Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Yosharian]

Jesus Christ you are stupid, Lann. 'Women can handle combat because they give birth' must be the most stupid thing I've ever read in this thread and that's saying something

 

[Yosharian]

As a rule, no. But most overtly political literature is pretty crappy, modern stuff doubly so. In your example, it sounds like a tacked on thematic component that doesn't flow naturally from the story or the fantasy.

Which I find is the case with a lot of modern literature that attempts to be political before it attempts to be good poetry. Chiefly, "feminist" art.

But Valerie ain't that. She's a completely typical cliché from the dawn of fantasy itself. The same goes for the concept of plate-wearing women in P:K as a whole - they fit completely naturally into the cartoonish high fantasy setting here. Her main crime as a character is being a fairly run-of-the-mill man-girl-proves-herself-to-the-world-but-really-she's-proving-something-to-herself story, but then again: it's cartoonish high fantasy. The floor for our expecations must be low. Of course there is such a thing as a fiction contract, but females in plate armor don’t come close to breaking that considering what else is allowed as part of this fiction’s non-supernatural.

It is reasonable to want something more than cartoonish high fantasy, is it not?

 

[Shadenuat]

Oh noo! Not women in armour! Anything but women in armour!

I think now that we all went the full circle and people realised that what you thought you wanted was never truly wanted, we can safely drop all this retarded edgyness, faux historicism and HEMA snobism and enjoy pretty girls in any shape and form, as men actually do, by praising those that given us great art like, say, Frank Frazetta and similar.

The age of plate armor is over. I want my next fantasy to only be barbarians in fur loincloth, and naked amiris on sabletooth tigers in postapoc world of ochres and olive shadows.

 

[Zeriel]

As a rule, no. But most overtly political literature is pretty crappy, modern stuff doubly so. In your example, it sounds like a tacked on thematic component that doesn't flow naturally from the story or the fantasy.

Which I find is the case with a lot of modern literature that attempts to be political before it attempts to be good poetry. Chiefly, "feminist" art.

But Valerie ain't that. She's a completely typical cliché from the dawn of fantasy itself. The same goes for the concept of plate-wearing women in P:K as a whole - they fit completely naturally into the cartoonish high fantasy setting here. Her main crime as a character is being a fairly run-of-the-mill man-girl-proves-herself-to-the-world-but-really-she's-proving-something-to-herself story, but then again: it's cartoonish high fantasy. The floor for our expecations must be low. Of course there is such a thing as a fiction contract, but females in plate armor don’t come close to breaking that considering what else is allowed as part of this fiction’s non-supernatural.

It is reasonable to want something more than cartoonish high fantasy, is it not?

Sure, but once you know what Golarion is it becomes pretty clear that's what you're getting. I mean even by the standards of Faerun (which people used to pan), Golarion is exponentially more simplistic and brain-dead than that.

 

[Pink Eye]

The age of plate armor is over.

Nah. I love my armored babes. Hot as fuck!

 

[Shadenuat]

It is reasonable to want something more than cartoonish high fantasy, is it not?

write some instead of your builds you will never play.
pathfinder is stupid fantasy and reason it's not terrible is because it doesn't overextend to be something else.
neither valerie nor kingmaker writing deserve all the air people blown these last pages.
it's a stupid game, it's not Art. what art it has is in the gameplay, how it should be.

 

[Pink Eye]

Anonymous Wife Scholar Do you think Valerie deserves all the air being blown in her direction? Enlighten us, brother.

 

[Shadenuat]

The age of plate armor is over.

Nah. I love my armored babes. Hot as fuck!

but Monks can't wear armor

 

[Desiderius]

I mean Galfrey is Pelosi. I don't know where you're getting brain-dead.

Nothing simplistic about that character, nor was the Lantern King and Nyrissa's dilemma.

 

[Zeriel]

The writing in Pathfinder is good, but Golarion as a setting is retarded as fuck. In my opinion, of course.

It's the distinction between KOTOR 2 and the setting it takes place in.

 

[Pink Eye]

but Monks can't wear armor

But monks usually join a party of adventurers. Surely there will be hot babes in armor, right?

 

[Desiderius]

It is reasonable to want something more than cartoonish high fantasy, is it not?

write some instead of your builds you will never play.
pathfinder is stupid fantasy and reason it's not terrible is because it doesn't overextend to be something else.
neither valerie nor kingmaker writing deserve all the air people blown these last pages.
it's a stupid game, it's not Art. what art it has is in the gameplay, how it should be.

Nihilism's ghey.

People write about what they know and see and want. That's art. Are they lying about it? Yeah the trans chick and her awkward bull dyke gf or whatever. But that's a side hustle.

With Galfrey they're getting down to brass tacks and nailing it.

 

[Shadenuat]

Des you seriously need to relax with your greek philosophies application to valeries, or making parallels to things Russians don't even fucking care to write about. the only reason Russian developers even will write anything sjw or make any parallels to your batshit insane retarded politics is most likely to get some extra sales from stupid westerners who care enough to buy their game because of this.
get out into some forest or river and play with your sons or something, this is where the real future is anyway.

People write about what they know and see and want. That's art.

If you know only your office and see only odnoklassniki you won't write any art.

Spoiler

there is also alcohol/drugs but im against artists falling into this. only drug u need is art itself.

 

[Pink Eye]

Anyways. Now. Jaethal. That's a *real* woman right there. Just look at her dead fish eyes. Cute!

 

[Shadenuat]

I've seen pine trees like that.

 

[Yosharian]

It is reasonable to want something more than cartoonish high fantasy, is it not?

write some instead of your builds you will never play.
pathfinder is stupid fantasy and reason it's not terrible is because it doesn't overextend to be something else.
neither valerie nor kingmaker writing deserve all the air people blown these last pages.
it's a stupid game, it's not Art. what art it has is in the gameplay, how it should be.

I do write my own campaigns actually.

Also how dare you, I play all my builds

 

[Shadenuat]

Also how dare you, I play all my builds

[doubt]



btw the stupidest argument I've read here is all this "if you have real womynz lol you wont like pretty womynz anywhere else" "go get laid" etc. This "if you have real X, you don't need X in xyz" is so retarded, and also puritan, I naturally just imagine someone who just jerked off and then seen some media figure caught by paparazzi jerking off, and began shaming and screaming at other people for jerking off or something like that.
it's usually either people like that or "pure maidens" who react this way.
pure maiden...... oh man I know what tag I'd given Grunker if i could

 

[Saravan]

Jesus christ the autism.

BING XI INCEL - Women in plate armor in a fucking fantasy game with magic, talking trees and midgets that turn into kobolds is plausible. It's not rocket science. Then of course if something very specific inside that fantasy setting doesn't appeal to you, that's alright you don't have to like it. But unless we are talking about something extremely cartoonish or outlandish it's plausible. What wouldn't be plausible? I don't know, I guess in this particular setting if every companion would be able to have their own pet dragon at level 1.

No Desiderius and Lann the Autist, the story isn't that great. It's serviceable, the writing does a decent job of getting you from point A to B, but there sure as hell isn't even close to what some of the great stories exists in other games (e.g. Fallout 2, Planescape Torment or Chrono Trigger for that matter). Half the companions are straight up stereotypes. And it's just mega cringe to try interpret these stories into something far more than what is actually presented. No there is no subversion or hidden meaning, there is no parallels to be made to some greek philosophy or whatever the fuck you are blabbering about now.

Grunker - You are beating your head against a brick wall. You will never get through these people.

 

[Shadenuat]

great stories exists in other games (e.g. Fallout 2

 

[Grunker]

As a rule, no. But most overtly political literature is pretty crappy, modern stuff doubly so. In your example, it sounds like a tacked on thematic component that doesn't flow naturally from the story or the fantasy.

Which I find is the case with a lot of modern literature that attempts to be political before it attempts to be good poetry. Chiefly, "feminist" art.

But Valerie ain't that. She's a completely typical cliché from the dawn of fantasy itself. The same goes for the concept of plate-wearing women in P:K as a whole - they fit completely naturally into the cartoonish high fantasy setting here. Her main crime as a character is being a fairly run-of-the-mill man-girl-proves-herself-to-the-world-but-really-she's-proving-something-to-herself story, but then again: it's cartoonish high fantasy. The floor for our expecations must be low. Of course there is such a thing as a fiction contract, but females in plate armor don’t come close to breaking that considering what else is allowed as part of this fiction’s non-supernatural.

It is reasonable to want something more than cartoonish high fantasy, is it not?

Not from Pathfinder it isn’t. And as a rule, if you “want more”, you shouldn’t be looking to video games.

As a rule, no. But most overtly political literature is pretty crappy, modern stuff doubly so. In your example, it sounds like a tacked on thematic component that doesn't flow naturally from the story or the fantasy.

Which I find is the case with a lot of modern literature that attempts to be political before it attempts to be good poetry. Chiefly, "feminist" art.

But Valerie ain't that. She's a completely typical cliché from the dawn of fantasy itself. The same goes for the concept of plate-wearing women in P:K as a whole - they fit completely naturally into the cartoonish high fantasy setting here. Her main crime as a character is being a fairly run-of-the-mill man-girl-proves-herself-to-the-world-but-really-she's-proving-something-to-herself story, but then again: it's cartoonish high fantasy. The floor for our expecations must be low. Of course there is such a thing as a fiction contract, but females in plate armor don’t come close to breaking that considering what else is allowed as part of this fiction’s non-supernatural.

It is reasonable to want something more than cartoonish high fantasy, is it not?

Sure, but once you know what Golarion is it becomes pretty clear that's what you're getting. I mean even by the standards of Faerun (which people used to pan), Golarion is exponentially more simplistic and brain-dead than that.

Faerun gets a bad rep due to the bad books and modern evolution of the setting. Plus I guess the fact that it was made to be stock fantasy. The “box sets” of lore released during AD&D is some of the only good setting stuff that has been released for high fantasy. It’s still D&D high fantasy but as far as atmosphere and interesting spins on society to set up roleplaying goes, it’s some of the best stuff there is. It fleshes out the actual interesting and RP-facilitating stuff about these societies like laws, customs, myths, cultural identity and such in a way most modern RPG supplements just don't because they have to be filled with a ton of rules.

It is reasonable to want something more than cartoonish high fantasy, is it not?

pathfinder is stupid fantasy and reason it's not terrible is because it doesn't overextend to be something else.
neither valerie nor kingmaker writing deserve all the air people blown these last pages.
it's a stupid game, it's not Art. what art it has is in the gameplay, how it should be.

The shade speaketh the truth. Despite his incoherent rant about "pure maidens"

 

[Inhabitants of Khorinis]

Oh noo! Not women in armour! Anything but women in armour!

I think now that we all went the full circle and people realised that what you thought you wanted was never truly wanted, we can safely drop all this retarded edgyness, faux historicism and HEMA snobism and enjoy pretty girls in any shape and form, as men actually do, by praising those that given us great art like, say, Frank Frazetta and similar.

The age of plate armor is over. I want my next fantasy to only be barbarians in fur loincloth, and naked amiris on sabletooth tigers in postapoc world of ochres and olive shadows.

Between Butch feminists in heavy armour and "no women allowed, get back in the kitchen" this is the only good take.

 

[Shadenuat]

Despite his incoherent rant

What's incoherent there? But very well, here's what I mean:
Even when you say something truthful you put it in such high and mighty way with metaphors that make you sound like LE villain a-la Edwin that it's cringier to read than most zealous Desiderus fanaticism. It's like reading MRY but bad.

 

[Grunker]

Despite his incoherent rant

What's incoherent there? But very well, here's what I mean:
Even when you say something truthful you put it in such high and mighty way with metaphors that make you sound like LE villain a-la Edwin that it's cringier to read than most zealous Desiderus fanaticism. It's like reading MRY but bad.

I get that, I don't get what that has to do with pure maidens. What am I saying that's particularly puritan..?

 

[Shadenuat]

Hm I think it fits, but I probably should have used "Noble Maiden" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_Noble_Maidens . It just has this connotation on russian which might not translate ideally into english.

(but I still think you're quite a pure maiden )

 

[Shadenuat]

What am I saying that's particularly puritan..?

stuff ala get laid or if we're talking genders in fantasy = self projection etc. is stuff I often hear from puritans.

I will not declare you an outright puritan if you plead so. I am just like an Inquisitor, always in search of puritans because I am tired of that garbo.