Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Grunker]

5E though, they one-upped Sawyer with Bounded Accuracy (which works great in play, but man is it out-Sawyering Sawyer to mathematically limit the range of possible bonuses). I love that shit because it just fucking... works, plays well, but man it pissed off the 3.5/PF fanatics

 

[Cael]

Can't take the heat and using sjw tactics to ignore/ban people? Is this the Cael you want to be?

Lol! Look at the little tapeworm trying to demand people justify themselves to him. You know what? You can be on the list, too, since you contribute nothing but harassment, flaming and trolling.

 

[Efe]

The cheeky business fire waifu is fine. Katara is meh I guess.
the class can go fuck itself, I wanted a Witch, and it could have been a tiefling witch with all the cute witch stuff.

or it could have been a cute little witch with a cute little penis

 

[Desiderius]

Can't take the heat and using sjw tactics to ignore/ban people? Is this the Cael you want to be?

Picturing ghost Cael with his helmet off, partying with all the Ewoks...

Cael is like the extrem purist, close to autism in a way. But at least he does know about what he is talking about(for PNP)

Except times when he gets pnp rules wrong which was pointed out, but that doesn't stop him

sjw tactics

The sjw tactics is straight banning, you won't last 5 mins after your first posts anywhere on the internet like paizo reddit or some such.

Even Don Quixote wasn’t delusional about Sancho. Cael takes it to new levels.

Little boy alt confirmed. With that name, how long did he expect to evade detection? Oh well, into the Quiet Box with the main account.

Son, I was fighting for Truth, antisocial Justice, and the American Way under this handle when you were a mere glimmer in every last one of your mama’s 666 prehensile eyestalks.

A good autist knows his limits. Identity guessing is well beyond them.

 

[Shadenuat]

Bounded Accuracy

 

[PorkyThePaladin]

As I mentioned in Shoutbox, Stankmaker actually picked up a bit in quality after I became Baron and started traveling around. Once your character picks up some levels (around level 6+) and you pick better fits for your party, the whole things becomes more effective, so you don't need to cheese your way out of every tough fight with potions and hard cc disables. However, just as I said this, I ran into Hargulka fight. Again, the kind of shitty balance this game thrives on. Tartuk cast Haste on him, and he just buzz-sawed through my 33 AC Valerie and the rest of the party in about 2.5 seconds. I cast Dispell Magic on the ugly troll, but either it didn't work, or he has an inherent haste (or some ridiculous BAB which gives him insane attacks per round), so he again buzz-sawed through the whole party (maybe 3.5 seconds this time).

So I had to resort to cheese again: had Linzi cast glitterdust on him, and used a Haste scroll on my 2 handed main. Easy win, but feels cheap because my builds weren't really used, just hard disables (the blind) and non-build related buffs (haste). Would've been a lot more fun if he wasn't so insanely inflated, and I could defeat him using my actual party builds.

 

[Desiderius]

As I mentioned in Shoutbox, Stankmaker actually picked up a bit in quality after I became Baron and started traveling around. Once your character picks up some levels (around level 6+) and you pick better fits for your party, the whole things becomes more effective, so you don't need to cheese your way out of every tough fight with potions and hard cc disables. However, just as I said this, I ran into Hargulka fight. Again, the kind of shitty balance this game thrives on. Tartuk cast Haste on him, and he just buzz-sawed through my 33 AC Valerie and the rest of the party in about 2.5 seconds. I cast Dispell Magic on the ugly troll, but either it didn't work, or he has an inherent haste (or some ridiculous BAB which gives him insane attacks per round), so he again buzz-sawed through the whole party (maybe 3.5 seconds this time).

So I had to resort to cheese again: had Linzi cast glitterdust on him, and used a Haste scroll on my 2 handed main. Easy win, but feels cheap because my builds weren't really used, just hard disables (the blind) and non-build related buffs (haste). Would've been a lot more fun if he wasn't so insanely inflated, and I could defeat him using my actual party builds.

A 33AC tank at that point is pathetic. Git mediocre. Not that straight up tanking Hargulka is super realistic even at 43AC.

And Linzi casting a second level spell is cheese? She’s a bard. What is she supposed to do, sit there and look pretty? Listen to yourself, man, you’re making no sense.

The game does pick up nicely around there though, you’re right about that.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Having high AC on Valerie is nearly impossible without being experienced with the ruleset(even if you are, PFK has many intricacies/missing content not available in typical PF), especially at low levels.
Porky doesn't seem to be overly fond of kangmaker, so it's not surprising his Valerie sucks.

 

[PorkyThePaladin]

Let me rephrase, nerds: in any other normal D&D game, 33AC at level 7 would be FANTASTIC. The stat inflation here is retarded. Stop being such obvious fanboys.

 

[ArchAngel]

As I mentioned in Shoutbox, Stankmaker actually picked up a bit in quality after I became Baron and started traveling around. Once your character picks up some levels (around level 6+) and you pick better fits for your party, the whole things becomes more effective, so you don't need to cheese your way out of every tough fight with potions and hard cc disables. However, just as I said this, I ran into Hargulka fight. Again, the kind of shitty balance this game thrives on. Tartuk cast Haste on him, and he just buzz-sawed through my 33 AC Valerie and the rest of the party in about 2.5 seconds. I cast Dispell Magic on the ugly troll, but either it didn't work, or he has an inherent haste (or some ridiculous BAB which gives him insane attacks per round), so he again buzz-sawed through the whole party (maybe 3.5 seconds this time).

So I had to resort to cheese again: had Linzi cast glitterdust on him, and used a Haste scroll on my 2 handed main. Easy win, but feels cheap because my builds weren't really used, just hard disables (the blind) and non-build related buffs (haste). Would've been a lot more fun if he wasn't so insanely inflated, and I could defeat him using my actual party builds.

This just shows you don't really understand how stuff works but you like to complain about it. GitGud

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Let me rephrase, nerds: in any other normal D&D game, 33AC at level 7 would be FANTASTIC. The stat inflation here is retarded. Stop being such obvious fanboys.

All d20 systems are shit, why are you picking on this specific one?

 

[PorkyThePaladin]

I don't remember having these issues in any other D&D game I've ever played: BG saga, NWN 1-2, Dark Sun, etc. You had a build in those games, and if you planned it out well, it could handle most things reasonably well using that build's strengths. Occasionally, there might be extra tough fights where you would need to buff or use potions/extra stuff or even cheese, but they were relatively rare, whereas in Kangmaker, it's almost every other fight. You always feel like you are behind, buildwise.

 

[Desiderius]

I don't remember having these issues in any other D&D game I've ever played: BG saga, NWN 1-2, Dark Sun, etc. You had a build in those games, and if you planned it out well, it could handle most things reasonably well using that build's strengths. Occasionally, there might be extra tough fights where you would need to buff or use potions/extra stuff or even cheese, but they were relatively rare, whereas in Kangmaker, it's almost every other fight. You always feel like you are behind, buildwise.

Then plan your build out well and get back to us. Or just gank Hargulka to death with all seven of your non-buffed dorks and raise dead the two or three who don’t make it.

It’s an ethos.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

I don't remember having these issues in any other D&D game I've ever played: BG saga, NWN 1-2, Dark Sun, etc. You had a build in those games, and if you planned it out well, it could handle most things reasonably well using that build's strengths. Occasionally, there might be extra tough fights where you would need to buff or use potions/extra stuff or even cheese, but they were relatively rare, whereas in Kangmaker, it's almost every other fight. You always feel like you are behind, buildwise.

Turn the difficulty down

 

[Desiderius]

Having high AC on Valerie is nearly impossible without being experienced with the ruleset(even if you are, PFK has many intricacies/missing content not available in typical PF), especially at low levels.
Porky doesn't seem to be overly fond of kangmaker, so it's not surprising his Valerie sucks.

Base AC = 10
Dex bonus = 2
Opening the chest in the twins house = 12 ac
Giantslayer Clasp from Bart = 2ac
Barkskin from Jub = 3ac (note the duration, you can have it for all the fights not just the boss)
Tower Shield from town = 5ac
Ring of Deflection = 2ac
Dodge (comes with) = 1 ac
Fighting Defensively with 3 mobility = 3ac
Stalwart Defender stance (Val’s cookie cutter prestige - should hit eighth during troll trouble) = 3ac

That’s 43ac unbuffed off the top of my head and without any Crane shenanigans. You can get + 2 natural ac from Wyvern Skin cloak if you don’t like barkskin.

Nothing in this is any more complicated than BG or Dark Sun.

 

[Daidre]

Or you could summon dozen of skeletons for him to chew through while shooting him to death. Best tank ever until the chapter 5 or so.

Harrim and Ekun both have personal quests in this dungeon so even adequate party composition is more or less forced on the player.

 

[Shadenuat]

Even more Jubi has his quest there at entrance. Jubi + Ekun = troll deff.

honestly Owlcats do it too much for my taste, "hey u go to undead tomb of undead take CLERIC with you" - later
players: wer stuck at undead dungon don't have a cleric ((

 

[ArchAngel]

Even more Jubi has his quest there at entrance. Jubi + Ekun = troll deff.

honestly Owlcats do it too much for my taste, "hey u go to undead tomb of undead take CLERIC with you" - later
players: wer stuck at undead dungon don't have a cleric ((

Those giant undead freaks have too much HP for Channel Energy to do anything. All your Cleric does it heal the party and make it so you need to rest less often. Or you can bring 30 extra rations to the dungeon and you don't need a cleric.

 

[Shadenuat]

Cleric provides you with Resist Fear, Restoration, Death Ward, Crusader's Edge, and heals to heal your party in a dungeon which locks you inside it. So no, having Tristian in that dungeon is not a bad pick at all.

Hell he even gets stuff like Banish which can actually dispatch those water elementals.

 

[ArchAngel]

Cleric provides you with Resist Fear, Restoration, Death Ward, Crusader's Edge, and heals to heal your party in a dungeon which locks you inside it. So no, having Tristian in that dungeon is not a bad pick at all.

Hell he even gets stuff like Banish which can actually dispatch those water elementals.

I used Harrim instead. Death's Ward is only important one, you use Restoration from scrolls.

 

[Shadenuat]

So you had Harrim instead and bought scrolls and I'm arguing game gives you cleric just to be sure... so what are you even arguing here??

 

[ArchAngel]

You don't need a cleric. Death Ward is only for last fight and you can reload if you want or use Resurrect scrolls. You use Restoration scrolls for other stuff. You just need one person that can use the scrolls. You bring extra rations and rest inside the dungeon to full heal or bring more Heal scrolls. You got enough money for all that. And instead of a Cleric you take someone that does ranged DPS to deal with undead giants easier.

 

[Desiderius]

Can't take the heat and using sjw tactics to ignore/ban people? Is this the Cael you want to be?

Picturing ghost Cael with his helmet off, partying with all the Ewoks...

Cael is like the extrem purist, close to autism in a way. But at least he does know about what he is talking about(for PNP)

Except times when he gets pnp rules wrong which was pointed out, but that doesn't stop him

sjw tactics

The sjw tactics is straight banning, you won't last 5 mins after your first posts anywhere on the internet like paizo reddit or some such.

Even Don Quixote wasn’t delusional about Sancho. Cael takes it to new levels.

Little boy alt confirmed. With that name, how long did he expect to evade detection? Oh well, into the Quiet Box with the main account.

Son, I was fighting for Truth, antisocial Justice, and the American Way under this handle when you were a mere glimmer in every last one of your mama’s 666 prehensile eyestalks.

A good autist knows his limits. Identity guessing is well beyond them.

You don't need a cleric. Death Ward is only for last fight and you can reload if you want or use Resurrect scrolls. You use Restoration scrolls for other stuff. You just need one person that can use the scrolls. You bring extra rations and rest inside the dungeon to full heal or bring more Heal scrolls. You got enough money for all that. And instead of a Cleric you take someone that does ranged DPS to deal with undead giants easier.

Nah, just give Tristan a level in barb to get some pep in his step, make perception a class skill, and allow him to use a reach weapon to trigger outflank and get close enough for Archon’s Aura to own all those big dummies.

Death Magic is more of a threat in the next tomb.

 

[Shadenuat]

Death ward is not just for last fight, demons also use level drain. Dungon welcomes you with poison cloud as well and I think so do golems. Against Cephal and skellingtons cleric also is neat. Cyclops? The most dangerous ones at that point Tristian can probably chains of light.
Then again dude just for some reason completely misread what I was even talking about: that for new players, game recommending Cleric there is obvious handholding, because they will never know what scrolls to take and whatnot. Probably never read Steam forums and all the whining of not enough rations in the tomb/tomb hard threads.

 

[ArchAngel]

Death ward is not just for last fight, demons also use level drain. Dungon welcomes you with poison cloud as well and I think so do golems. Against Cephal and skellingtons cleric also is neat. Cyclops? The most dangerous ones at that point Tristian can probably chains of light.
Then again dude just for some reason completely misread what I was even talking about: that for new players, game recommending Cleric there is obvious handholding, because they will never know what scrolls to take and whatnot. Probably never read Steam forums and all the whining of not enough rations in the tomb/tomb hard threads.

Yes it is for new players but those players also don't know to prepare Death Ward or Restoration and they don't bring enough rations and get stuck in the tomb and whine on forums. They also ignore all the ability damage they received from fighting the Sisters and whine how tomb is killing them..