Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Desiderius]

Here's an example of what looks like stat bloat instead providing a very memorable gaming experience:

They could probably have cut 30% or so of the stats out without losing much but the increased range (while not getting to D:OS II.Diablo III exponential stats) expands the variety of encounters and options to the player to deal with them.

 

[FriendlyMerchant]

Getting numbers and making them bigger. That's what the d20 system is about.

 

[Pink Eye]

I am looking forward to getting destroyed by super ultra mega buffed MYTHICAL enemies. HOLY SHIT!

 

[oldmanpaco]

I forget is this the game where if you have a ton of custom portraits it slows things down?

 

[FriendlyMerchant]

I forget is this the game where if you have a ton of custom portraits it slows things down?

Yeah.

 

[Desiderius]

I forget is this the game where if you have a ton of custom portraits it slows things down?

The mod has too many. Pick out your favorite hundred or so and you're good.

 

[oldmanpaco]

I forget is this the game where if you have a ton of custom portraits it slows things down?

Yeah.

I forget is this the game where if you have a ton of custom portraits it slows things down?

The mod has too many. Pick out your favorite hundred or so and you're good.

Man its a pain in the ass to go through all the pics due to the fact they all need to be in their own directory. I need 5 waifus for my custom play-through and I like a wide selection for inspiration.

If I delete the extra after I hire the mercenaries is that OK or is the save already messed up?

 

[oldmanpaco]

Also can you get shatter defense without weapon focus/Dazzling Display? Can you get it through combat tricks that bards/alchemist/rogues get? Thought you could but maybe I'm just imagining things.

 

[santino27]

Also can you get shatter defense without weapon focus/Dazzling Display? Can you get it through combat tricks that bards/alchemist/rogues get? Thought you could but maybe I'm just imagining things.

AFAIK, combat trick feat doesn't allow you to skip the pre-reqs. You may be thinking of the ranger combat style menacing combat. Ranger combat style feats DO let you skip the pre-reqs.

 

[oldmanpaco]

Also can you get shatter defense without weapon focus/Dazzling Display? Can you get it through combat tricks that bards/alchemist/rogues get? Thought you could but maybe I'm just imagining things.

Combat trick feat doesn't allow you to skip the pre-reqs. You may be thinking of the ranger combat style menacing combat. Like all ranger combat style picks, you can skip the pre-reqs.

Yeah maybe that is what it was. Planning an unfair run and shatter defense seems like a necessity for my less than alpha strike melee party.

 

[Desiderius]

Also can you get shatter defense without weapon focus/Dazzling Display? Can you get it through combat tricks that bards/alchemist/rogues get? Thought you could but maybe I'm just imagining things.

Combat trick feat doesn't allow you to skip the pre-reqs. You may be thinking of the ranger combat style menacing combat. Like all ranger combat style picks, you can skip the pre-reqs.

Yeah maybe that is what it was. Planning an unfair run and shatter defense seems like a necessity for my less than alpha strike melee party.

It's dece but undead is immune from fear, getting shaken on mobs isn't always trivial etc... I've used it less as I rely less on iteratives, except on ranged toons that have other ways to land them.

 

[Desiderius]

Man its a pain in the ass to go through all the pics due to the fact they all need to be in their own directory. I need 5 waifus for my custom play-through and I like a wide selection for inspiration./QUOTE]

Took me about half an hour to find forty good ones.

 

[santino27]

Man its a pain in the ass to go through all the pics due to the fact they all need to be in their own directory. I need 5 waifus for my custom play-through and I like a wide selection for inspiration./QUOTE]

Took me about half an hour to find forty good ones.

I just made my own half-dozen because I am old and no longer work for a living.

 

[Daidre]

Any opinions on how the new turn-based mode affects the difficulty? I originally played RTwP on Challenging Mode and found the boss fights extremely tedious. Some bosses could wipe the entire party in seconds (troll king), severely limiting my offensive options. I was thinking of lowering the difficulty on a replay, but perhaps the new turn-based mode allows for more flexibility.

I've tried official TB and imo it is drastically easier than RTwP.
There two biggest differences, beside obvious things like better micro and etc:

1) AI in TB is extra retarded. I do not know if it were a same in original mod, but official TB has a huge issue with wide-spread enemy packs. There is something really wrong with combat/enemy detection range and mobs that are a bit farther from the party in the beginning of a fight do not aggro properly and completely ignore you until you come up close. So what was in RTwP a huge fight against, for example, 5-6 spiders attacking you from all sides, splits into parts in TB where you can blatantly kill enemies almost one by one.

2) Lack of free movement nerfs enemy melees hard. They usually reach party fast and almost simultaneous in RTwP in a couple of seconds, but in TB my archers and mages often have 1-2 rounds to shoot/CC everyone to death before enemy melees even connect to my front line. I've also noticed enemies skipping their turns completely in the first/surprise round, probably due to the same problem as in p.1.

 

[Joseph Stalin]

Jesus Christ, they're still releasing patches. Tell me, people who are currently playing, are those patches for old bugs, or new ones introduced by the Turn-Based Update?

 

[Tavernking]

Jesus Christ, they're still releasing patches. Tell me, people who are currently playing, are those patches for old bugs, or new ones introduced by the Turn-Based Update?

The game is still quite buggy. The capes can sometimes fly around in random directions, the ragdoll physics can sometimes result in a hilarious bug where the body is strung out like human spaghetti, and sometimes upon loading an old save in a dungeon, bodies of enemies you have already killed will be standing as if they hadn't been killed - but they won't attack you.

This is all from just a few hours of gameplay.

 

[Joseph Stalin]

Jesus Christ, they're still releasing patches. Tell me, people who are currently playing, are those patches for old bugs, or new ones introduced by the Turn-Based Update?

The game is still quite buggy. The capes can sometimes fly around in random directions, the ragdoll physics can sometimes result in a hilarious bug where the body is strung out like human spaghetti, and sometimes upon loading an old save in a dungeon, bodies of enemies you have already killed will be standing as if they hadn't been killed - but they won't attack you.

This is all from just a few hours of gameplay.

Those are bugs from before the turn-based update.

 

[NJClaw]

Jesus Christ, they're still releasing patches. Tell me, people who are currently playing, are those patches for old bugs, or new ones introduced by the Turn-Based Update?

If I'm not mistaken, the last pre-TB patch was in January. This leads me to believe that most (if not all) of the problems addressed with recent patches were introduced with the TB update.

 

[Joseph Stalin]

Jesus Christ, they're still releasing patches. Tell me, people who are currently playing, are those patches for old bugs, or new ones introduced by the Turn-Based Update?

If I'm not mistaken, the last pre-TB patch was in January. This leads me to believe that most (if not all) of the problems addressed with recent patches were introduced with the TB update.

Great, another six months of patching await. Just as I was about to begin my playthrough.

 

[NJClaw]

Jesus Christ, they're still releasing patches. Tell me, people who are currently playing, are those patches for old bugs, or new ones introduced by the Turn-Based Update?

If I'm not mistaken, the last pre-TB patch was in January. This leads me to believe that most (if not all) of the problems addressed with recent patches were introduced with the TB update.

Great, another six months of patching await. Just as I was about to begin my playthrough.

If you really want to play a more stable versione of the game, I guess you can try this: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1086279994

 

[InD_ImaginE]

Any opinions on how the new turn-based mode affects the difficulty? I originally played RTwP on Challenging Mode and found the boss fights extremely tedious. Some bosses could wipe the entire party in seconds (troll king), severely limiting my offensive options. I was thinking of lowering the difficulty on a replay, but perhaps the new turn-based mode allows for more flexibility.

I've tried official TB and imo it is drastically easier than RTwP.
There two biggest differences, beside obvious things like better micro and etc:

1) AI in TB is extra retarded. I do not know if it were a same in original mod, but official TB has a huge issue with wide-spread enemy packs. There is something really wrong with combat/enemy detection range and mobs that are a bit farther from the party in the beginning of a fight do not aggro properly and completely ignore you until you come up close. So what was in RTwP a huge fight against, for example, 5-6 spiders attacking you from all sides, splits into parts in TB where you can blatantly kill enemies almost one by one.

2) Lack of free movement nerfs enemy melees hard. They usually reach party fast and almost simultaneous in RTwP in a couple of seconds, but in TB my archers and mages often have 1-2 rounds to shoot/CC everyone to death before enemy melees even connect to my front line. I've also noticed enemies skipping their turns completely in the first/surprise round, probably due to the same problem as in p.1.

so yeah pretty much no reason to play this on TB for me then

thanks!

 

[Anthedon]

I've been playing since the Definitive Edition hit and have no problems. I'm playing RTwP though.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

It's fucking Arcanum all over again.
"No I don't want RTwP"
"TB is superior cause I'm a fucking braindead moron"
"GIVE ME TB WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH"
Cunts.

People asking for TB have nothing to do with TB being implemented. Owlcat wanted to release the games on consoles, and majority of console gamers don't use mice.

 

[Lacrymas]

I think we can extrapolate a rule from PoE2 and Kingmaker's TB modes - TB modes in games designed for RTwP are a compromise at best, just don't.

 

[Trash Player]

2) Lack of free movement nerfs enemy melees hard. They usually reach party fast and almost simultaneous in RTwP in a couple of seconds, but in TB my archers and mages often have 1-2 rounds to shoot/CC everyone to death before enemy melees even connect to my front line.

It is pretty much what is in PnP. Most foot sloggers can move less than 100 feet a turn but medium range+ spells and long range weapons can hit longer than that.
Melee sucks by the rules as it is written.