Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Desiderius]

You don’t win the love of a beautiful woman by catering to her pathologies; you earn her contempt and merit it.

It’s a Taming of the Shrew storyline.

Do companions have that much depth in this game? Because at the beginning they all sound like they either want to cut my balls off or at the very least objectify me as their sexual toy. I am not amused.

Yes. They're parodying the wokeness fallout from Gamergate, at first. Then you get some interesting decisions/story/build implications/realism.

 

[Desiderius]

build me an elven warrior/mage,elfs the fairest and wissest of all kind

click on Magus button

The dude has an Elven Curve Blade. Magi should stay in their lane.

 

[cruel]

I'm done with Deadfire and DOS2, time for Kingmaker. Hoping all the bugs are fixed by now (or most of them).

Going in blind, but one question only: are there any classes that suck completely and I should stay away from?

 

[Shadenuat]

no, it's like a constructor you can build anything out of anything

balance through unbalance.

 

[Efe]

dont start on difficulties harder than normal if you arent familiar with dnd 3rd edition
stay away from elemental rangers

 

[Cael]

I'm done with Deadfire and DOS2, time for Kingmaker. Hoping all the bugs are fixed by now (or most of them).

Going in blind, but one question only: are there any classes that suck completely and I should stay away from?

For any DnD type game, a diplomat caster is generally Easy mode. It is the equivalent of a diplo-gunner in Fallout.

 

[Outlander]

build me an elven warrior/mage,elfs the fairest and wissest of all kind.

Neanderthal

 

[Trashos]

I'm done with Deadfire and DOS2, time for Kingmaker. Hoping all the bugs are fixed by now (or most of them).

I am a new PK player myself, and I have to say that the system and the builds are much more interesting than PoE's. It's buildporn, as someone said a few pages ago.

 

[Yosharian]

build me an elven warrior/mage,elfs the fairest and wissest of all kind.

Start as Rogue, Dex Magus, Sword Saint archetype, Elven Curve Blade as your chosen weapon. Easy. Get just enough int to cast spells (16), put rest into Dex. Rest into Con, don't lower your strength too much cos it's a pain in the ass early on.

Get 3 levels of Rogue early on and select Elven Curve Blade as your finesse weapon.

 

[Desiderius]

build me an elven warrior/mage,elfs the fairest and wissest of all kind.

Start as Rogue, Dex Magus, Sword Saint archetype, Elven Curve Blade as your chosen weapon. Easy. Get just enough int to cast spells (16), put rest into Dex. Rest into Con, don't lower your strength too much cos it's a pain in the ass early on.

Get 3 levels of Rogue early on and select Elven Curve Blade as your finesse weapon.

Lot less headaches to just go large with STR. Trying to finesse a two-hander is more trouble than its worth, STR is easier to boost and there are more payoffs. Ask Hap.

Plus that fat elf dude from Two Towers is no Scoundrel. Archaeologist for RP and Dodge, but if you want to go hardcore just go EK.

Save Magi for the one-handers.

 

[Desiderius]

I'm done with Deadfire and DOS2, time for Kingmaker. Hoping all the bugs are fixed by now (or most of them).

Going in blind, but one question only: are there any classes that suck completely and I should stay away from?

Definitely Vivisectionist.

Not really. Eldritch Archer is pretty mailed-in, but they did a really good job making all the classes and subclasses have their own, different appeal.

 

[deuxhero]

I'm done with Deadfire and DOS2, time for Kingmaker. Hoping all the bugs are fixed by now (or most of them).

Going in blind, but one question only: are there any classes that suck completely and I should stay away from?

Non-Invulnerable Rager Barbarian: Invulnerable Rager is much better than the normal class, trading niche abilities for much better staying power.
Crusader Cleric: Gets less spells for pretty much nothing in return
Eldritch Scoundrel Rogue: Not a bad class, but with Accomplished Sneak Attacker you can make a Rogue 1/Wizard 3/Arcane Trickster X that does what this class does better.
Paladin: Evil foes are surprisingly rare. I think I fought more good clerics+paladins (all part of one questline though) than evil outsiders+dragons
Inquisitor: Very focused on social abilities not in this game.
Empyreal and Sage Sorcerer: Everything Sage Sorcerer does, a Wizard does better. Empyreal has a few uses, but they aren't in this game or aren't great (Cleric 3/Mystic Theurge).
Defensively focused classes in general: AC only protects against weapon attacks. This will fall apart later in the game (and sometimes earlier, but very consistently later) when enemies start using spells and special abilities.

Prestige:
Mystic Theurge: You're behind two levels on spells for a few extra spells per day.
Aldori Swordlord/ Stalwart Defender/Duelist: All very defensively focused.

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

Cleared Old Sycamore. Being mindful of my time-limit, I did nearly the entire zone without resting. Smoulderburn, the worgs, and a mass of skeletal champions are the only things left. Consequently, Tartuccio wrecked my face the first time I encountered him. Three consecutive fireballs in a tunnel on a weary, spell-less, and wounded party. By the grace of the dice gods, my party claimed victory on the first reload with no casualties (but near dead). Locking the door behind me was a little bullshit, but forgivable. Still greatly enjoying the game. I love that I'm using my consumables. Getting lots of mileage out of my crafty AT. I am looking forward to what comes next.

 

[Desiderius]

I'm done with Deadfire and DOS2, time for Kingmaker. Hoping all the bugs are fixed by now (or most of them).

Going in blind, but one question only: are there any classes that suck completely and I should stay away from?

Non-Invulnerable Rager Barbarian: Invulnerable Rager is much better than the normal class, trading niche abilities for much better staying power.
Crusader Cleric: Gets less spells for pretty much nothing in return
Eldritch Scoundrel Rogue: Not a bad class, but with Accomplished Sneak Attacker you can make a Rogue 1/Wizard 3/Arcane Trickster X that does what this class does better.
Paladin: Evil foes are surprisingly rare. I think I fought more good clerics+paladins (all part of one questline though) than evil outsiders+dragons
Inquisitor: Very focused on social abilities not in this game.
Empyreal and Sage Sorcerer: Everything Sage Sorcerer does, a Wizard does better. Empyreal has a few uses, but they aren't in this game or aren't great (Cleric 3/Mystic Theurge).
Defensively focused classes in general: AC only protects against weapon attacks. This will fall apart later in the game (and sometimes earlier, but very consistently later) when enemies start using spells and special abilities.

Prestige:
Mystic Theurge: You're behind two levels on spells for a few extra spells per day.
Aldori Swordlord/ Stalwart Defender/Duelist: All very defensively focused.

Uncanny Dodge isn't a niche ability, and DR gets blown out when it matters. I guess on normal it's fine.
Crusader gets 3 extra feats by level 10, which is a lot. The hard part is the ones you get. Defintely an advanced class.
Rogue 4/AT can do most of what Scoundrel does better (due to faster spell progression). Rogue 1 you're tickling people with cantrips most of the time. The game has busted weapons and equipment. Builds that don't use them are behind.
Paladin: many of the foes that matter before the end game are in fact evil, a lot of abilities that save a lot of headaches (especially Hospitaler), still full BAB STR class so can hit surprisingly hard with Bane weapons, Divine Weapon Bond (Axiomatic at min/lvl) and size increases.
Inquisitor: two great subclasses, WIS to initiative massively underrated. Get debuffs in first. Free perception also solid.
Defensively focused classes that have a plan for touch AC do fine, but they can do more than just D. A pure tank isn't needed.
MT you're behind three levels for a whole extra Spellbook, spontaneously casted if you want. There's enough fights that it's often worth it.

Playing without a Bard or Freebooter is adding a difficulty level. Each.

 

[Funposter]

I really don’t get the appeal of playing these games as a LE dorkwad, but evidently it’s a thing.

Well I tried to play through it the first time as a Paladin, but then there were no fucking evil enemies to deal with, so I just went in the opposite direction.

 

[deuxhero]

Crusader gets 3 extra feats by level 10, which is a lot. The hard part is the ones you get. Defintely an advanced class.

Wat? 3 feats is nothing, especially from as limited a list as it is and it's likely at least one of them will be spent on heavy armor, so it's only one more than a fighter dip.

Uncanny Dodge is useful, but half level+3 DR is a lot.

 

[razvedchiki]

Uncanny dodge is for str builds,dex ones dont really need it.
Also people should no get anal about the game time limits,you have 3 months to tackle the first chapter which will allow you to clear every place available.
That doesnt apply to people that rest after each battle.

 

[Yosharian]

build me an elven warrior/mage,elfs the fairest and wissest of all kind.

Start as Rogue, Dex Magus, Sword Saint archetype, Elven Curve Blade as your chosen weapon. Easy. Get just enough int to cast spells (16), put rest into Dex. Rest into Con, don't lower your strength too much cos it's a pain in the ass early on.

Get 3 levels of Rogue early on and select Elven Curve Blade as your finesse weapon.

Lot less headaches to just go large with STR. Trying to finesse a two-hander is more trouble than its worth, STR is easier to boost and there are more payoffs. Ask Hap.

Plus that fat elf dude from Two Towers is no Scoundrel. Archaeologist for RP and Dodge, but if you want to go hardcore just go EK.

Save Magi for the one-handers.

Why is it a headache?

I never said scoundrel, I said Rogue

There is no way that Elf dude is a strength archetype, make a Str build if you want but don't tell me it's an archetypal Elf warrior/mage like Haldir

Plus the whole point of Elven Curve Blade is that it allows you to get Dex 1.5x dmg when two-handing it

 

[Jimmious]

Some bandits are apparently very tall

Spoiler

 

[Desiderius]

I really don’t get the appeal of playing these games as a LE dorkwad, but evidently it’s a thing.

Well I tried to play through it the first time as a Paladin, but then there were no fucking evil enemies to deal with, so I just went in the opposite direction.

Fair enough. I enjoyed virtually soloing a roomful of demons and a dragon sitting on top of a sweet hoard. Soul Eaters, Zombie Giants, Devourers, Immunities, Axiomatic vs Fae, etc...

 

[Desiderius]

build me an elven warrior/mage,elfs the fairest and wissest of all kind.

Start as Rogue, Dex Magus, Sword Saint archetype, Elven Curve Blade as your chosen weapon. Easy. Get just enough int to cast spells (16), put rest into Dex. Rest into Con, don't lower your strength too much cos it's a pain in the ass early on.

Get 3 levels of Rogue early on and select Elven Curve Blade as your finesse weapon.

Lot less headaches to just go large with STR. Trying to finesse a two-hander is more trouble than its worth, STR is easier to boost and there are more payoffs. Ask Hap.

Plus that fat elf dude from Two Towers is no Scoundrel. Archaeologist for RP and Dodge, but if you want to go hardcore just go EK.

Save Magi for the one-handers.

Why is it a headache?

I never said scoundrel, I said Rogue

There is no way that Elf dude is a strength archetype, make a Str build if you want but don't tell me it's an archetypal Elf warrior/mage like Haldir

Plus the whole point of Elven Curve Blade is that it allows you to get Dex 1.5x dmg when two-handing it

Still no way that donut-scarfing Dudley Doright from the flick is a Rogue either. Barely has enough DEX to get off the couch to pay the pizza delivery guy.

Enlarge effects boost STR, damage dice, and reach - DEX just can’t keep up.

Tolkien’s Haldir sure for fun/RP and it will perform fine with DEX. I’d probably throw in some Ranger too.

 

[Jimmious]

Does the game really not have any ego stats or am I blind? Like kill count, toughest kill etc? I will be a sad panda if that's true

 

[Lacrymas]

So, since I'm going to start playing this soon, are there are there any must-have mods for a first playthrough (like that clean up one)? Is the EE stable and bug-free enough or should I wait for more patches?

 

[Desiderius]

So, since I'm going to start playing this soon, are there are there any must-have mods for a first playthrough (like that clean up one)? Is the EE stable and bug-free enough or should I wait for more patches?

I haven't had any trouble over 1,000 hrs unmodded. Just don't keep a thousand saves.

 

[deuxhero]

Does the game really not have any ego stats or am I blind? Like kill count, toughest kill etc? I will be a sad panda if that's true

I don't think so. There's a mod for it though.