Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Daidre]

Honestly, I use Smite Evil and Freeboter's Bane -like abilities ~5 times at ch1 in the whole 100h-long run. I hate this kind of micro and forget about it all the time.

But denial of the elementary math makes me argumentative.

 

[Desiderius]

Honestly, I use Smite Evil and Freeboter's Bane -like abilities ~5 times at ch1 in the whole 100h-long run. I hate this kind of micro and forget about it all the time.

But denial of the elementary math makes me argumentative.

Then you’d like Hospitaler so you wouldn’t have to spam Death Ward all the time.

Not denying math, but you know that. Spurious arguments are weak arguments.

 

[ArchAngel]

WTF, fighting Will o Wisp in TB is super irritating. They attack and go invisible in same round lol. I don't think using invisibility is just a move action. I might need to find some see invisiblity scroll for that will o wisp island (or turn off TB mod).

 

[Desiderius]

WTF, fighting Will o Wisp in TB is super irritating. They attack and go invisible in same round lol. I don't think using invisibility is just a move action. I might need to find some see invisiblity scroll for that will o wisp island (or turn off TB mod).

I think it’s the equivalent of Ranger Camouflage so SeeInvis shld stop it. See Invis lasts forever and is a big help on that Island (as is Resist Energy, Communal). Two scrolls for under 1k shld do it.

 

[deuxhero]

Fighting Will o Wisps is annoying in general. They stuck a pretty lethal SLA onto a monster with low offense but amazing defense.

 

[Yosharian]

Honestly, I use Smite Evil and Freeboter's Bane -like abilities ~5 times at ch1 in the whole 100h-long run. I hate this kind of micro and forget about it all the time.

But denial of the elementary math makes me argumentative.

Then you’d like Hospitaler so you wouldn’t have to spam Death Ward all the time.

Not denying math, but you know that. Spurious arguments are weak arguments.

A class ability isn't very good if a very long duration spell that's easily available replicates it completely, that's my view

 

[Desiderius]

Honestly, I use Smite Evil and Freeboter's Bane -like abilities ~5 times at ch1 in the whole 100h-long run. I hate this kind of micro and forget about it all the time.

But denial of the elementary math makes me argumentative.

Then you’d like Hospitaler so you wouldn’t have to spam Death Ward all the time.

Not denying math, but you know that. Spurious arguments are weak arguments.

A class ability isn't very good if a very long duration spell that's easily available replicates it completely, that's my view

Min/lvl single target narrow buffs are inefficient. 10 min/lvl maybe, but still single target. I like partywide buffs/lazy. It’s the difference between “Oh shit, forgot about these Spectres, gotta rest to redo my Spellbook” and “oh yeah there are Spectres here, I’ll let my Pal take care of them.”

Crusader’s Edge is often good when Death Ward is and replaces it, both are narrow. I like Channeling not eating Mercies.

So what’s the deal with Death Ward and Soul Eaters? Death save Aura?

 

[Desiderius]

Fighting Will o Wisps is annoying in general. They stuck a pretty lethal SLA onto a monster with low offense but amazing defense.

Once you get them Outflanked they go down pretty fast.

 

[Yosharian]

Honestly, I use Smite Evil and Freeboter's Bane -like abilities ~5 times at ch1 in the whole 100h-long run. I hate this kind of micro and forget about it all the time.

But denial of the elementary math makes me argumentative.

Then you’d like Hospitaler so you wouldn’t have to spam Death Ward all the time.

Not denying math, but you know that. Spurious arguments are weak arguments.

A class ability isn't very good if a very long duration spell that's easily available replicates it completely, that's my view

Min/lvl single target narrow buffs are inefficient. 10 min/lvl maybe, but still single target. I like partywide buffs/lazy. It’s the difference between “Oh shit, forgot about these Spectres, gotta rest to redo my Spellbook” and “oh yeah there are Spectres here, I’ll let my Pal take care of them.”

Crusader’s Edge is often good when Death Ward is and replaces it, both are narrow. I like Channeling not eating Mercies.

So what’s the deal with Death Ward and Soul Eaters? Death save Aura?

Inefficient? What's inefficient is taking an entire class up to level 7-10 or whatever level you get that ability, just to counter death effects that are only present on a small number of creatures in the game. That's what I call inefficient.

Paladin is not a very good class in Kingmaker, it's been established (aside from 2-level dips to get Aura of Grace, obviously). Marrying yourself to that many levels of Pal just to get a decent counter to death effects is absolutely absurd.

 

[Yosharian]

WTF, fighting Will o Wisp in TB is super irritating. They attack and go invisible in same round lol. I don't think using invisibility is just a move action. I might need to find some see invisiblity scroll for that will o wisp island (or turn off TB mod).

Fighting Will o Wisps is annoying in general. They stuck a pretty lethal SLA onto a monster with low offense but amazing defense.

A wild Communal Resist Energy appears! It's super effective!

 

[Nerevar]

Real cool game you've got here. First cuckold henchmen and now this? My patience has limits.

Unforgivable amounts of faggotry. No wonder people call this game Pozzfinder: Cuckmaker.

 

[Yosharian]

Real cool game you've got here. First cuckold henchmen and now this? My patience has limits.

Unforgivable amounts of faggotry. No wonder people call this game Pozzfinder: Cuckmaker.

Endure. In enduring, grow strong. - Dak'kon

 

[Desiderius]

Honestly, I use Smite Evil and Freeboter's Bane -like abilities ~5 times at ch1 in the whole 100h-long run. I hate this kind of micro and forget about it all the time.

But denial of the elementary math makes me argumentative.

Then you’d like Hospitaler so you wouldn’t have to spam Death Ward all the time.

Not denying math, but you know that. Spurious arguments are weak arguments.

A class ability isn't very good if a very long duration spell that's easily available replicates it completely, that's my view

Min/lvl single target narrow buffs are inefficient. 10 min/lvl maybe, but still single target. I like partywide buffs/lazy. It’s the difference between “Oh shit, forgot about these Spectres, gotta rest to redo my Spellbook” and “oh yeah there are Spectres here, I’ll let my Pal take care of them.”

Crusader’s Edge is often good when Death Ward is and replaces it, both are narrow. I like Channeling not eating Mercies.

So what’s the deal with Death Ward and Soul Eaters? Death save Aura?

Inefficient? What's inefficient is taking an entire class up to level 7-10 or whatever level you get that ability, just to counter death effects that are only present on a small number of creatures in the game. That's what I call inefficient.

Paladin is not a very good class in Kingmaker, it's been established (aside from 2-level dips to get Aura of Grace, obviously). Marrying yourself to that many levels of Pal just to get a decent counter to death effects is absolutely absurd.

The 17th Level ability is the one you want, as are the spells you get at 13 and the Snowballing Divine Weapon Bond, full BAB, easy condition removal, more healing than you could ever need, etc... I'm tacking on some Monk at the end for Touch AC but the class has been much better than expected. The debate was between Pal and Hospitaler not whether Pal is good at all. It is very good, especially when you need it.

 

[Desiderius]

So I put together the Dream Team to test a Crusader build a kid requested on the Steam forums:

MC: Shield Bash Crusader of Abadar 16/Trad Monk 2
Val TSS 1/Bard 17
Harrim Cleric of Groetus 1/Tactical Leader 17
Reg Scion 3/Vanguard 15
Amiri Barb 2/Freebooter 16
Jubilost Alchemist 18

Harrim had 9 activations of sharing his Triple +4 Judgements
Reg Studies as Swift Action and Shares as Move, unlimited use
Booter Bane is +4/+4 as is Inspire Courage

 

[TheWorld]

Finished act 1. Didn't have a lot of trouble with the stag lord and I liked how you can do a lot of stuff to make that combat easier. I'm using a mix of real time (for trash fights) and turn based (for everything else) which does get the combat easier, but also much more interesting for me. As someone told me, after you get your grip with the game the fights are much more doable. The game really forces you to use (at this point at least) all of your arsenal, which is pretty cool.

The only stuff that I haven't managed to do were some encounters with weremonsters while random exploring. Didn't have anything silver with me and they kinda trashed me. I'll take a break to check disco elyisum, but I really, really like the game up to now

 

[Trashos]

Question time: What does the Inspect button do exactly? My party seem to roll to unveil enemies' stats without it as well?

But I was more or less talking about this thread: https://steamcommunity.com/app/640820/discussions/0/1630791709842261316/

Such people (and I am not exactly innocent, I too like to have all information available before I decide my tactics/strategy from the 2nd playthrough on) will be much happier when the game's wikis are done.

 

[ArchAngel]

Real cool game you've got here. First cuckold henchmen and now this? My patience has limits.

Unforgivable amounts of faggotry. No wonder people call this game Pozzfinder: Cuckmaker.

You don't need to be unsure of your sexuality because of a game. It will not turn you into a fag you already are.

 

[ArchAngel]

WTF, fighting Will o Wisp in TB is super irritating. They attack and go invisible in same round lol. I don't think using invisibility is just a move action. I might need to find some see invisiblity scroll for that will o wisp island (or turn off TB mod).

Fighting Will o Wisps is annoying in general. They stuck a pretty lethal SLA onto a monster with low offense but amazing defense.

A wild Communal Resist Energy appears! It's super effective!

Does not mean much if fucking Wisps turn invisible as soon as they attack.... when not doing TB when they show up you get few seconds of everyone attacking them, here they attack and go puff on their turn and your party it left standing with dicks in their hands. At least in P&P you can ready action to attack as soon as they appear to solve situations like these..

 

[Yosharian]

WTF, fighting Will o Wisp in TB is super irritating. They attack and go invisible in same round lol. I don't think using invisibility is just a move action. I might need to find some see invisiblity scroll for that will o wisp island (or turn off TB mod).

Fighting Will o Wisps is annoying in general. They stuck a pretty lethal SLA onto a monster with low offense but amazing defense.

A wild Communal Resist Energy appears! It's super effective!

Does not mean much if fucking Wisps turn invisible as soon as they attack.... when not doing TB when they show up you get few seconds of everyone attacking them, here they attack and go puff on their turn and your party it left standing with dicks in their hands. At least in P&P you can ready action to attack as soon as they appear to solve situations like these..

Well, ok. See Invisibility?

 

[Nerevar]

You don't need to be unsure of your sexuality because of a game. It will not turn you into a fag you already are.

Normalizing the mental illness homosexuality and its variations (cuckoldry) is extremely dangerous. It is a part of the globohomo operation to destroy the family unit and lower quality of life for everyone.

You may as well include instructions on how to make your own methlab in the game.

 

[Daidre]

Normalizing the mental illness homosexuality and its variations (cuckoldry) is extremely dangerous. It is a part of the globohomo operation to destroy the family unit and lower quality of life for everyone.

Well, husband liked you enough to give you his armor on the screenshot.

Then why had you supported them instead of destroying this unhealthy family unit as an a glorious example?
Game gives a choice to fuck up both of them.

 

[Nerevar]

Well, husband liked you enough to give you his armor on the screenshot.

Then why had you supported them instead of destroying this unhealthy family unit as an a glorious example?
Game gives a choice to fuck up both of them.

I failed the perception check on that one. I thought he was just kidding, why would a bard be gay? Defeats the purpose of being a bard.

 

[Daidre]

Yeah, always blame a dice for ensuring long and happy future for a gay couple.

 

[ArchAngel]

You don't need to be unsure of your sexuality because of a game. It will not turn you into a fag you already are.

Normalizing the mental illness homosexuality and its variations (cuckoldry) is extremely dangerous. It is a part of the globohomo operation to destroy the family unit and lower quality of life for everyone.

You may as well include instructions on how to make your own methlab in the game.

Nerevar

 

[ArchAngel]

WTF, fighting Will o Wisp in TB is super irritating. They attack and go invisible in same round lol. I don't think using invisibility is just a move action. I might need to find some see invisiblity scroll for that will o wisp island (or turn off TB mod).

Fighting Will o Wisps is annoying in general. They stuck a pretty lethal SLA onto a monster with low offense but amazing defense.

A wild Communal Resist Energy appears! It's super effective!

Does not mean much if fucking Wisps turn invisible as soon as they attack.... when not doing TB when they show up you get few seconds of everyone attacking them, here they attack and go puff on their turn and your party it left standing with dicks in their hands. At least in P&P you can ready action to attack as soon as they appear to solve situations like these..

Well, ok. See Invisibility?

This is first time I fought them in TB, I never needed See Invisibility before to easily defeat them. Usually just Communal Resist Energy does the trick.