Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Mr. Magniloquent]

I only had a few annoyances with kingdom management:

1. Hidden gates and kingdom category interactions. The player needs to know how these progress. No information provided about how things unlock make the first attempt irritating.
2. Advisors could only fill specific roles, rather than suffer a penalty for which they weren't suited. Having roles go unfilled was irritating.
3. Not allowing PC to fill an "advisor" role. Certain actions can't be taken without the role being filled. Advisor is a misnomer. They're more of a minister.

I overall enjoyed the game, but I always recommend people use a guide on kingdom management even for their first run.

 

[std::namespace]

Troll fortress is easy on challenging, git gud, use Ekundayo and Jubilost and dont forget to Haste for the bossfight.

But it's definitely better than BG1. Like on every single level.

The only thing it does a little bit better is CnC and I personally dont care. Whats the point if writing is shit idontcare.
Like everything else is worse. Like literally nothing is good about this game. Nothing. It looks nice in place and Its tolerable for buildfags.
Like a found a cape that gives trip on bite attacks (in a random meaningless place as all the loot in this trash gaem) so that barb feat that gives a bite attack suddenly became interesting but then again who gives a shit if all I do is cast AOE disables and left click?

Also, I picked human rogue to get Dirty Trick faster - thinking myself clever - turned out its 3 wasted feats (combat maneuvers, dexbased, dirtytrick) because its literally impossible to land on anything I'd want it on, on Hard.

I came back from Troll fortress like a week ago irl and havent started the game up since. Its certified shit.

Take a guess why enemy Alchemists have no friendly fire?

cumbatz

need immunity...

 

[Aarwolf]

Like everything else is worse. Like literally nothing is good about this game. Nothing.

Are you a masochist? If I hate a game, I just uninstal it. Why should I suffer?

Or maybe you're just another attention seeking whiner, then ok, please continue, that's what codex's for.

 

[std::namespace]

What part of "I havent played it in a week" have you not understood?

 

[Bigfass]

Now this was Fun. I finally, on Level 4, got a Wizard and figured by now that damage spells aint gonna do Jack and Shit on Hard so I picked blindly with Octavia Grease, Web, Cats Grace +4 Dex, Reduce Person +2 Dex +1 AC.

First of all, if you have no idea what you're doing, play on a low difficulty.

Second, casters can one-shot dragons on Unfair.

Third, what the fuck are you doing playing a game you hate, and then shitting up a forum about it?

I thought it was a great game. Not perfect, but solid. I'm not bothered if you don't like it though.

 

[Aarwolf]

You had to endure about ~15-20 hours of that game to get to Trobold, find time to make screenshots and run a spergspree here.

I wouldn't care if I were you, but ok, be another resident drama queen, we have here plenty

 

[Inhabitants of Khorinis]

What part of "I havent played it in a week" have you not understood?

"I tried eating shit the other day. I hated it. Anyway, it's been a week since then, let's try some more of that shit..."

 

[turkishronin]

You need to have at least 100 hours in the game to be qualified as a certified hater

 

[skaraher]

With some hindsight, I think Kingmaker encounter design is superior to WOTR. Also lol at the simpleton who's bitching because he's got filtered by the fucking troll fortress. If you're filtered by a simple dungeon with only two new types of ennemies who are rather straightforward to deal with, can't wait to see what it'll be when you'll be going against Defaced Sisters and Soul Eaters.

 

[Bigfass]

With some hindsight, I think Kingmaker encounter design is superior to WOTR.

All of KM is superior to WOTR. I could be wrong, I never got past the tedious boredom that's the Demon City in WOTR, but I feel like that's deep enough to form an opinion.

 

[Average Manatee]

With some hindsight, I think Kingmaker encounter design is superior to WOTR. Also lol at the simpleton who's bitching because he's got filtered by the fucking troll fortress. If you're filtered by a simple dungeon with only two new types of ennemies who are rather straightforward to deal with, can't wait to see what it'll be when you'll be going against Defaced Sisters and Soul Eaters.

WotR is definitely heavily let down by the fact that there's only about 5 different types of enemies past Drezen

 

[EdgyRightWinger]

[retardation]

If you're not going to use buffs, at least lower the difficulty.

 

[skaraher]

With some hindsight, I think Kingmaker encounter design is superior to WOTR.

All of KM is superior to WOTR. I could be wrong, I never got past the tedious boredom that's the Demon City in WOTR, but I feel like that's deep enough to form an opinion.

I kinda liked Demon city.

 

[Ryzer]

With some hindsight, I think Kingmaker encounter design is superior to WOTR.

All of KM is superior to WOTR. I could be wrong, I never got past the tedious boredom that's the Demon City in WOTR, but I feel like that's deep enough to form an opinion.

I kinda liked Demon city.

It almost felt like the beginning of Baldur's gate 2 where you wander in the city and discover.

Great moment tbh.

 

[Desiderius]

its literally impossible to land on anything I'd want it on, on Hard

I did more Disarming than Dirty Tricks in P:K but it's doable.

 

[volklore]

With some hindsight, I think Kingmaker encounter design is superior to WOTR.

All of KM is superior to WOTR. I could be wrong, I never got past the tedious boredom that's the Demon City in WOTR, but I feel like that's deep enough to form an opinion.

I kinda liked Demon city.

It almost felt like the beginning of Baldur's gate 2 where you wander in the city and discover.

Great moment tbh.

Loved demon city to bits. I thought the fights were quite cool too.
Having a break from the minigame was good.

 

[std::namespace]

I did more Disarming than Dirty Tricks in P:K but it's doable.

The last one is Dirty, and you have a hilarious +46 mods on it, wat. Does True Strike apply to it? -edit- It does! I havent invested in Use Magic Device for nothing! I mgiht actually play this further now...
Also, realistic with 31 CMD, I'd have to roll 19 to land it with +12 on anything decent. This will never land for me. I would forgo a sneak attack too...

Or maybe you're just another attention seeking whiner, then ok, please continue, that's what codex's for.

Or maybe you are just a moron? Someone shit on my anal love gayme! WAAAAAAAAAH

First of all, if you have no idea what you're doing, play on a low difficulty.

First of all, what part of the game being shit and trivial did you not understand? What part of troll troll troll troll trolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltroll requires thought?
Especially since the greate gayme is NOT CAPABLE to step one meter to the side? Its fucking shit! HELLOOOOO! WAKE UUUUP! ARE YOU AS DUUMB AS THE GAME AI!?
Let me guess, dragons are immune to grease web and so its a biiiiig tactikewl super hard fight thats solved with 1 direct dmg spell! You sure are a GIANT OF TOUGHT!

Second, casters can one-shot dragons on Unfair.

Second, no one gives a shit who casters can one shot if your encounters consist of literal trash for 95% of the gaem.
Neither have a bearing on what I said. Because up to char L6 (thats as far as I got) any direct dmg spells are absolute trash compared to buffing melees and aoe denial. Why, are you gonna cast Molten Ball or Web&Grease thats gonna disable anything and give AOO for 5 minutes straight. Isnt that like 100h of gametime as some of the local faggots, defenders of thy lady's honor, profess?

I thought it was a great game. Not perfect, but solid. I'm not bothered if you don't like it though.

You thought wrong cause you are a tasteless shit consumer. The game is objectively broken, repetitive, with idiotic design and terrible writing. Its bothering you cause you realize the truth and have to deflect somehow.

You had to endure about ~15-20 hours of that game to get to Trobold, find time to make screenshots and run a spergspree here.

I wouldn't care if I were you, but ok, be another resident drama queen, we have here plenty

Yes yes yes, you couldnt bear saying this once to protect your gay lovers honor so you had to repeat yourself. Just to be sure. Tell me more who much you love Bugfinder!

If you're not going to use buffs, at least lower the difficulty.

The Dex now argues on the level of 4chins anime fanboys kek. Sad!

 

[turkishronin]

I mgiht actually play this further now

Haha this is how this game will lock you into an abusive relationship! You will keep coming back to it each time thinking "maybe it will improve if I play it this way" and by the time you notice you've already finished the game 7 times.

 

[Desiderius]

you have a hilarious +46 mods on it

I know, right?

Must have been feeling lazy and didn’t cast any buffs.

 

[skaraher]

First of all, what part of the game being shit and trivial did you not understand? What part of troll troll troll troll trolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltroll requires thought?

You can litterally dispatch most trolls with auto-attacks, just git good.

 

[Desiderius]

First of all, what part of the game being shit and trivial did you not understand? What part of troll troll troll troll trolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltroll requires thought?

You can litterally dispatch most trolls with auto-attacks, just git good.

The two extremes of suck.

Trolls are preview for Zombie Giants. They have exploitable weaknesses but if you don't exploit them effectively they will punish you. It isn't an auto-attack game.

 

[Desiderius]

Because up to char L6 (thats as far as I got) any direct dmg spells are absolute trash compared to buffing melees and aoe denial. Why, are you gonna cast Molten Ball or Web&Grease thats gonna disable anything and give AOO for 5 minutes straight. Isnt that like 100h of gametime as some of the local faggots, defenders of thy lady's honor, profess?

You should be lvl 8 for Trobold. Maybe that's why you're struggling. People who complain about "trash" are telling you that fights that should last three rounds are taking them too long because they're using poor spells (Grease is lvl 1 spell, does no damage, and is not enemy-only) and needing multiple reloads so they're taking too long.

Git gud.

Octavia can do decent damage with Rays there, but it's kind of made to take advantage of Jewb's abilities. Force Bomb > Grease, but Tanglefoot owns. Likewise Ekud and Harrim get specific and meaningful bonuses vs Giant/Trolls, and Linzi's Fascinate works well against them set up by Archon's Aura from Harrim (who has +4AC if they attack him, with Giantslayer Clasp and Barkskin from Jewb he's a good tank there).

 

[volklore]

Trolls have shitty will and shitty reflex. They are so weak to any good control spell/alch bomb/archon's really anything that companions are loaded with. You can also just web and let your ranged deal with them from afar while Valerie picks them up if they manage to escape the web.
So many ways you can deal with them.
This thread makes me wanna replay hmm.

 

[Grunker]

This guy is me if I changed all my posts in the Elden Ring thread to "this game sucks i cant even stagger bosses with my dagger"

The first step to gitting gud is accepting that it isn't the game sucking - it's you

 

[scytheavatar]

First of all, what part of the game being shit and trivial did you not understand? What part of troll troll troll troll trolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltroll requires thought?

You can litterally dispatch most trolls with auto-attacks, just git good.

The two extremes of suck.

Trolls are preview for Zombie Giants. They have exploitable weaknesses but if you don't exploit them effectively they will punish you. It isn't an auto-attack game.

You are likely to have more problems with fucking Wolves and the fights in the Witch hut area than with the trolls...... just cast Haste and Trolls are easy to deal with.