard the second one also has mandatory HoMM section lol.
But it's definitely better than BG1. Like on every single level.

 

[Delterius]

Whats the point of the kingdom managment?

Padding gameplay hours I guess? I heard the second one also has mandatory HoMM section lol.
But it's definitely better than BG1. Like on every single level.

imagine not wanting to rp a king in the kingmaker rpg smdh skill issue etc

 

[turkishronin]

Whats the point of the kingdom managment?

Padding gameplay hours I guess? I heard the second one also has mandatory HoMM section lol.
But it's definitely better than BG1. Like on every single level.

imagine not wanting to rp a king in the kingmaker rpg smdh skill issue etc

It's immersion breaking when the king personally disappears for weeks to kill goblins and trolls

 

[Delterius]

Whats the point of the kingdom managment?

Padding gameplay hours I guess? I heard the second one also has mandatory HoMM section lol.
But it's definitely better than BG1. Like on every single level.

imagine not wanting to rp a king in the kingmaker rpg smdh skill issue etc

It's immersion breaking when the king personally disappears for weeks to kill goblins and trolls

by chapter 2 your lands comprise of a newly founded village in a desolate land with some colonists of nearby brevoy and rest of the river kingdoms. formally speaking you're only a 'baron', most of the money available to the state is from the king's own purse and the overall plotline of kingmaker is about the making/founding of the kingdom. by the game's end your kingdom is the size of two city states (and remains sparsely populated as the entire region is).

 

[Aarwolf]

It's immersion breaking when the king personally disappears for weeks to kill goblins and trolls

But this is preciselly how most kingdoms came to be and were through the ages - it was a leader with his retinue endlessly traveling through his domain. Even a thing like a one capital city was not that common in the middle ages.

 

[sebas]

It's immersion breaking when the king personally disappears for weeks to kill goblins and trolls

They're rampaging towards the edges of your newly found domain so what better boost could a new king have other than going to kill some brutes in the name of protecting his people?

 

[VerSacrum]

Whats the point of the kingdom managment?

Padding gameplay hours I guess? I heard the second one also has mandatory HoMM section lol.
But it's definitely better than BG1. Like on every single level.

imagine not wanting to rp a king in the kingmaker rpg smdh skill issue etc

It's immersion breaking when the king personally disappears for weeks to kill goblins and trolls

Substitute goblins with saracens and the french and that's exactly what medieval Kangs used to do. Kind of the point of feudalism, delegating day to day administration of the kingdom to your loyal knights and ministers.