Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[ArchAngel]

You turn game options on and off when it suits you to get more XP.. what is there to no understand. You might as well turn some other options like difficulty to easy before boss fights and back to hard/unfair after boss fights as well. There is little difference.

I also farmed poor basilisks with low level archer and anti-stoning scrolls for years. After kicking out of party dualed (and almost crying!) Imoen who often read them for me, to hog all xp on myself.

What a horrible person I am, no dignity or sense of the fair play.

Yes but you didn't turn on option in BG where companions then joined you with your XP amount. The problem is not about your character getting more XP, the problem is that by abusing this difficulty trick you get higher level companions.
By not changing this difficulty option (I call it that because XP sharing is in difficulty choosing tab) you are supposed to reach lvl 5 with whole party during or just before Stag Lord's map. If you are using a trick to reach it earlier you are changing the difficulty of the game. And as I said if you are willing to change difficulty of the game to easier, you should just set it to Easy during chapter 1 and then return it to whatever you want after that. Then you don't need to waste time farming XP using this trick but you can just play Act 1 following quests like intended.

 

[Daidre]

Yes but you didn't turn on option in BG where companions then joined you with your XP amount. The problem is not about your character getting more XP, the problem is that by abusing this difficulty trick you get higher level companions.

It is exactly what happens in original BG - there is limited scaling for join-able characters, up to ~6 in BG 1, that is always, invariably ON.

You can see it on wiki:
https://baldursgate.fandom.com/wiki/Minsc - several versions (lvl 1, 2 ,4, 6) of the same characters. And this was not even introduced in EEs, worked the same way in base game, but in less convenient implementation with predetermined proficiency points and, often horrible, HP rolls.

 

[Desiderius]

Yes but you didn't turn on option in BG where companions then joined you with your XP amount. The problem is not about your character getting more XP, the problem is that by abusing this difficulty trick you get higher level companions.

It is exactly what happens in original BG - there is limited scaling for join-able characters, up to ~6 in BG 1, that always, invariably ON.

You can see it on wiki:
https://baldursgate.fandom.com/wiki/Minsc - several versions (lvl 1, 2 ,4, 6) of the same characters. And this was not even introduced in EEs, worked the same way in base game, but in less convenient way with predetermined proficiency points and, often horrible, HP rolls.

Customization currently bugged in SCS to give your companions max experience immediately. Just think of what you could do with that!

 

[Daidre]

Customization currently bugged in SCS to give your companions max experience immediately. Just think of what you could do with that!

I reported some customization bugs on SCS forum, but author was still "working on it" last time I checked. Utterly cool component, pity it is EE-only.

 

[ArchAngel]

Yes but you didn't turn on option in BG where companions then joined you with your XP amount. The problem is not about your character getting more XP, the problem is that by abusing this difficulty trick you get higher level companions.

It is exactly what happens in original BG - there is limited scaling for join-able characters, up to ~6 in BG 1, that is always, invariably ON.

You can see it on wiki:
https://baldursgate.fandom.com/wiki/Minsc - several versions (lvl 1, 2 ,4, 6) of the same characters. And this was not even introduced in EEs, worked the same way in base game, but in less convenient way with predetermined proficiency points and, often horrible, HP rolls.

No, you didn't change difficulty options to get one or another but in PKM you need to so you can get same effect. Seriously.. are you being this dense on purpose ?!

 

[Daidre]

No, you didn't change difficulty options to get one or another but in PKM you need to so you can get same effect. Seriously.. are you being this dense on purpose ?!

I just defend my right to cheese the shit out of abusable game/engine mechanics in my moddable SP game.

Mr Josh "no extra xp for small parties" Sawyer could rot in hell along with his ideas on the subject.
Well, maybe not Josh himself, but his ideas - definitely.

 

[PorkyThePaladin]

The single worst thing about Cuckmaker is the overhead. Whereas in BG saga or other similar games, you would just travel on in game maps and explore and fight and talk, in Stankmaker, your typical adventure goes like this:

1. Set out to travel to distant point of interest from capital city.
2. Spend 4 minutes traveling on boring world map, beset by pointless random encounters/fights, resting, and pointless party banter.
3. Arrive at said point of interest, spend 10 seconds waiting for map to load.
4. Realize the map is a tiny 4x4 affair with some dull pointless encounter in 90% of cases.
5. Get out of map (after another generous loading screen), start looking for next tiny map to travel to, realize you need to go back to capital city to address some groundbreaking event (Linzi whining, Jubilost whining, etc), spend 2 minutes going back.
6. Rinse and repeat 4000 times.

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

I hit Level 6 at the StagLord's gates with my AT. I have it enabled so that the character performing the skill check gets the sole XP. I think the only available areas I did not clear were the Boggart Cave and Wererat Cave. My party size was 4-5 almost the entire chapter. It only filled up completely just before The Stag Lord. I had the option selected so that XP was divided by N, rather than 6. I wasn't aware that the 6th division was going to companions I hadn't yet met. When Regongar joined as my 6th, he was only Level 2.

Mr Josh "no extra xp for small parties" Sawyer could rot in hell along with his ideas on the subject.
Well, maybe not Josh himself, but his ideas - definitely.

Amen. Where it seems like pure idiocy, it was actually a choice out of cowardice and design convenience. The notion of players out-scaling his encounters was unbearable, so the natural choice was to eliminate fun. In a game. A single player game.

The single worst thing about Cuckmaker is the overhead.

My only issue with the overhead is not being able to respond to Kingdom issues directly. In Chapter 2, I've experienced adviser shortages that have annoyed me. I see no reason why the PC cannot fill any given role. I took a few points of Community & Loyalty loss because I didn't want to discontinue my advisers and ruin their project a few days before it was completed. Annoying.

 

[polo]

The single worst thing about Cuckmaker is the overhead. Whereas in BG saga or other similar games, you would just travel on in game maps and explore and fight and talk, in Stankmaker, your typical adventure goes like this:

1. Set out to travel to distant point of interest from capital city.
2. Spend 4 minutes traveling on boring world map, beset by pointless random encounters/fights, resting, and pointless party banter.
3. Arrive at said point of interest, spend 10 seconds waiting for map to load.
4. Realize the map is a tiny 4x4 affair with some dull pointless encounter in 90% of cases.
5. Get out of map (after another generous loading screen), start looking for next tiny map to travel to, realize you need to go back to capital city to address some groundbreaking event (Linzi whining, Jubilost whining, etc), spend 2 minutes going back.
6. Rinse and repeat 4000 times.

I can actually see some truth between all that butthurt.

 

[Desiderius]

I hit Level 6 at the StagLord's gates with my AT. I have it enabled so that the character performing the skill check gets the sole XP. I think the only available areas I did not clear were the Boggart Cave and Wererat Cave. My party size was 4-5 almost the entire chapter. It only filled up completely just before The Stag Lord. I had the option selected so that XP was divided by N, rather than 6. I wasn't aware that the 6th division was going to companions I hadn't yet met. When Regongar joined as my 6th, he was only Level 2.

Mr Josh "no extra xp for small parties" Sawyer could rot in hell along with his ideas on the subject.
Well, maybe not Josh himself, but his ideas - definitely.

Amen. Where it seems like pure idiocy, it was actually a choice out of cowardice and design convenience. The notion of players out-scaling his encounters was unbearable, so the natural choice was to eliminate fun. In a game. A single player game.

The single worst thing about Cuckmaker is the overhead.

My only issue with the overhead is not being able to respond to Kingdom issues directly. In Chapter 2, I've experienced adviser shortages that have annoyed me. I see no reason why the PC cannot fill any given role. I took a few points of Community & Loyalty loss because I didn't want to discontinue my advisers and ruin their project a few days before it was completed. Annoying.

I’ve recently seen them hop onto a project automatically to prevent this happening.

 

[Efe]

daidre what you are doing is more like abusing displacement glitch in baldurs gate to skip entire acts.
its not cheesing the system when you are changing the system itself and hes not saying you cant do it.
his tl;dr is "dont go around saying i did unfair runs when you choose not to participate in hardest part of unfair difficulty."

 

[Daidre]

"dont go around saying i did unfair runs when you choose not to participate in hardest part of unfair difficulty."

Not that I were bragging about it, personally, but imho Unfair, as name implies, is so stacked up against player that you are supposed to find faults in everything, from enemy AI to xp configurations to disparity in power of PnP classes, and have fun while doing it.

So arguing about "proper" way of getting some stupid achievement and questioning "legitimacy" of someone's bragging rights seems to me a bit... childish.

 

[John Keel]

Should I bother making UMD bypass items restriction ?

IIRC there's only very few items having restriction, and it's only alignement ones, not races... am I remembering correctly?

 

[Haplo]

... Monk only robes...

 

[Desiderius]

... Monk only robes...

And Exotics.

 

[Haplo]

Exotics is different. You need a proficiency to use them correctly.

There was also this paladin-only armor, though.

 

[John Keel]

yeah UMD is only for classes, races and alignement iirc

The pal armor is the one giving + 3wisdom ?

 

[Desiderius]

"dont go around saying i did unfair runs when you choose not to participate in hardest part of unfair difficulty."

Not that I were bragging about it, personally, but imho Unfair, as name implies, is so stacked up against player that you are supposed to find faults in everything, from enemy AI to xp configurations to disparity in power of PnP classes, and have fun while doing it.

So arguing about "proper" way of getting some stupid achievement and questioning "legitimacy" of someone's bragging rights seems to me a bit... childish.

Yeah, that applies to the part of the game in question.

Best experience is default EXP sharing starting on Challenging then going up a difficulty level per chapter. Optional skillcheck EXP hogging late to get to lvl 20 in time for endgame.

 

[Desiderius]

yeah UMD is only for classes, races and alignement iirc

The pal armor is the one giving + 3wisdom ?

2 Wis, 2 CHR, 2 Smites

Can already be equipped by Good characters IIRC.

 

[Desiderius]

Exotics is different. You need a proficiency to use them correctly.

There was also this paladin-only armor, though.

Not Monk weapon exotics.

 

[ArchAngel]

No, you didn't change difficulty options to get one or another but in PKM you need to so you can get same effect. Seriously.. are you being this dense on purpose ?!

I just defend my right to cheese the shit out of abusable game/engine mechanics in my moddable SP game.

Mr Josh "no extra xp for small parties" Sawyer could rot in hell along with his ideas on the subject.
Well, maybe not Josh himself, but his ideas - definitely.

Well you are of course allowed to play the game on easier difficulty, I am not disputing that.
Of course I am allowed to call it what it is, lowering the difficulty of Act 1.

What you did was bragging about how you found a clever way to level up faster, I just pointed out there is nothing clever about it as it is just lowering difficulty in game's own difficulty option screen.

 

[John Keel]

That's kinda trash, bonus is enhancement .... when do you get it ?!

 

[Shadenuat]

in troll fortress.

 

[Daidre]

What you did was bragging about how you found a clever way to level up faster, I just pointed out there is nothing clever about it as it is just lowering difficulty in game's own difficulty option screen.

Difference in xp sharing option for inactive companions is almost neglectable when you do 4 > 6 man party in long run.

Keeping it off and "Only skill user gets xp" always on, without runtime changes, will produce 95+% of same result and should fit your bragging-allowed criteria.

But this kind of battle is difficult to win:

- at first changing options is not nice
- than you abused Deadly Earth and no longer qualify
- and no, modded Unfair is no longer Unfair
- Vivi fans also should not apply, one level dip is cancer
- Communal Delay Poison is implemented wrong, so all fans of Stinking Cloud are almost cheaters
- and those who like summons are abusers of faulty AI
-... Maybe we should exclude everyone with DLC too, they got more money and xp, it is P2W!

 

[John Keel]

Guess that's alright then, still, not sure implementing UMD per PNP is worth it atm without adding tons of restricted items