Accost me to declare me a puritan and it's pistols at dawn. Cringe... well, I'm on a cRPG website arguing the merits of women in plate by calling other posters names. I think that race is probably run
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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat
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Accost me to declare me a puritan and it's pistols at dawn. Cringe... well, I'm on a cRPG website arguing the merits of women in plate by calling other posters names. I think that race is probably run
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To be fair it's difficult to not draw the conclusion that someone has never touched a woman in their life if they get this triggered that a pixel woman appears in plate armor inside a fantasy setting with at least hundreds of other things that would be equally if not extremely more outlandish.
People are just tired of untruthfulness and pretentiousness I think. There was nothing wrong with naked women on dinosaurs until there was a particular turn for more realistic armor since gamers actually pointed out that having supra serious plot and bikinis clash with each other. But developers themselves could begin doing it just cause they see where wind blows. They're not like say Vavra, who made a real historical game with mastery because he wanted it like that, or belonged to people who wanted it like that.
All these artists or writers who had no problems before doing thing x which was popular try and switch to another thing x which is popular and it all just looks like changing shoes very quickly.
Because of that, asians who just make all their characters hot babes and troll the west actually look sane (sincere) by comparison, because they know who their market is, and they do not pretend they do it because they're morally superior or suddenly like all the realism.
As Xi Lao said, which I think is somewhat interesting: it is not enough to make Joane of Arc by putting woman in armor etc., you actually need a proper good, believable character to fit, to make her believable for realismfags.
Which, tho, is beyond the scope of Pathfinder anyway, and their writers skill. After all, the main problem of Valerie is that she is horribly boringly written, to the point that some second-class NPC from BG1 like Branwen had funnier dialogue lines than her.
All these artists or writers who had no problems before doing thing x which was popular try and switch to another thing x which is popular and it all just looks like changing shoes very quickly.
Because of that, asians who just make all their characters hot babes and troll the west actually look sane (sincere) by comparison, because they know who their market is, and they do not pretend they do it because they're morally superior or suddenly like all the realism.
As Xi Lao said, which I think is somewhat interesting: it is not enough to make Joane of Arc by putting woman in armor etc., you actually need a proper good, believable character to fit, to make her believable for realismfags.
Which, tho, is beyond the scope of Pathfinder anyway, and their writers skill. After all, the main problem of Valerie is that she is horribly boringly written, to the point that some second-class NPC from BG1 like Branwen had funnier dialogue lines than her.
In a PATHFINDER game set in GOLARION that adapts a preexisting adventure published by PAIZO?
It's right to want something more than cartoonish high fantasy but no, I wouldn't call it reasonable.
Clearly not. Desiderius thinks this is part of the fall or at least vast degeneration of the Western civilization as a hole.
I sympathize somewhat with being tired of the general shift in fantasy stereotypes and art. That also goes for the weird puritanical standards where women with traditional feminine visuals or a big cleavage are somehow decried as oversexualization but a bisexual half-orc who gets cucked by an elf in an open relationship is "very mature and tasteful, we asure you." It's hilarious to consider the fact that the same people from the same generation who accused the chainmail bikini of being hypersexual also brought us Mass Effect's pornverse, lol.
So I would join right in on any general complaints leveled against modern art styles and creative directions, not because I miss chainmail bikinis per se, but because the art, styles and worldbuilding employed back then were so much more evocative. Going back to the aforementioned Box Sets in Forgotten Realms, whoever wrote those cared about shit like "how do laws function in a land where Gods are manifest as rulers, how would a mystical matriarchy (oh shit son SJWs in 1980 boiiii) like Rashemen's mete out punishment, how insane and interesting can we make their legends if we base them on completely out-there Russian and Mongol mythology," etc. More importantly, these people clearly had a general interest in stuff like history and anthropology which gave their own inventions a solid basis. Don't get me wrong, it's still trashy high fantasy, but it makes the most of the concept. Then as the stark contrast we got Golarian. Pathfinder's art tells you everything about the creative direction of modern fantasy. It's lifted straight from cartoon network. I think I hate it almost as much as WoW.
But the fixation on women in Pathfinder is clearly not just about that - the clear deline of Western fantasy. If it was, the people who fixate on these things would trash all the indicators of this vast decline in equal measure. And it's not like they don't stand by their identity politics in the discussion we just had.
So yeah, I think we agree on much, Shadey-boy, but you're reducing the position of the "women in plate, my God"-crowd without basing it on what they're actually saying.
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Yes, the fantasy genre and its art lost the evocative feeling due to constant chain of plagiarism of itself etc. As for Art, there is little fact I find amusing, is that artists (traditional) are/were taught to love the human form, and since painting naked form and also, landscapes (from life) is one of the biggest challenges, they do it; however the kicker comes not from hot gal but from the fact that you painted it JUST RIGHT, with how you imagined it and with correct color, light, etc. Doesn't mean artist can't just draw porn for the sake of it, but what I mean, a lot of what we see is brought to us by people who operate on completely different brainwaves. Subverse, btw, might be part of a constant contrarian nature of artists.
He played so much Pathfinder that he simply became somewhat pathfinder, ie accumulated some of its absurdism.
Even Gay-- Games Workshop which are known for spehhsmarines were formed by 3 history nerds who just copied HRE Europe into fantasy.
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I strongly agree regarding the pretentiousness btw. What I find most offensive about the modern creative direction is the fact that they tossed out the older stuff on the basis that it was "juvenile" (which, you know, chainmail bikinis, hard to argue), yet everything these people produce is childish to the extreme. It's shitty high fantasy, of course it's juvenile. The presumption that it stops being that if you take it seriously just makes you commit atrocities of writing as you attempt to wrangle these adolescent concepts into some kind of meaninful metaphor about humanity. It's like a McDonald's fry cook deciding that his job is to reinvent the burger and make it a staple of high-end culinary cooking. No it's not, retard, your job is to make a fucking Big Mac like they've always been made because something about that basic trashy food concept just works. Don't turn it into something it's not.
I guess I understand the urge - when it works, we get Chris Avellone. But Chris Avellone, these people certainly are not
I guess I understand the urge - when it works, we get Chris Avellone. But Chris Avellone, these people certainly are not
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Exactly, and not to mention, why the damn cherry-picking? If we are going to do this why not go all out. Where are all the posts where people bash the kitsune being introduced in WotR? Isn't that degeneration of the Western civilization? You got damn furries shoved in for christ's sake. But no, let's go for the regular ass woman with plate armor. I'm sorry but this so obvious sexual frustration being projected and therefore Mr. Shade, the only real solution is indeed, to just get laid.
In the WoTR thread, naturally, and in news threads. When Codex voted for Rat people from Warhammer instead but was not enough to win.
Chris is a van Gogh of RPG writing. if he didnt drink himself to point of stumbling into wrong places and wasted time on visiting worthless conventions (about as pointless as watching dumb ongoings until 3AM imo) which now bite him in the ass years later, but just sat down and wrote he'd be da Vinci or Shishkin instead, producing many more masterpieces.
believe not greedy men who killed girls on dinosaurs and in return give you nothing or boring and trite.
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Sykar
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Sykar
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Hey I love Chrono Trigger, it's my guilty pleasure.
Sykar
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We have people who look like this:
And you are telling me that she does not look like a "real person"? Can you define "real person"?
Hey I love Chrono Trigger, it's my guilty pleasure.
Exactly my point. It is a very cliche shounen adventure with the typical tropes which Toriyama has used since the original Dragonball which went to complete and utter shite, partly because of the batshit retarded audience but also because Toriyama is an uncreative hack who cannot come up with something better than power levels.
no plate but i meeeaaaan
She doesn't look as if she was painted to look believable or a real person to me. Look at the skin, her face looks like its plastered with makeup.
thank you, a maiden of culture.
now who's the prude
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No.
I wrote that in the forest with my sons.
Pelosi’s (illegitimate, parasitic, necrotic) power is no more merely American than Galfrey’s Neroysan. The point is to point to a human phenomenon that is ascendant enough to catch the attention of the writers and the point of the SJW in contrast being peripheral and mercenary is the one I just made.
Greek? The quote regards a universal (or transversal as is the fashion) phenomenon and was probably misattributed in any case.
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People are, which is how you end up with amateur truth tellers over professional liars and so have to take some boring cliches over (no longer so intriguing) surreality.
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It was just a message of seething anger because I love my froggy boy, not a proof of originality
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