Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Desiderius]

Deus Vult

Note that I consider Byzantium to have been Lawful Evil.
I am Greek and culturally Christian, btw, it is not that I dislike Byzantium. Rome was softer and lasted 1000 years less.

The transvaluation of values, the legacy of limp dick Christianity.

 

[oldmanpaco]

Its already been established that NE is the best alignment. Y'all need to shut the fuck up about it now.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Deus Vult

Note that I consider Byzantium to have been Lawful Evil.
I am Greek and culturally Christian, btw, it is not that I dislike Byzantium. Rome was softer and lasted 1000 years less.

The transvaluation of values, the legacy of limp dick Christianity.

Nah, it was there from the start. Only that earlier Christians chose to ignore the less appealing aspects of the faith and/or to interpret them differently from modern Christians and their sensibilities.

 

[oldmanpaco]

Not heresy just gimping yourself.

Without mercs you cannot use those sexy portraits. I don't want to be looking at Val or god forbid Linzi for 100 hours.

 

[Desiderius]

Evil is for suckers. There’s always a bigger asshole.

No, there isn't, when you are the King. That's the point of it.

Anyway, Lawful Evil still has strict rules. Almost all the strict systems throughout history that lasted have been lawful evil. Personally, I 'd say nature itself is lawful evil.

Two millennia and counting, motherfucker.

Deus Vult

I'd consider Abrahamic faiths as being lawful evil as well since they decree that man should suppress his natural instincts.

Get yourself to church Vatnik, you’re in need of Right teaching.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Evil is for suckers. There’s always a bigger asshole.

No, there isn't, when you are the King. That's the point of it.

Anyway, Lawful Evil still has strict rules. Almost all the strict systems throughout history that lasted have been lawful evil. Personally, I 'd say nature itself is lawful evil.

Two millennia and counting, motherfucker.

Deus Vult

I'd consider Abrahamic faiths as being lawful evil as well since they decree that man should suppress his natural instincts.

Get yourself to church Vatnik, you’re in need of Right teaching.

Slave morality is still slave morality regardless of its coating. Not that I care about people deluding themselves with metaphysical nonsense and Judean myths, mind you; Abrahamic faiths persisted through slaver societies, feudal ones, bourgeois ones (including the one in the video which you've shared) and will continue to do so under socialism. I only care about it insofar as the Christianity which you and your ilk promote is that of the bourgeois elites, serving to inoculate false class consciousness within the religious segments of the proletariat.

 

[Desiderius]

Evil is for suckers. There’s always a bigger asshole.

No, there isn't, when you are the King. That's the point of it.

Anyway, Lawful Evil still has strict rules. Almost all the strict systems throughout history that lasted have been lawful evil. Personally, I 'd say nature itself is lawful evil.

Two millennia and counting, motherfucker.

Deus Vult

I'd consider Abrahamic faiths as being lawful evil as well since they decree that man should suppress his natural instincts.

Get yourself to church Vatnik, you’re in need of Right teaching.

Yes, being fabulously optimistic is what a healthy T-level is for. Check this shit out:

https://architizer.com/blog/inspiration/stories/russia-military-cathedral/

 

[Whisper]

I think it's less an issue of encounter balance and more that Pathfinder is difficult at lower levels by design, which wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the poorly built companions (the main issue). The companion you rely most on to hit things in the early game is Amiri, the 16 Strength Barbarian who specializes in a weapon that reduces her attack rolls by 2... Your main support is Harrim, the 10 Cha melee cleric with 8 Dex, and Linzi, the bard with 14 Con and 8 Str that hits medium load while carrying a crossbow. If you're feeling adventurous you can go with Jaethal, the undead that burns through all of her spells/day for self-healing. Then you have Valerie... the Fighter with FOUR uneven stats, her highest being 19 Con(!) and 15 Cha(?), who sacrifices everything in order to have good AC (poor reflex/will, poor touch AC, poor attack rolls, poor damage, no skills, no utility).

 

[Desiderius]

Evil is for suckers. There’s always a bigger asshole.

No, there isn't, when you are the King. That's the point of it.

Anyway, Lawful Evil still has strict rules. Almost all the strict systems throughout history that lasted have been lawful evil. Personally, I 'd say nature itself is lawful evil.

Two millennia and counting, motherfucker.

Deus Vult

I'd consider Abrahamic faiths as being lawful evil as well since they decree that man should suppress his natural instincts.

Get yourself to church Vatnik, you’re in need of Right teaching.

Slave morality is still slave morality regardless of its coating. Not that I care about people deluding themselves with metaphysical nonsense and Judean myths, mind you; Abrahamic faiths persisted through slaver societies, feudal ones, bourgeois ones (including the one in the video which you've shared) and will continue to do so under socialism. I only care about it insofar as the Christianity which you and your ilk promote is that of the bourgeois elites, serving to inoculate false class consciousness within the religious segments of the proletariat.

Me?

No, kimosabe, not me. I’m from the mountain not the burg.

 

[Whisper]

Don't forget the 8con Wizard who sunk a level into Rogue and took Necromancy and Abjuration as her opposing schools. Ugh.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Yes, being fabulously optimistic is what a healthy T-level is for. Check this shit out:

https://architizer.com/blog/inspiration/stories/russia-military-cathedral/

Told you that I don't take any issues with your desert faith, mate. It is only the bourgeois class character through which it is currently being filtered by contemporary religious elites which I oppose.

Proletarian Christianity is kosher.

 

[Delterius]

jesus christ stop ruining this thread with slavic church of national stalinism pls

this is owlcat turf

 

[Xamenos]

Amiri, the 16 Strength Barbarian who specializes in a weapon that reduces her attack rolls by 2...

What is Rage? What are buffs? And give her a fucking Greatsword you moron.

Harrim, the 10 Cha melee cleric with 8 Dex,

The cleric who can wear heavy armor and has 18 wis? Do you seriously need help using him?

and Linzi, the bard with 14 Con and 8 Str that hits medium load while carrying a crossbow.

Give her a LIGHT crossbow you fucking idiot. The damage is negligible anyway. And what the fuck, 14 con is pretty good for a spellcaster who has no business being anywhere the frontlines.

If you're feeling adventurous you can go with Jaethal, the undead that burns through all of her spells/day for self-healing. Then you have Valerie... the Fighter with FOUR uneven stats, her highest being 19 Con(!) and 15 Cha(?), who sacrifices everything in order to have good AC (poor reflex/will, poor touch AC, poor attack rolls, poor damage, no skills, no utility).

What the actual fuck? Is this bait? Did I just waste the past few minutes of my life on a stupid troll?

Don't forget the 8con Wizard who sunk a level into Rogue and took Necromancy and Abjuration as her opposing schools. Ugh.

Maybe just retarded. I have seen many hot takes about Kingmaker's companion, but few that were quite as wrong as you. Congratulations?

 

[Delterius]

i can't hear complaints over all these belts of physical perfection i keep finding in my kingdom lol

 

[Desiderius]

jesus christ stop ruining this thread with slavic church of national stalinism pls

this is owlcat turf

That ain't Stalin champ.

 

[Desiderius]

I think it's less an issue of encounter balance and more that Pathfinder is difficult at lower levels by design, which wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the poorly built companions (the main issue). The companion you rely most on to hit things in the early game is Amiri, the 16 Strength Barbarian who specializes in a weapon that reduces her attack rolls by 2... Your main support is Harrim, the 10 Cha melee cleric with 8 Dex, and Linzi, the bard with 14 Con and 8 Str that hits medium load while carrying a crossbow. If you're feeling adventurous you can go with Jaethal, the undead that burns through all of her spells/day for self-healing. Then you have Valerie... the Fighter with FOUR uneven stats, her highest being 19 Con(!) and 15 Cha(?), who sacrifices everything in order to have good AC (poor reflex/will, poor touch AC, poor attack rolls, poor damage, no skills, no utility).

You always have the option not to suck.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

jesus christ stop ruining this thread with slavic church of national stalinism pls

this is owlcat turf

That ain't Stalin champ.

On that note, I feel somewhat rude for referring to Christianity as a 'desert faith' now that you've brofisted that previous post of mine. Sorry for being needlessly rude, brah.

 

[Shadenuat]

Give her a LIGHT crossbow you fucking idiot. The damage is negligible anyway. And what the fuck, 14 con is pretty good for a spellcaster who has no business being anywhere the frontlines

my Mad Dog Barbarian Linzi shoeless goddess of war objects

 

[Xamenos]

my Mad Dog Barbarian Linzi shoeless goddess of war objects

He did specify "Linzi the Bard'. Still, points for that reference.

 

[Desiderius]

Deus Vult

Note that I consider Byzantium to have been Lawful Evil.
I am Greek and culturally Christian, btw, it is not that I dislike Byzantium. Rome was softer and lasted 1000 years less.

Televangelist: The world and all that is worldly is Evil, to enter the Kingdom of Heaven you must cast it all away, preferably into my back account.

Feminist: Masculinity is Evil incarnate.

Trashos: They're both right, that's ackshually what makes Evil Good.

 

[bec de corbin]

Evil is for suckers. There’s always a bigger asshole.

No, there isn't, when you are the King. That's the point of it.

Anyway, Lawful Evil still has strict rules. Almost all the strict systems throughout history that lasted have been lawful evil. Personally, I 'd say nature itself is lawful evil.

Two millennia and counting, motherfucker.

Deus Vult

yeah, there's never been any evil things done by christian leaders, and

 

[Desiderius]

jesus christ stop ruining this thread with slavic church of national stalinism pls

this is owlcat turf

That ain't Stalin champ.

On that note, I feel somewhat rude for referring to Christianity as a 'desert faith' now that you've brofisted that previous post of mine. Sorry for being needlessly rude, brah.

Jesus with his unamused by Stalin's bullshit face:

 

[Desiderius]

yeah, there's never been any evil things done by christian leaders, and

Hospital for sinners not a hotel for saints.

All y'all need to stop listening to the Rainbow Empire propaganda. It's embarrassing.

 

[Trashos]

Btw, is there anyone here who is as successful during lvls 1-3 as later?

Because I am at a point where I can ironman the game on Hard, except for lvls 1-3. Not sure to what extend it is my fault, but I feel that there is certainly a difficulty dive between lvl3 and lvl4.

elevangelist: The world and all that is worldly is Evil, to enter the Kingdom of Heaven you must cast it all away, preferably into my back account.

Feminist: Masculinity is Evil incarnate.

Trashos: They're both right, that's ackshually what makes Evil Good.

I am not saying Evil is good, I am saying it has a point. We are probably using different definitions for it though. For example, in my definition practical Evil societies allow cruelty, within specific rules in the case of Lawful Evil, but do not necessarily always enforce it.
In many societies, within Christianity too, it has been generally considered perfectly OK to treat those who are below you in hierarchy cruelly (peasants when you are a lord, slaves when you are a citizen, and from what I remember, although I could be wrong, the Bible does not give a shit about animal rights). Is that Evil or not? I say it is, I just don't think it is unnatural or that it should always be avoided.

In Baldur's Gate setting I would probably have been a Harper, trying to keep both Evil and Good in check. I have explained above why I play Evil in Kingmaker, I have never had a lot of chances to have satisfying Evil playthroughs in other games.

 

[Shadenuat]

vatnik and yank unite for pathfinder. (insert anime girl sending heart)

we don't want to end up as BG3 thread.
honestly like what the fuck is going on there now