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[Pink Eye]

Here's a question - is there a point to going Weapon Finesse instead of just pumping STR? I'm currently playing a Rogue/Cleric with low STR and high DEX, but I might reroll/respec the entire way around.

>is there a point to going Weapon Finesse instead of just pumping STR?
What do you mean? Could you go into detail about that? Because I don't understand.

 

[RK47]

Well, somehow Amiri can wield a Shield with her Ginormous Sword.

 

[Lacrymas]

>is there a point to going Weapon Finesse instead of just pumping STR?
What do you mean? Could you go into detail about that? Because I don't understand.

What is there to not understand? Instead of using a finesse weapon and the feat, I just pump STR instead, it gives damage as well as attack rolls, while Weapon Finesse only gives attack rolls.

 

[Sentinel]

Here's a question - is there a point to going Weapon Finesse instead of just pumping STR? I'm currently playing a Rogue/Cleric with low STR and high DEX, but I might reroll/respec the entire way around.

DEX affects things like Mobility/Stealth/Trickery on top of giving you more AC. It's basically perfect for a rogue. Instead of not being able to hit shit cause of lower STR, the feat allows you to more or less ignore STR and use your DEX for attack rolls instead. It's pretty good.

 

[Lacrymas]

For a pure Rogue, yeah, but I'm thinking of something like 15 Cleric/5 Rogue. Or 13 Cleric/7 Rogue, not sure yet. Is stealth at all useful? Or at least useful enough to go for a dexterity build.

 

[Pink Eye]

Why are you multiclassing your cleric?

 

[Lacrymas]

Because it's a build I like playing in RPGs lately? Maybe I should go Vivisectionist instead of Rogue?

 

[Pink Eye]

>Because it's a build I like playing in RPGs lately?
You're going to end up gimping yourself with that build though.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

>Because it's a build I like playing in RPGs lately?
You're going to end up gimping yourself with that build though.

All in the name of good fun.

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t. Dwarven Paladin of Torag

 

[Lacrymas]

>Because it's a build I like playing in RPGs lately?
You're going to end up gimping yourself with that build though.

The utter shock and horror!

 

[Sentinel]

For a pure Rogue, yeah, but I'm thinking of something like 15 Cleric/5 Rogue. Or 13 Cleric/7 Rogue, not sure yet. Is stealth at all useful? Or at least useful enough to go for a dexterity build.

What exactly do you want STR for though?

 

[Delterius]

Here's a question - is there a point to going Weapon Finesse instead of just pumping STR? I'm currently playing a Rogue/Cleric with low STR and high DEX, but I might reroll/respec the entire way around.

From what I understand, DEX melee builds are viable in Pathfinder but they are very feat intensive and, unfortunately, there's nothing like Dervish Dance (DEX to attack and damage rolls).

 

[Lacrymas]

What exactly do you want STR for though?

Damage, lel. The other option is Inquisitor instead of Cleric, I guess. I'm not really sure what the practical difference is tbh.

Inquisitor/Vivisectionist?

 

[FreeKaner]

Here's a question - is there a point to going Weapon Finesse instead of just pumping STR? I'm currently playing a Rogue/Cleric with low STR and high DEX, but I might reroll/respec the entire way around.

I was doing a cleric of calistria with rapier going for this, since rapiers often have dex to damage trait. I found it not good on clerics. Normally you go dex on damage, which uses up few feats to consolidate your offensive and defensive on both dex so you can go unarmoured or light armoured to take those feats. However it's not worth with clerics because you can take stuff like effortless armour and what not, plus you don't really have enough feats to spare for weapon finesse and the like then get the feats to specialise in dex on top. I was doing pure cleric however and if you only get few levels of cleric and mostly rogue it might be worthwhile.

There is an agile rapier +2 in act 2 shop to go for. In my pure cleric built my character was more of a frontliner/buffer/debuffer and honestly the damage didn't matter much in general. However an inquisitor/rogue or pure inquisitor even might work with this. I didn't do that for aesthetic reasons.

It is worthwhile in this game in particular because you can do monk dips and such to stack your AC up to a level unreachable by armour characters, though there is definitely a feat trade-off because dex AC defensive builds are more feat heavy.

If you want to do a damage dealer cleric/inquisitor, I would say going with medium armour and just some dex to pick up some key feats might actually be better. Cleric damage comes from self-buffs and enemy debuffs (which benefits whole party) and inquisitor is just judgement and weapon enhancement stacking which is better with STR/Armour builds. Inquisitor might be able to do dex melee simply because of free teamwork feats, but I feel it would be lacklustre in damage dealing.

 

[santino27]

For a pure Rogue, yeah, but I'm thinking of something like 15 Cleric/5 Rogue. Or 13 Cleric/7 Rogue, not sure yet. Is stealth at all useful? Or at least useful enough to go for a dexterity build.

The problem with weapon finesse is, as you've seen, damage. If you go to at least rog 4, you can get finesse training for free and pick a weapon type, but then you're locked into that weapon type (or agile weapons). It does let you also go dex and have higher ac, but I find strength more valuable, personally. And stealth is not super meaningful, imo.

Regardless, everything is viable, so if it fits your character idea, then go for it.

 

[Desiderius]

Well, somehow Amiri can wield a Shield with her Ginormous Sword.

I somehow got Amiri using her Animal Totem claws in addition to Ovrinbaane full attax at one point. Her weapon slots are buggy as hell.

 

[Desiderius]

Here's a question - is there a point to going Weapon Finesse instead of just pumping STR? I'm currently playing a Rogue/Cleric with low STR and high DEX, but I might reroll/respec the entire way around.

I was doing a cleric of calistria with rapier going for this, since rapiers often have dex to damage trait. I found it not good on clerics. Normally you go dex on damage, which uses up few feats to consolidate your offensive and defensive on both dex so you can go unarmoured or light armoured to take those feats. However it's not worth with clerics because you can take stuff like effortless armour and what not, plus you don't really have enough feats to spare for weapon finesse and the like then get the feats to specialise in dex on top. I was doing pure cleric however and if you only get few levels of cleric and mostly rogue it might be worthwhile.

There is an agile rapier +2 in act 2 shop to go for. In my pure cleric built my character was more of a frontliner/buffer/debuffer and honestly the damage didn't matter much in general. However an inquisitor/rogue or pure inquisitor even might work with this. I didn't do that for aesthetic reasons.

It is worthwhile in this game in particular because you can do monk dips and such to stack your AC up to a level unreachable by armour characters, though there is definitely a feat trade-off because dex AC defensive builds are more feat heavy.

If you want to do a damage dealer cleric/inquisitor, I would say going with medium armour and just some dex to pick up some key feats might actually be better. Cleric damage comes from self-buffs and enemy debuffs (which benefits whole party) and inquisitor is just judgement and weapon enhancement stacking which is better with STR/Armour builds. Inquisitor might be able to do dex melee simply because of free teamwork feats, but I feel it would be lacklustre in damage dealing.

Enlarging effects are so broken with STR-based that it's hard to argue for DEX. See Haplo's stuff. Ultimately with Cleric you get the granddaddy - Frightful Aspect - so STR is really the way to go there.

 

[Lacrymas]

If you want to do a damage dealer cleric/inquisitor, I would say going with medium armour and just some dex to pick up some key feats might actually be better. Cleric damage comes from self-buffs and enemy debuffs (which benefits whole party) and inquisitor is just judgement and weapon enhancement stacking which is better with STR/Armour builds. Inquisitor might be able to do dex melee simply because of free teamwork feats, but I feel it would be lacklustre in damage dealing.

I'm not married to the DEX idea, I just want to be able to sneak attack fairly successfully. In the tabletop game I'm currently playing as a player, I'm a Cleric who was a criminal in her past, so she uses a bunch of tricks she learned back then (including stealth and deception), but the RP side of this video RPG is lacking and stealth has never been all that great without Hide in Plain Sight in real time games. That's why I'm entertaining the notion of going STR-based Inquisitor (or Cleric)/Vivisectionist instead. Same concept, just a different way to get there.

 

[Desiderius]

consider slayer for shield-bashing build

Slayer or Ranger are best for STR-based since you can get two-weapon fighting without the DEX prereq via Combat Style Feats.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Because it's a build I like playing in RPGs lately? Maybe I should go Vivisectionist instead of Rogue?

you realize you're posting in munchkin central, right?

 

[Lacrymas]

you realize you're posting in munchkin central, right?

That's exactly why I'm asking. Since this isn't 3.5E and I haven't memorized the rules since I was 14, I have no idea what I'm doing and I need guidance to ...better this weird character build I like playing. I did notice immediately that DEX is iffy and wanted to know whether to keep pursuing that or just go STR instead.

 

[FreeKaner]

Because it's a build I like playing in RPGs lately? Maybe I should go Vivisectionist instead of Rogue?

you realize you're posting in munchkin central, right?

There is no such exclusion honestly. I tend to pick a character idea and go with it, but while playing it I try to maximise its potential within the system. I won't just randomly do a cleric with monk dip if it doesn't make any sense, but if I have a character idea that can be conceived as a cleric with monk training, dipping monk at level 2 to get WIS to AC, as well as free dodge and crane style will happen.

 

[Lacrymas]

Yes, you can optimize within "non-meta" builds as well. I find it more enjoyable lately to come up with character concepts and translate that into builds.

 

[Joseph Stalin]

Is Infinitron correct, comrades? Is the "Easy" monster difficulty setting more similar to a "Core Rulebook" difficulty?

 

[Desiderius]

Because it's a build I like playing in RPGs lately? Maybe I should go Vivisectionist instead of Rogue?

you realize you're posting in munchkin central, right?

My last couple playthroughs were thematic builds that went away from the most effective options.

I'm the guy who tanks with Tristian so you whatever with the munchkin nonsense. You want munchkin read InEffect.