Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[cretin]

Real time with pause is superior. I spent maybe about 30-60 min last night trying to push through the corridor in Pitax Royal Palace, and 30 more today, having cleared the palace in turn based. But the Skyrim meme 9 stealth archer up on the ledge just destroyed my casters in the first turn, plus the archers in the main group. Ridicules, playing on unfair. I tried using mass teleport through Linzis Escapist's crossbow to the archers, but turn based everybody gets to shoot at me and run up before I could get anything up.

On another try I accidentally hit the button to turn off turn based, imagine my fucking surprise when all my melee guys insta gibbs all the archers before the main enemy group even starts moving about, I manage to get Linzi to throw a Cacaphouns Call mass at the main group in the frenzy of it all and it got basically everybody, only the golems and troll left which was no problem for my guys, a wrap. Whole thing was over in less than a minute. Turn based really don't give any favours when you are fighting a large enemy mass won't use it anymore unless it is against some solo boss or anything where all the quick actions and stuff actually matters. It's just so ridicules to see your party wiped first turn while standing around holding their dick, reality is not turn based.

Ironically, this makes a stronger case for TB since it helps shore up AI weaknesses by letting them actually get to do impactful things before the player just zerg balls them. All you're saying is RTWP is easier.

 

[Yosharian]

Actually RTWP can be more challenging. The AI is faster to switch to new targets in RTWP when they are having trouble hitting your tank. Quite a bit faster.

 

[Average Manatee]

I've definitely found it easier to hold aggro for a turn or two in rtwp than tb

 

[Litmanen]

Having any women in your frontline is disgusting.

I prefer women in my party, so that I can see boobs and ass every single day. You should do the same, it would help you

 

[Fargus]

Tried this game in turn based and... is it supposed to be this broken, when your party members go in an opposite direction for a stroll in the woods instead of attacking or can't find proper pathing to go back and just loop around like retards? Some "Pathfinder".

It's still much more preffered than chaos of RTWP. I just don't want to experience the joy of controling multiple party members in real time again like i used to in BG games. Too old for this shit.

 

[Ryzer]

Tried this game in turn based and... is it supposed to be this broken, when your party members go in an opposite direction for a stroll in the woods instead of attacking or can't find proper pathing to go back and just loop around like retards? Some "Pathfinder".

It's still much more preffered than chaos of RTWP. I just don't want to experience the joy of controling multiple party members in real time again like i used to in BG games. Too old for this shit.

Do you like it? I thought you would rather eat broken glass than play another Owlcat game.

 

[Fargus]

Tried this game in turn based and... is it supposed to be this broken, when your party members go in an opposite direction for a stroll in the woods instead of attacking or can't find proper pathing to go back and just loop around like retards? Some "Pathfinder".

It's still much more preffered than chaos of RTWP. I just don't want to experience the joy of controling multiple party members in real time again like i used to in BG games. Too old for this shit.

Do you like it? I thought you would rather eat broken glass than play another Owlcat game.

Friend convinced me. I had it in my library for years but never commited. It's alright so far and as i understand should be less faggy than unmodded Wrath. The characters can be pretty annoying though.

 

[Cael]

Tried this game in turn based and... is it supposed to be this broken, when your party members go in an opposite direction for a stroll in the woods instead of attacking or can't find proper pathing to go back and just loop around like retards? Some "Pathfinder".

It's still much more preffered than chaos of RTWP. I just don't want to experience the joy of controling multiple party members in real time again like i used to in BG games. Too old for this shit.

Do you like it? I thought you would rather eat broken glass than play another Owlcat game.

Friend convinced me. I had it in my library for years but never commited. It's alright so far and as i understand should be less faggy than unmodded Wrath. The characters can be pretty annoying though.

They are all variations of "I am so oppressed because I am female/orc. Feel my angst! Romance my angst! I can out-angst a 14-year old goth at a thousand paces! Worship my angst!!!"

 

[the mole]

Tried this game in turn based and... is it supposed to be this broken, when your party members go in an opposite direction for a stroll in the woods instead of attacking or can't find proper pathing to go back and just loop around like retards? Some "Pathfinder".

It's still much more preffered than chaos of RTWP. I just don't want to experience the joy of controling multiple party members in real time again like i used to in BG games. Too old for this shit.

Do you like it? I thought you would rather eat broken glass than play another Owlcat game.

Friend convinced me. I had it in my library for years but never commited. It's alright so far and as i understand should be less faggy than unmodded Wrath. The characters can be pretty annoying though.

They are all variations of "I am so oppressed because I am female/orc. Feel my angst! Romance my angst! I can out-angst a 14-year old goth at a thousand paces! Worship my angst!!!"

I'll worship her angus

 

[Fargus]

Duh, i'm an idiot. Pathing wasn't a bug it was actually how "scare" works in this game and i just failed to see it. While the fear status removes control over party member, scare just makes them go opposite direction when close to enemy while not taking away control completely.

Tried this game in turn based and... is it supposed to be this broken, when your party members go in an opposite direction for a stroll in the woods instead of attacking or can't find proper pathing to go back and just loop around like retards? Some "Pathfinder".

It's still much more preffered than chaos of RTWP. I just don't want to experience the joy of controling multiple party members in real time again like i used to in BG games. Too old for this shit.

Do you like it? I thought you would rather eat broken glass than play another Owlcat game.

Friend convinced me. I had it in my library for years but never commited. It's alright so far and as i understand should be less faggy than unmodded Wrath. The characters can be pretty annoying though.

They are all variations of "I am so oppressed because I am female/orc. Feel my angst! Romance my angst! I can out-angst a 14-year old goth at a thousand paces! Worship my angst!!!"

Yeah, seems like a common theme. The writing is badly comical at times.

"Hi. I'm girlboss №1 Look at how beatiful i am. I'm too beautiful for you incel plebs and i wish all these suitors would just leave me alone and let me focus on being super stronk warrior. I even cut my hair Jeanne of Ark style but this didn't help. It's so hard being a wombyn and beatiful."

"Hi, i'm girlboss №2 I'm toughest bitch in my tribe stronker than any male, but the evil tribal misogynists don't respect me so i show them how much weak males they are bwahaha. Look at this quest boar, hold my beer i will go kill it, cuck *rushes monster and gets owned in a few turns*"

Etc.

I got especially "lucky" and most of my available companions are women. So it feels like female dominated workspace serpentarium full of narcissistic, self absorbed cunts. Their camp banter is insufferable.


Otherwise the game is quite fun so far and looks good visually.

 

[iguana_trader]

Honestly Nok-Nok is the best character in this game. When it comes to female cast, Linzi is no1, for being normal and cutesy in a very inoffensive way. Fortunately one can create mercs and companions can stay in the kingdom.

 

[Fargus]

2k per merc a bit pricey. I only made 1 so far.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Honestly Nok-Nok is the best character in this game.

For me, Harrim is best bro. Dorf companion, best companion. Simple as.

 

[ferratilis]

Tbh I liked all companions in Kingmaker, which cannot be said for Wrath where I only liked Regill and Lann and even those two can't compete with anyone in Kingmaker. But if we're choosing favorites, then Nok-Nok and Jubilost.

 

[iguana_trader]

2k per merc a bit pricey. I only made 1 so far.

If you get to Oleg's and defend him while being level 1, talk to the Pathfinder lady and the mercs will cost only 100 pesos. She will say 500 or more but they actually cost 100 a soul, so if you have 500 gold you get 5 pathfinders at the start of the game. I find it is enough to get 2 or 3 if you hate companions, but getting even one guy to even out your class is helpful.

Honestly Nok-Nok is the best character in this game.

For me, Harrim is best bro. Dorf companion, best companion. Simple as.

How could I have forgotten about this lovely bastard. Seems like in Kingmaker shorties are the best companions, plus they have no romance path.

 

[Cael]

Duh, i'm an idiot. Pathing wasn't a bug it was actually how "scare" works in this game and i just failed to see it. While the fear status removes control over party member, scare just makes them go opposite direction when close to enemy while not taking away control completely.

Tried this game in turn based and... is it supposed to be this broken, when your party members go in an opposite direction for a stroll in the woods instead of attacking or can't find proper pathing to go back and just loop around like retards? Some "Pathfinder".

It's still much more preffered than chaos of RTWP. I just don't want to experience the joy of controling multiple party members in real time again like i used to in BG games. Too old for this shit.

Do you like it? I thought you would rather eat broken glass than play another Owlcat game.

Friend convinced me. I had it in my library for years but never commited. It's alright so far and as i understand should be less faggy than unmodded Wrath. The characters can be pretty annoying though.

They are all variations of "I am so oppressed because I am female/orc. Feel my angst! Romance my angst! I can out-angst a 14-year old goth at a thousand paces! Worship my angst!!!"

Yeah, seems like a common theme. The writing is badly comical at times.

"Hi. I'm girlboss №1 Look at how beatiful i am. I'm too beautiful for you incel plebs and i wish all these suitors would just leave me alone and let me focus on being super stronk warrior. I even cut my hair Jeanne of Ark style but this didn't help. It's so hard being a wombyn and beatiful."

"Hi, i'm girlboss №2 I'm toughest bitch in my tribe stronker than any male, but the evil tribal misogynists don't respect me so i show them how much weak males they are bwahaha. Look at this quest boar, hold my beer i will go kill it, cuck *rushes monster and gets owned in a few turns*"

Etc.

I got especially "lucky" and most of my available companions are women. So it feels like female dominated workspace serpentarium full of narcissistic, self absorbed cunts. Their camp banter is insufferable.


Otherwise the game is quite fun so far and looks good visually.

It is not only the females. Tristan, Harrim and Redogar are also emo as hell, too.

The only non-emo are Nok-Nok and that gnome bomber.

 

[Lios]

Eh, the only companions that I found really annoying are the orc and half elf lady couple, mostly because they were written like teenage horny fanfic. That being said, you can actually tell them to shut the fuck up and don't bother talking with them again except for their quests. Everyone else if fine and saying that they serve some kind of feminist agenda is a gross exaggeration.

Amiri is a total bro. She believes in you from the start and turning her into a barbarian chieftain or whatever is wholesome.

Generally speaking the game gives you a big enough array of options to handle conversations, for example I remember that before attacking Stag Lord's fortress, the orc guy tried to say something along the lines of "Man if we survive this I will kiss you" to my male character, and I had the option to either tell him "Gay sex yeah!", to "Nah", to "If you say this to me again, I will smack the shit out of you".

 

[Fargus]

Honestly Nok-Nok is the best character in this game.

For me, Harrim is best bro. Dorf companion, best companion. Simple as.

This dwarf cocksucker denied me twice. First he joined up with the jew gnome in prologue and then refused to join me again later. Now i found him caged in Sycamore dungeon where i probably leave him to rot.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

This dwarf cocksucker denied me twice. First he joined up with the jew gnome in prologue and then refused to join me again later. Now i found him caged in Sycamore dungeon where i probably leave him to rot.

 

[Nano]

That being said, you can actually tell them to shut the fuck up and don't bother talking with them again except for their quests. Everyone else if fine and saying that they serve some kind of feminist agenda is a gross exaggeration.

Women in huge armor or with oversized swords (or shields in Valerie's case) have no basis in reality and are the definition of feminist propaganda. Don't be naive.

 

[Lios]

That being said, you can actually tell them to shut the fuck up and don't bother talking with them again except for their quests. Everyone else if fine and saying that they serve some kind of feminist agenda is a gross exaggeration.

Women in huge armor or with oversized swords (or shields in Valerie's case) have no basis in reality and are the definition of feminist propaganda. Don't be naive.

Liches have no basis in reality either but I don't believe they're undead propaganda.
I don't really care for this specific "gender wars! I cannot be a man anymore goddammit!" reality tunnel, as it doesn't really enhances my life in any meaningful way, so I don't really see what the fuss is all about for having women warriors in my fantasy world.
The oversized weapons thing is more like comic book silly than "har-har we will turn male teenagers to pussies".

 

[Yosharian]

Liches have no basis in reality either but I don't believe they're undead propaganda.
I don't really care for this specific "gender wars! I cannot be a man anymore goddammit!" reality tunnel, as it doesn't really enhances my life in any meaningful way, so I don't really see what the fuss is all about for having women warriors in my fantasy world.
The oversized weapons thing is more like comic book silly than "har-har we will turn male teenagers to pussies".

Who gives a shit about any of that. Amiri is a shit character because her writing is trash, not because of politics. In ASOIAF Brienne of Tarth wrecks multiple dudes and hardly anybody complains about 'muh realism' with that character. (Even in the show where they botched her character quite a bit, luckily the actress is very talented and more or less pulled it off) I wonder why? It's because she's a great character, well-written and the things that happen to her are interesting and believable. She's also flawed and isn't portrayed as invincible.

Amiri on the other hand:

- starts with 16 STR instead of 19, making her a shit character mechanically
- doesn't have any of the relatively less-shit Barb archetypes such as IR or MD
- is human, which is a shit race unless you really leverage the bonus feat, let's see she has... Toughness and proficiency in a terrible weapon type. Nice
- can't even solo a fucking animal, gets her shit kicked in instantly, but she still thinks she's a great fighter
- talks like a retard and treats everyone around her like shit
- has a stick permanently lodged up her ass because her tribe had trouble accepting a female wanting to be a fighter this is a medieval fantasy game btw
- straight up lied about how she got her sword IIRC
- puts herself in situations where she is hopelessly out of her depth, such as the barbarian camp infiltration quest which tests a bunch of skills no Barbarian would ever specialise in
- is a dumbfuck

Yeah what a great character, I can't imagine why people don't like her, it must be POLITICS

 

[Yosharian]

Frankly even Nok-Nok is played for laughs too much, he isn't taken seriously. I cannot fucking abide this 'LOL Goblins are so funny and random LMAO!' approach to fantasy storytelling with monster races. He still has enough good moments to justify taking him, but let's not pretend it's masterful storytelling or anything like that. His personal quest is honestly fucking stupid. And nothing at all comes from allowing him into the city, it'd be at least interesting if there were some serious moral quandaries about letting fucking Lamashtu worshippers into a Lawful Good capital city, but IIRC it boils down to the Baron simply saying 'nah it'll be fine' and then nothing meaningful happens.

They should have made it so that if you allow the goblins into the city, they end up eating some of the locals or something.

 

[Nano]

That being said, you can actually tell them to shut the fuck up and don't bother talking with them again except for their quests. Everyone else if fine and saying that they serve some kind of feminist agenda is a gross exaggeration.

Women in huge armor or with oversized swords (or shields in Valerie's case) have no basis in reality and are the definition of feminist propaganda. Don't be naive.

Liches have no basis in reality either but I don't believe they're undead propaganda.
I don't really care for this specific "gender wars! I cannot be a man anymore goddammit!" reality tunnel, as it doesn't really enhances my life in any meaningful way, so I don't really see what the fuss is all about for having women warriors in my fantasy world.
The oversized weapons thing is more like comic book silly than "har-har we will turn male teenagers to pussies".

Anything that empowers women takes power away from men.

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

Amiri talks a lot of shit, but her arc shows what she really is. That still doesn't make her pleasant. Valerie is stuck on herself, which also gets tempered. She was much quieter, so I didn't mind her.

Octavia and Regongar need to be told to shut up and never speak again posthaste. They are tolerable then. Otherwise, both become quite annoying. My least favorite is Jaethal. The epitome of bored teenage edgelord. "I'm so cool and awesome. I was bored with stuff before you even knew about it." She will also remind you of this constantly.

Spoiler

That she murdered and brewed her family so that she could get high is also heinously evil. I had her killed a the first plot opportunity.

Harrim is a wet blanket, and is supposed to be. That doesn't mean I found him amusing.

Companions that didn't annoy me are Linzi, Jubilost, Nok-Nok, Ekun, The Twins, and Tristian. I expected to not like Tristian for being effeminate, but he was fine.

Spoiler

I let him kill Jaethal when she gets brought back by the BBEG

I didn't think Valerie was that bad, but I certainly understand if others do.