Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Xamenos]

I really admire Desiderius's and NJClaw's patience when dealing with these hopelessly retarded monkeys.

 

[Desiderius]

Haven't checked in awhile but think it still is. Needs to be since Rays have hard time competing with weapons even with it.

 

[Desiderius]

Desiderius is essentially saying that all you need to do is open the encyclopedia, re-play the game three times, read through the pathfinder rulebook, learn programming and extract the source code from the game to find the relevant ini.file in order to learn the exact calculation.

No, I'm pretty sure Desiderius is grotesquely offended by the suggestion that you need to read the pathfinder rulebook online or do anything other than replaying the game eight times along with right clicking on every pixel of the interface.

No, I just explained that I myself was put off by "having" to use d20 so much, then once I started looking realized to my own embarrassment how much was already there.

The only difference between us is that one of us can admit when he's wrong.

 

[Desiderius]

Desiderius is essentially saying that all you need to do is open the encyclopedia, re-play the game three times, read through the pathfinder rulebook, learn programming and extract the source code from the game to find the relevant ini.file in order to learn the exact calculation.

I'll speak for myself thanks, dipshit.

If you expect to find it you can, if you don't then you bitch and suck.

Your choice.

 

[Average Manatee]

Tell me, have you found where in-game it tells you the primary casting stat for your magic users? Seeing as that is basically the most important knowledge you need to know. Or bonus spells for high stat?

Even for someone with decades of experience in 3rd ed D&D, I know the classes but figuring out the archetypes is basically trial and error except for one or two that have some information in the description.

 

[Saravan]

Tell me, have you found where in-game it tells you the primary casting stat for your magic users? Seeing as that is basically the most important knowledge you need to know. Or bonus spells for high stat?

Please you are going to trigger another screenshot avalanche.

 

[Yosharian]

Nevermind found it

Stolen.

 

[Yosharian]

He's not entirely wrong, the fact that there appears not to be an encyclopedia entry on spell DC is quite laughable

Edit: oh I see it's buried in the Magic section. Oh well.

 

[Saravan]

Desiderius is essentially saying that all you need to do is open the encyclopedia, re-play the game three times, read through the pathfinder rulebook, learn programming and extract the source code from the game to find the relevant ini.file in order to learn the exact calculation.

No, I'm pretty sure Desiderius is grotesquely offended by the suggestion that you need to read the pathfinder rulebook online or do anything other than replaying the game eight times along with right clicking on every pixel of the interface.

No, I just explained that I myself was put off by "having" to use d20 so much, then once I started looking realized to my own embarrassment how much was already there.

The only difference between us is that one of us can admit when he's wrong.

Even in the example you provided yourself you had to go down to Magic > Saving throws to find a calculation for DC hidden in the sixth paragraph which also presupposes the reader understands the ability score only affects it at rounded numbers. This is some next level fanboying.

 

[NJClaw]

What? The whole point is that it's applied not only on hellfire rays, but halves of Hellfire rays. Sneak attack gets applied 6 times for a 3 ray spell. Even going with the assumption that the rules are intentionally changes to make individual rays get individual sneak attack damage, it's broken.

Yes, it's broken because Hellfire Ray has two sources of damage: half its damage is fire and the other half is unholy. Somehow, Owlcat royally fucked up the implementation of attacks with split damage like Hellfire Ray and, as a result, certain types of damage bonuses apply twice. For example, since the quarterstaff Ruin deals split damage (half bludgeoning, half force), you get to apply Sneak Attack and Smite Evil damage bonuses to both damage sources; that's how you can kill the Spawn of Rovagug in a single turn with a Paladin.

 

[The_Mask]

That's useless if you have to look at each individual level.

Is it though?

 

[Stavrophore]

Desiderius is essentially saying that all you need to do is open the encyclopedia, re-play the game three times, read through the pathfinder rulebook, learn programming and extract the source code from the game to find the relevant ini.file in order to learn the exact calculation.

No, I'm pretty sure Desiderius is grotesquely offended by the suggestion that you need to read the pathfinder rulebook online or do anything other than replaying the game eight times along with right clicking on every pixel of the interface.

No, I just explained that I myself was put off by "having" to use d20 so much, then once I started looking realized to my own embarrassment how much was already there.

The only difference between us is that one of us can admit when he's wrong.

Even in the example you provided yourself you had to go down to Magic > Saving throws to find a calculation for DC hidden in the sixth paragraph which also presupposes the reader understands the ability score only affects it at rounded numbers. This is some next level fanboying.

You mean that +5 near charisma? Why it is +5 and not +6? This is the modifier added to DC of spell?

 

[Desiderius]

I thank God every day that my ego is no longer tied up in always being right.

What a massive fucking relief.

 

[Desiderius]

Do the math. When you hit level 8 it will be.

Get there.

Spoiler

 

[Shadenuat]

the magiko is weak
no, here look at all this broken bullshit
oe vey woe me this is all some broken bullshit, why is it not in a tutorial????

 

[Stavrophore]

Do the math. When you hit level 8 it will be.

Get there.

Spoiler

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So what is the formula? All i see 21-15=6, then it says that modifier is +5, which would imply 20-15.

Edit: Judging by yours screeshot the formula is always modified value-base-1.

 

[Average Manatee]

That's useless if you have to look at each individual level.

Is it though?

Considering you can get an infinitely better organized source of information in 5s by googling, yes.

 

[Sharpedge]

Do the math. When you hit level 8 it will be.

Get there.

Spoiler

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So what is the formula? All i see 21-15=6, then it says that modifier is +5, which would imply 20-15.

The modifier bonus is equal to round_down(raw stat -10)/2. In the case of Linzi with 21 Cha, its round_down(21-10)/2 = 5.

 

[Stavrophore]

Do the math. When you hit level 8 it will be.

Get there.

Spoiler

View attachment 19971

So what is the formula? All i see 21-15=6, then it says that modifier is +5, which would imply 20-15.

The modifier bonus is equal to round_down(raw stat -10)/2. In the case of Linzi with 21 Cha, its round_down(21-10)/2 = 5.

Thanks. This formula should be in the game when i hover over the final value. Generally speaking all final values derived from modifier calculation, should have formulas when on hover. Only base, self explanatory, non immutable values like character base stats should be without tooltip, because there's no calculation involved.

 

[Desiderius]

10 is +0
12 is +1
14 is +2

Etc...

This is something you do see in character creation when assigning points.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Here. This isn't perfect because it's presenting the general rules for tabletop, but it gives a good place to start since Owlcat tried to be pretty true to tabletop.

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/

Even though the exchange delivered all sorts of lulz I was going to start needing to make SAN checks at this rate.

 

[Pink Eye]

mediocrepoet You're a party pooper. I was getting some good laughs of this entire conversation.

 

[mediocrepoet]

mediocrepoet You're a party pooper. I was getting some good laughs of this entire conversation.

I was about to go outside and set myself on fire due to a loss of faith in humanity's intellect.

 

[Desiderius]

That's d20. We already covered that.

I learned the game using that because I stupidly believed people that told me that there was no info in-game.

 

[mediocrepoet]

More sincerely, if the aim is to ensure that people don't misrepresent the holy game and actually L2P, etc. then actually giving direction to a fairly comprehensive encyclopedia + the game resources seems to be a better way to go than whatever endless screenshot flipbook was going on here. The autistic leading the blind.

Desiderius yeah, completely effectively covered that. That was so clear from the responses you were getting. If anyone listening to you was anymore illuminated, they'd be blind.