Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Andhaira]

Question: How many of the text adventure minigames are there in the main campaign total? What about the other 2 campaigns that are offered as DLC?

How do they compare to PoE I & IIs minigames? (I never got far in PoE and never played PoEII)

 

[Sergiu64]

Question: How many of the text adventure minigames are there in the main campaign total? What about the other 2 campaigns that are offered as DLC?

How do they compare to PoE I & IIs minigames? (I never got far in PoE and never played PoEII)

There are... some. Maybe 1 in 10 wilderness areas are a text adventure. There are some random ones in dungeons as well. I kinda think they're fairly well placed. Since you didn't get far in PoE and didn't play PoE II - I'm not sure what value there would be in comparing them. But I guess I like Kingmaker ones better as they're not as deterministic as ones in PoE I/II due to d20 dice rolls vs hard skill checks.

 

[Lacrymas]

So, I finally picked this up along with the Wildcards and Varnhold's Lot DLCs from GOG's sale. How are the loading times now? Should I wait until I get an SSD or are they reasonable enough without one?

 

[ArchAngel]

its clear you dont control him at that fight even to a complete stranger from screenshot alone. what do you think you are "outing"?
dont you end upw ith abysmal hit chance when you use spellstrike with tristian?
either way, how goes the testing?

It’s the only fight in the game where you’re fighting solo and you do it every play through. He’s not a stranger, he’s been sniping at my comments for months.

I’m not planning to use Spellstrike until he finishes his companion quest (around Pitax). Right now he’s a 7th level Cleric with Shield, Image, Retreat, Mage Armor, and Martial Proficiency so he can fight Enlarged with a STR belt, Glaive/Bane Weapon and Greater Spell Focus Evocation on his Archon’s Aura and occasional Fireball.

I’m mostly on Harrim/no Cleric at this point in the game so no biggie, but he does fine. Build is focused on Pitax and after. With Frightful et. al. to hit shouldn’t be a problem, but we’ll see when I get there.

MC Slayer is nuts.

Are you sure?
Did you just out yourself?

You can fight the Nymph quest if you're a big man like Archangel. I prefer to just sneak out.

Let's just say it's the only time you're fighting alongside Jhod and Bartholomew against an Owlbear in a prison.

It is fun to do that quest by fighting. But you need to go there after you level up some (lvl 7 or more) and come prepared with potions and scrolls. And not all classes can do it. I was able to solo it with my wizard but not with some other characters.

 

[Yosharian]

I was thinking of diving back into this then I see that the Kingdom Resolution mod has been abandoned and the latest patches have broken its functionality.

Oh well.

Probably because it's no longer needed.

Why would it no longer be needed? Kingdom management is a pain in the arse.

 

[Trashos]

So, I finally picked this up along with the Wildcards and Varnhold's Lot DLCs from GOG's sale. How are the loading times now? Should I wait until I get an SSD or are they reasonable enough without one?

Can't help much, but at least on an SSD they are fast. I am still near the beginning of the game, though, so I don't know what happens later.

+ Implementation of rules/classes/etc - great Buildporn for anyone interested in playing around with builds

Since I criticized earlier the way the system sets off, let me just say that this is 100% accurate. True build porn.

 

[Desiderius]

its clear you dont control him at that fight even to a complete stranger from screenshot alone. what do you think you are "outing"?
dont you end upw ith abysmal hit chance when you use spellstrike with tristian?
either way, how goes the testing?

It’s the only fight in the game where you’re fighting solo and you do it every play through. He’s not a stranger, he’s been sniping at my comments for months.

I’m not planning to use Spellstrike until he finishes his companion quest (around Pitax). Right now he’s a 7th level Cleric with Shield, Image, Retreat, Mage Armor, and Martial Proficiency so he can fight Enlarged with a STR belt, Glaive/Bane Weapon and Greater Spell Focus Evocation on his Archon’s Aura and occasional Fireball.

I’m mostly on Harrim/no Cleric at this point in the game so no biggie, but he does fine. Build is focused on Pitax and after. With Frightful et. al. to hit shouldn’t be a problem, but we’ll see when I get there.

MC Slayer is nuts.

Are you sure?
Did you just out yourself?

You can fight the Nymph quest if you're a big man like Archangel. I prefer to just sneak out.

Let's just say it's the only time you're fighting alongside Jhod and Bartholomew against an Owlbear in a prison.

It is fun to do that quest by fighting. But you need to go there after you level up some (lvl 7 or more) and come prepared with potions and scrolls. And not all classes can do it. I was able to solo it with my wizard but not with some other characters.

Yeah, I ultimately am kind of a wuss on that sort of thing. If I’m blowing out Hard I’ll kick it up to Unfair (or use Unfair for testing before posting builds) but I rarely seek out situations where I’m likely to have my ass handed to me.

Likewise not really into trying to win Val’s solo fight. If Haplo hadn’t told me it was possible my Amiri would never have beaten Armag.

 

[ArchAngel]

I really tried to win armag fight but wasn't able to. Once I even reloaded 10 times, buffed her like crazy (even with displacement potion) and still could not win. She probably needs a special build and I always go pure barbarian with her.
With Val only time I bothered to win was when she was KK, she destroyed that fool with her touch attack weapon.

 

[Trashos]

All right, I had a great fight against the Technic League random encounter. Lv2 with a 4 member party, I had to reload a few times before I nailed it.

I also had a very interesting fight with a bear-like treant in order to get Tristan. Had to reload once. Luckily, I am playing a Vivisectionist, and I decided to utilize my fire/acid flasks to check the treant's reflexes. It worked! So my second point here is that the game features interesting fights against lone enemies, which is something I haven't seen for a loooong time. I hope there is more of this.

Fighting-wise, the game looks very good at this point. It is tough and interesting.

 

[Daidre]

Val's fight is usually pretty easy for me, she is around lvl 8 at this point - extend Improved Invis, Haste, some buffs and whack him with 2-hander, something like +2 Fire Glaive. My tanky builds for her always has rogue 4, so auto-sneak for +3d6. He buffs for a first round and usually face down at the second.

I am yet to build Amiri that can reliably beat Armag fight even with full buff, one lucky crit for 120+ damage and she is done, twice more on unfaire, and he crits often. So I just cheese this duel with healing potions spam from the inventory when I want to win for an extra RP option.

 

[ArchAngel]

Val's fight is usually pretty easy for me, she is around lvl 8 at this point - extend Improved Invis, Haste, some buffs and whack him with 2-hander, something like +2 Fire Glaive. My tanky builds for her always has rogue 4, so auto-sneak for +3d6. He buffs for a first round and usually face down at the second.

I am yet to build Amiri that can reliably beat Armag fight even with full buffs, one lucky crit for 120+ damage and she is done, twice more on unfaire, and he crits often. So I just cheese this fight with healing potions spam from the inventory when I want to win for an extra RP option.

I only used Val in one campaign as pure Fighter and she lost that fight. In other campaign she was KK and in all others she just stays and home and she is leveled as pure fighter because I don't want to bother with her. As pure fighter she cannot win that fight without crazy luck (although I never tried extended improved invisibility (probably because I didn't have that spell at the time, she often fights it as lvl 7 and Octavia still only has access to lvl 3 spells, also no access to extend rod for lvl 4 spells).

You can use healing potions from inventory without it costing time even during combat?!?! I never noticed this is possible... that is terrible if allowed. That puts a shade on everyone ever finishing the game on Unfair, especially all the solo runners.

 

[Daidre]

You can use healing potions from inventory without it costing time even during combat?!?! I never noticed this is possible...

Yeah it is like... workaround for lazy. Does no work in normal combat, only in scripted duels.

Witch on the swamp map sells Displacement potion and the same spell with extend rod could be used instead of improved invis. Long scene before the Val's fight eats a great deal from the spell duration so extend is mandatory.

 

[Zumbabul]

In Val's fight, you can place grease, web, and stinking cloud before fight. Probably you can add sirroco, but I didn't had it. The palading will be lying on the ground, vomitting, and entangled in web. Val will just kill him without any fancy builds.

 

[ArchAngel]

In Val's fight, you can place grease, web, and stinking cloud before fight. Probably you can add sirroco, but I didn't had it. The palading will be lying on the ground, vomitting, and entangled in web. Val will just kill him without any fancy builds.

Hmm.. that is cheating lol :D

 

[panda]

I think you have fairly decent chance to win with any build without resorting to web/grease pre casting if you just invest in UMD and shoot him down with wands.

 

[Jimmious]

So I finally have some free time and instead of starting a buggy Stygian run, I decided to start a less-buggy P:K run, to finally play through the game.
Would you suggest multi-classing companions or am I fine leaving them in their main classes? I have no "meta" knowledge - I'm going in blind.
Also playing as an Wizard/Evoker btw

 

[Zumbabul]

So I finally have some free time and instead of starting a buggy Stygian run, I decided to start a less-buggy P:K run, to finally play through the game.
Would you suggest multi-classing companions or am I fine leaving them in their main classes? I have no "meta" knowledge - I'm going in blind.
Also playing as an Wizard/Evoker btw

You do not need any min/max build to finish the game. You can leave the companions in their main classes and you will be fine. I did not multicalss them, and everything was ok. Even if you fuck up the build, there is an option to respec. So, pick the class you like and enjoy the game.

 

[Jimmious]

there is an option to respec.

Oh cool! I thought that was only available through mods.
Liking the game so far a lot mechanically but the story and the characters are kinda "weak". A bit childish maybe. I'm still only Level 4 though

 

[ArchAngel]

there is an option to respec.

Oh cool! I thought that was only available through mods.
Liking the game so far a lot mechanically but the story and the characters are kinda "weak". A bit childish maybe. I'm still only Level 4 though

Story grows up a bit over time.

 

[Daidre]

Would you suggest multi-classing companions or am I fine leaving them in their main classes? I have no "meta" knowledge - I'm going in blind.

There is couple of companions who are built for Prestige Classes, one multiclassed from the beginning and another have all feats to meet prerequisites for a specific PrC. But beside them everyone are pretty ok pure.

 

[Lacrymas]

Soooo, how are loading times without an SSD? Does everyone have an SSD besides me now lol?

 

[Zumbabul]

Soooo, how are loading times without an SSD? Does everyone have an SSD besides me now lol?

I have SSD, but loading times is not only a matter of SSD. At the begging of the game, loading times are almost instant. At later parts of the game, even if you have the SSD, the loading will take some time.

This is caused by the strange saving system. Owlcats keep a log of your every action, and store it into your save file. Probably they did it to search for bugs and study where players had problems. This is not an issue at the beginig, but around chapter 4, SSD did not help.

There are two remedies for this sitution. You can mannualy delete the log file from save file. Or you can install clean up mod.

TLDR; At the begining of the game loading times are ok. Around chapter 4 you will need some extra work to fix them.

 

[panda]

Aren't SSDs dirt cheap now btw?

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

I didn't notice SSD making much difference for this game anyway. But the loading times ain't that bad, really.

 

[Lacrymas]

This is caused by the strange saving system. Owlcats keep a log of your every action, and store it into your save file. Probably they did it to search for bugs and study where players had problems. This is not an issue at the beginig, but around chapter 4, SSD did not help.

There are two remedies for this sitution. You can mannualy delete the log file from save file. Or you can install clean up mod.

That saving "style" was used in PoE1 too (maybe in 2 as well?), which makes me think it maybe has something to do with Unity itself. It's good to know there are mods to remedy this.

Aren't SSDs dirt cheap now btw?

Yeah, I just haven't gotten around to buying one yet since the only 2 games I want to play with problematic loading times are PoE2 and PF:K. I've been playing some AoW3 recently and the loading times are like 2-3 seconds. So, yeah, I haven't noticed the need for an SSD and that's why I'm slacking with one lulz.