Game News Pathfinder: Kingmaker now on Kickstarter

[Morality Games]

So dudes with a good track record are making BG-like with Avellone on board and codex is... butthurt?

There's no solution for that. To the extent the Codex isn't nostalgic, it is picky. And to the extent it isn't picky, it is nostalgic.

 

[sstacks]

They may need the money for expanded gameplay, but note that the game will be made either way. A lot of this is for PR, which bugs me when KS is used that way... it crowds out projects that can't get made without KS.

D:OS 2 and Banner Saga 3 used Kickstarter for PR reasons too. Since Kickstarter allows it, I do not see a reason why people would not use the platform this way.

It's not whether it's "allowed" or not, I'm saying that it crowds out / takes limited KS dollars from projects that vitally need it. Companies are going to do it and I understand why, I just don't love it.

 

[sstacks]

So dudes with a good track record are making BG-like with Avellone on board and codex is... butthurt?

It's the Codex. If there is no butthurt over puzzling and / or tangential reasons, it's not the Codex

 

[sstacks]

*rewrites headline as "To the shock of no one, Pathmaker Kingfinder is on Kickstarter"

They may need the money for expanded gameplay, but note that the game will be made either way. A lot of this is for PR, which bugs me when KS is used that way... it crowds out projects that can't get made without KS.

I wonder if you said that during D:OS2 KS or Shadowrun:HK KS or Battletech KS...

I did not, but I wasn't really thinking about it then. I hear more and more conversations of KS as PR these days so it's more on my mind.

 

[Morality Games]

They may need the money for expanded gameplay, but note that the game will be made either way. A lot of this is for PR, which bugs me when KS is used that way... it crowds out projects that can't get made without KS.

D:OS 2 and Banner Saga 3 used Kickstarter for PR reasons too. Since Kickstarter allows it, I do not see a reason why people would not use the platform this way.

It's not whether it's "allowed" or not, I'm saying that it crowds out / takes limited KS dollars from projects that vitally need it. Companies are going to do it and I understand why, I just don't love it.

I understand the sensibility, but I'm afraid that is mostly a myth. Nobody would have taken notice of 70% of projects if they wasn't an t AA "roar of the coliseum" there to increase the pool of potential crowdfunders.

 

[sstacks]

They may need the money for expanded gameplay, but note that the game will be made either way. A lot of this is for PR, which bugs me when KS is used that way... it crowds out projects that can't get made without KS.

D:OS 2 and Banner Saga 3 used Kickstarter for PR reasons too. Since Kickstarter allows it, I do not see a reason why people would not use the platform this way.

It's not whether it's "allowed" or not, I'm saying that it crowds out / takes limited KS dollars from projects that vitally need it. Companies are going to do it and I understand why, I just don't love it.

I understand the sensibility, but I'm afraid that is mostly a myth. Nobody would have taken notice of 70% of projects if they wasn't an t AA "roar of the coliseum" there to increase the pool of potential crowdfunders.

It's not a myth by any means. I have talked personally with several companies of various sizes that either use KS purely for PR when they could fund a project themselves or they plan to do so.

 

[Bruma Hobo]

So dudes with a good track record are making BG-like with Avellone on board and codex is... butthurt?

Perhaps the Codex is turning back into its former prestigious and more naive self, and will finally start the reconquista against BGtards and RTwP invaders. If the US got enough balls to vote for Trump, the Codex can do this.

 

[ArchAngel]

They may need the money for expanded gameplay, but note that the game will be made either way. A lot of this is for PR, which bugs me when KS is used that way... it crowds out projects that can't get made without KS.

D:OS 2 and Banner Saga 3 used Kickstarter for PR reasons too. Since Kickstarter allows it, I do not see a reason why people would not use the platform this way.

It's not whether it's "allowed" or not, I'm saying that it crowds out / takes limited KS dollars from projects that vitally need it. Companies are going to do it and I understand why, I just don't love it.

I understand the sensibility, but I'm afraid that is mostly a myth. Nobody would have taken notice of 70% of projects if they wasn't an t AA "roar of the coliseum" there to increase the pool of potential crowdfunders.

It's not a myth by any means. I have talked personally with several companies of various sizes that either use KS purely for PR when they could fund a project themselves or they plan to do so.

You misunderstood what Morality Games was talking about. He mean it is a myth that companies that only use KS for PR take away $ from smaller projects. They do take some but also promote KS to new people that:
#1 Can find other games to fund
#2 Now have an KS account and experience how it works so they have not been forced to learn this through a smaller game from a unknown studio (which for many is reason enough to not bother)

 

[LeStryfe79]

Ah shit! For only $140, you can get a poster by the legendary Wayne Reynolds!

 

[MicoSelva]

It's not a myth by any means. I have talked personally with several companies of various sizes that either use KS purely for PR when they could fund a project themselves or they plan to do so.

You misunderstood what Morality Games was talking about. He mean it is a myth that companies that only use KS for PR take away $ from smaller projects. They do take some but also promote KS to new people that:
#1 Can find other games to fund
#2 Now have an KS account and experience how it works so they have not been forced to learn this through a smaller game from a unknown studio (which for many is reason enough to not bother)

Yeah, I agree. KS money is not a fixed pool, and people backing one project does not mean less $$ for another project.
I first went to Kickstarter to back projects I was interested in, but knew about them from somewhere else. That allowed me to discover more stuff on the platform itself, of which I would never hear otherwise.

 

[Wonderdog]

It is probably a fixed pool for THAT MONTH. But seriously, how long does it take people to regenerate money (or not even money just willingness to waste a little).

 

[Western]

Btw, do we have any kickstarted adventure or rpg so far that didn't end up as a either a massive disappointment or vaporware?

Apparently Thimbleweed Park is alright, I also liked Serpent In The Staglands, but opinion's divided on that one. Dragonfall may technically count since it was partly funded from the Shadowrun Returns crowd funding.

 

[himmy]

Btw, do we have any kickstarted adventure or rpg so far that didn't end up as a either a massive disappointment or vaporware?

Apparently Thimbleweed Park is alright, I also liked Serpent In The Staglands, but opinion's divided on that one. Dragonfall may technically count since it was partly funded from the Shadowrun Returns crowd funding.

Wasteland 2 is also good, but the Codex will never agree with that since they'll always take a polished snooze-fest like PoE over a fun, but flawed game like W2.

 

[Sentinel]

Calling PoE a snoozefest while applauding Wasteland 2

 

[sstacks]

They may need the money for expanded gameplay, but note that the game will be made either way. A lot of this is for PR, which bugs me when KS is used that way... it crowds out projects that can't get made without KS.

D:OS 2 and Banner Saga 3 used Kickstarter for PR reasons too. Since Kickstarter allows it, I do not see a reason why people would not use the platform this way.

It's not whether it's "allowed" or not, I'm saying that it crowds out / takes limited KS dollars from projects that vitally need it. Companies are going to do it and I understand why, I just don't love it.

I understand the sensibility, but I'm afraid that is mostly a myth. Nobody would have taken notice of 70% of projects if they wasn't an t AA "roar of the coliseum" there to increase the pool of potential crowdfunders.

It's not a myth by any means. I have talked personally with several companies of various sizes that either use KS purely for PR when they could fund a project themselves or they plan to do so.

You misunderstood what Morality Games was talking about. He mean it is a myth that companies that only use KS for PR take away $ from smaller projects. They do take some but also promote KS to new people that:
#1 Can find other games to fund
#2 Now have an KS account and experience how it works so they have not been forced to learn this through a smaller game from a unknown studio (which for many is reason enough to not bother)

I don't know about other folks, but I have a budget and have to be selective on what $ I can spend on games.

If there are 3 interesting games on Kickstarter, I might be in a position where I could pledge to one (hypothetically).

If 2 of those games could in actuality be made without Kicksterter but they are on there mainly for PR, and the third is a genuinely Indy project that can't happen otherwise...

Again, there's no rule that says how KS has to be used. I just like it when it's used in a way to bring something to market that otherwise wouldn't.

 

[Zanzoken]

I don't like being a hater but the world really does not need any more RTwP D&D-based tripe.

Just go play BGs, NWNs, PoE etc if you want that.

 

[Gerulas]

As someone already noted - didn't took IRON WILL when I had the chance.

So count me in.



Always count me in.


P.S. Thank you.

 

[Sentinel]

yeah it clearly needs more turn-based games instead

 

[sstacks]

I don't like being a hater but the world really does not need any more RTwP D&D-based tripe.

Just go play BGs, NWNs, PoE etc if you want that.

Agreed... Would LOVE a turn based D&D game. Pathfinder is a D&D fork so I am disappointed this game is RTwP.

 

[mondblut]

Calling PoE a snoozefest while applauding Wasteland 2

Wasteland 2 had a proper party and was turn-based. That alone puts it miles above all pathetic Infinity Engine wannabes combined.

 

[ArchAngel]

I don't like being a hater but the world really does not need any more RTwP D&D-based tripe.

Just go play BGs, NWNs, PoE etc if you want that.

Agreed... Would LOVE a turn based D&D game. Pathfinder is a D&D fork so I am disappointed this game is RTwP.

Don't worry then, Demons Age is coming out soon.

 

[ArchAngel]

Calling PoE a snoozefest while applauding Wasteland 2

Wasteland 2 had a proper party and was turn-based. That alone puts it miles above all pathetic Infinity Engine wannabes combined.

Also it had a boring slow combat full of bad maps and uninspired enemies. RTwP combat that would make the whole torture go faster could have only been an improvement.

 

[Wonderdog]

I don't like being a hater but the world really does not need any more RTwP D&D-based tripe.

Just go play BGs, NWNs, PoE etc if you want that.

But this will be more :inclusive: and gay-friendly!!!

 

[l3loodAngel]

They may need the money for expanded gameplay, but note that the game will be made either way. A lot of this is for PR, which bugs me when KS is used that way... it crowds out projects that can't get made without KS.

D:OS 2 and Banner Saga 3 used Kickstarter for PR reasons too. Since Kickstarter allows it, I do not see a reason why people would not use the platform this way.

It's not whether it's "allowed" or not, I'm saying that it crowds out / takes limited KS dollars from projects that vitally need it. Companies are going to do it and I understand why, I just don't love it.

I understand the sensibility, but I'm afraid that is mostly a myth. Nobody would have taken notice of 70% of projects if they wasn't an t AA "roar of the coliseum" there to increase the pool of potential crowdfunders.

It's not a myth by any means. I have talked personally with several companies of various sizes that either use KS purely for PR when they could fund a project themselves or they plan to do so.

You misunderstood what Morality Games was talking about. He mean it is a myth that companies that only use KS for PR take away $ from smaller projects. They do take some but also promote KS to new people that:
#1 Can find other games to fund
#2 Now have an KS account and experience how it works so they have not been forced to learn this through a smaller game from a unknown studio (which for many is reason enough to not bother)

Most of the smaller projects are complete garbage. They lack the basic quality, are one dimensional and never grow into something big, because I believe the people involved lack management and other vital skills. Supporting them is them literally throwing money away, which is a good substitute for charity.

 

[Grauken]

Yeah, because all the big projects so far have been utter successes due to their professional project, time and resource management, not to speak of being the only ones to truly deliver modern classics, yes, we have been truly blessed