KickStarter Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[AwesomeButton]

GOG galaxy is garbage and was a waste of developer time. If they ever switch away from direct downloads on their site they'd lose a huge chunk of their customers.

There was comparatively little time lost with the framework they used, but that's why the result is so bad.

Regarding losing customers over switching to client-only -- how many years has it been since GOG is not about "good" or "old" games any more?

 

[pm_675]

So, did the hotfix to the hotfix for the hotfix needs a hotfix or no?

 

[Ibbz]

It's also a really long game. A lot longer than I thought it would be.

I'm at roughly 30 hours and I'm only at end of chapter 2. Definately getting my money's worth from it.

Also I think the developers are getting a bad rap - I think someone mentioned early on they knew there were many issues but they were basically forced to release it by the publisher ( Must be something in Russia that end of Sept is the best release date due to Insomia's release as well). Granted if they made a smaller scope, there's be less issues / better launch, but I'd rather a longer game with more content / features and only have to wait for a month or two for alot of the issues to be resolved, than just not have the content in the first place.

 

[Hamster]

It's also a really long game. A lot longer than I thought it would be.

Also I think the developers are getting a bad rap - I think someone mentioned early on they knew there were many issues but they were basically forced to release it by the publisher ( Must be something in Russia that end of Sept is the best release date due to Insomia's release as well). Granted if they made a smaller scope, there's be less issues / better launch, but I'd rather a longer game with more content / features and

The publisher is german though.

 

[Dodo1610]

It's also a really long game. A lot longer than I thought it would be.

Also I think the developers are getting a bad rap - I think someone mentioned early on they knew there were many issues but they were basically forced to release it by the publisher ( Must be something in Russia that end of Sept is the best release date due to Insomia's release as well). Granted if they made a smaller scope, there's be less issues / better launch, but I'd rather a longer game with more content / features and

The publisher is german though.

Deep Silver had no problems with releasing crap like Ride to Hell Retribution or Sacred 3, so their standards are really low.

 

[Ibbz]

Yeah may not be Russian specific, reading between the lines of the Insomnia's developers post about the release date suggested someone was giving them info that the best time to release was now. (Maybe Steam?)

 

[Serus]

The run is dead. Look at this shit: I select Great Cleave on Level up...

... but my character has no such Feat afterwards. It has 2 Cleave abilities instead of Cleave, Cleaving Finish and Great Cleave.

Maybe it's just a visual bug but I cannot play like this. It's driving me crazy.

On the other hand restarting the game made me realize that the difference between a mediocre build and a specialized build is significant. I'm playing on Challenging difficulty mode and I've done the first chapter in a couple of hours (much faster than before). I only had issues with the big centipede from the Old Sycamore mine and the wererats but I'm pretty sure they were put there for lolz.

Anyway, I will have to stop playing until a real patch is released because otherwise I will lose my will to play the game. The situation is pretty retarded: we have two definitely great games in Pathfinder: Kingmaker and Insomnia: The Ark and both of them are unplayable because of bugs.

Only skills that need activation should show and be selectable. Cleave feat gives an active skill but Cleave Finishing does not. It's automatic and always triggers when the conditions are met so it shouldn't be there. All is (probably) working as intended.

 

[Hamster]

Yeah may not be Russian specific, reading between the lines of the Insomnia's developers post about the release date suggested someone was giving them info that the best time to release was now. (Maybe Steam?)

Insomnia case is much more simple - they most likely ran out of money and had no choice.

 

[ArchAngel]

I finally finished Act 1 yesterday on challenging.

Spoiler

In the end the battle vs poisoned Stag Lord, where I first killed all his guards outside, was pretty easy

In the end the most challenging battle was not Wererats but a random encounter vs 2 Spider Queens. I never seen anything chew through Valerie and Amiri that fast LOL.

Funniest bug I ran into was in Wererat cave, Amiri got hit by alchemist fire and started burning and taking damage every round. But she was not really taking damage, I would get animation and sounds like she did and even combat log would write a number but her health remained the same. I had to exit the cave and reenter to stop it.

Web spell is irritating, it needs to disappear when combat stops. Combat log for it is funny, it is written in such a way that web gets a name of its caster. So log was full of XYZ grapples Octavia. First time I noticed it I will admit I paused the game and in panic looked at who managed to sneak around to Octavia :D

I loved how they made Initiative matter in this game. Everyone is flatfooted in first round of combat and those with higher initiative can use that to get sneak attacks and easier hits. Attacking from stealth even gives you a free sneak attack and then you can get more by attacking flat footed enemies. Makes it so taking Improved Initiative is as useful in this game as it is in PnP.

Game has many UI issues.
#1 on my list is inability to know which of the enemies failed or succeeded their saves if they have same names. Even the text that shows up over their heads is often confusing.
#2 Nowhere in class descriptions it is said which stat is used for spellcasting, this makes it hard to plan multiclassing into casters. Then the level up screen for feats should show you feats you already have. You can only see this on a different screen during level up and need to be switching screens all the time. At best you can scroll down and see what feats are missing on the list if you have a hunch which feats characters already got.

Now time to become a ruler. My Neutral Druid is going to keep trying to stay neutral from the whole affair. I already made a neutral choice by picking that kid advisor that does not belong to Alderi or the Brevoy noble lady. Hopefully the game lets you play both sides or maybe even join the fey and fuck over civilization

 

[Ibbz]

Insomnia case is much more simple - they most likely ran out of money and had no choice.

It doesn't really sound like it when this is what he posted in response to why September at the same time as several other RPGs -

Seems like otherwise we would have to release the game in February 2019 otherwise.

(Granted maybe they didn't have the money to Last until February, but why even say Feb 2019 as the only other choice)

 

[Mortmal]

the rational thing would be wait the patch, since i can t play my ranger ( stuck with double amiras in her quest ).

Have you tried the fix someone posted? I.e. go to Olegs. Leave without any companion and F5-F9.

The double amira bug is the tip of the iceberg there's lot worse later, in chapter 4 during the main quest she's completely broken , impossible to select and unavailable as advisor. And that is just amiri...

 

[Luckmann]

So do GOG often hold back the manual backup patches? Because that's how I installed the game and there's no 1.5. I get the impression they want me to install Galaxy.

Yeah, GOG isn't fast with the patches, and the manual patches are always later than the Galaxy patches, (((for some reason))).

That said, it's infinitely better now than it was just a year or maybe two ago. It wasn't uncommon that GOG was over a day or two late with the patches, and sometimes when it was a weekend or hotfixes were fucked up (creating a backlog) it took even longer.

I feel it's a matter of time before they remove downloadable installers and it will all be done through their DRM platform.

Fixed that for you.

 

[fantadomat]

Forgot to ask this earlier... drinking potions is a free action in Pathfinder?

If you go to your inventory,you could chug 20 potions in one action and thus heal yourself to max hp in a second. It is very useful during the duels,that way i managed to beat that barbarian in the duel with the stupid bitch.

 

[fantadomat]

THE PATCH won't be out until after Oct 22?

Well it seems that i will finish Bard's tale 4 and insomnia before playing kingmaker again....might even finish "Labyrinth of Refrain Coven of Dusk".

 

[Mortmal]

THE PATCH won't be out until after Oct 22?

Well it seems that i will finish Bard's tale 4 and insomnia before playing kingmaker again....might even finish "Labyrinth of Refrain Coven of Dusk".

There's an hotfix right now, ill tell you soon if its still completely fucked.

 

[Serus]

THE PATCH won't be out until after Oct 22?

Well it seems that i will finish Bard's tale 4 and insomnia before playing kingmaker again....might even finish "Labyrinth of Refrain Coven of Dusk".

And then you will go back to P:K and realize the game requires at least 3 more "big patches". And that's assuming october 22 will be the date and it won't get postponed.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Forgot to ask this earlier... drinking potions is a free action in Pathfinder?

If you go to your inventory,you could chug 20 potions in one action and thus heal yourself to max hp in a second. It is very useful during the duels,that way i managed to beat that barbarian in the duel with the stupid bitch.

This only works in duels because it's bugged. You aren't supposed to be able to do this.

 

[AwesomeButton]

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I feel it's a matter of time before they remove downloadable installers and it will all be done through their DRM platform.

Fixed that for you.

Speaking of DRM - people complain about DRM eating up their resources while they play a game. What about a a client like Galaxy which eats around 400 mb of ram in turn for counting your hours played and listing your unlocked achievements.
At least Galaxy is optional. For now.

 

[Grunker]

Something that hasn't been discussed much so far: how is the itemization so far? Is it mostly strict, non-complicated upgrades or do you agonize over which items to equip and perhaps ever cycle through them?

 

[Serus]

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I feel it's a matter of time before they remove downloadable installers and it will all be done through their DRM platform.

Fixed that for you.

Speaking of DRM - people complain about DRM eating up their resources while they play a game. What about a a client like Galaxy which eats around 400 mb of ram in turn for counting your hours played and listing your unlocked achievements.
At least Galaxy is optional. For now.

That's why no one with half working brain uses Galaxy?

 

[Chippy]

Zero Credibility Don't know about Linux, sorry.
Luckmann AwesomeButton I installed Galaxy once, then unistalled after a week of almost daily updates of 80-100mb patches. Not fun for us low bandwidth types.

@Anyone else: Is the INT modifier for skill points working as intended? I'm getting 5 skill points/level with a Ranger of 16 INT? I get 6 points at level 1, then it drops to 5. Surely that's wrong?.
It says 6 https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/PFSRD:Ranger on the reference.

 

[hexer]

This only works in duels because it's bugged. You aren't supposed to be able to do this.

How do you win a duel then?!
Amiri's duel is sick

 

[fantadomat]

So I ask you: What's a few bugs in the face of such an awesome piece of gaming?

From what I read so far the game is so buggy that BT4 looks like the shining paragon for well-optimized and playtested games.
I won't play the game till at least a dozen patches are out despite me thinking that it looks and sounds awesome as an rpg.

No amount of patches can fix BT4.

The game is buggy mess,starting from chapter 4 it is unplayable! It is a lot buggier than BT4. I just "finished" the tristan quest,in the final battle the guardain of the bloom and some dude spawned and died to stone golems. I decided to try and save them,thinking that they are allies or something plot related,turned out that they are bug spawns that shouldn't be there and you can't interact with them. Also i can't level up casters because you don't have a spell list to chose from,thus not being able to finish the levelling. Soooo....yeah the game is mess at best,garbage if we have to be realistic. It will be great game once it is filled with DLCs and patches. Now it is not worth buying!

People that buy such unfinished games are the reason why we get such alphas!

Was about to take you seriously until I remembered your previous shady post.
Be a man; support the Russians. I don't think they're on the same playing field as WB was when they released that buggy unplayable Batman game.

The game is very buggy,nobody in their right mind and without being a shill will disagree with that fact! I won't give money for a game that i can't even finish,fuck that goy way of thinking!

 

[Luckmann]

archers are hilariously broken, I have no idea if it's a inherent flaw of pathfinder's PnP system or what

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I have no practical experience with PnP PF in itself (sadly), just a lot of exposure and theoretics, but given that it's based on 3.5, I'd say it's actually the opposite. Sure, PF tried to deal with it in a variety of ways, and I'm sure all the feats are pretty much straight from the tabletop, but generally speaking, melee is superior to ranged. Of course, a lot of things that affect ranged effectiveness aren't factors in PF:K. For example, it's hilariously easy to score ranged sneak attacks in PF:K, whereas in PF/3.5, getting consistent ranged sneak attacks is something entire builds are based on. The game also largely favors nuking/focusing and pure damage-dealing, whereas positioning and the exposed nature of the ranged combatants are more of an issue on a tabletop.

It all just sorta adds up to making ranged vastly better than melee, 9 times out of 10, I guess. However, just so we're clear, let's not pretend Baldur's Gate/2 was any better on that point. I think it's just one of those things that are concept-based rather than pure numbers, and when it comes down to it, in order to stay competitive numbers-wise (which they have to in order to function as a viable choice), they end up being generally stronger because killing someone at range is simply inherently better than killing someone as they are stabbing you in the face. I know which I'd choose.

 

[AwesomeButton]

That's why no one with half working brain uses Galaxy?

There are probably many even in this thread who do.