KickStarter Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Jasede]

Min-maxing scumlord! He's missing 4 AC from Shield because it's not up an he's not wearing any armor.
He's not taking 'Vivisectionist' levels because it'd be out of character. But I might give him Fighter 4 or some Barbarian dips.
Didn't know you could Magic Vestment robes; thought it had to be armor. He doesn't need it anyway because it wouldn't stack with +5 Armor bracers. (Or at least it /shouldn't/ stack with them.)

 

[vazha]

Min-maxing scumlord! He's missing 4 AC from Shield because it's not up an he's not wearing any armor.
He's not taking 'Vivisectionist' levels because it'd be out of character. But I might give him Fighter 4 or some Barbarian dips.
Didn't know you could Magic Vestment robes; thought it had to be armor.

Actually vivisectionist might be the one class (other than rogue) that wont be out of character with Nokie, considering how he fashioned an idol of lamashtu out of a rat, much to Tristian's horror :D
Fighter lvls are good too, not sure about barbarian though. What would you gain? Rage on a dex build?
p.s. magic vestment stacks with bracers / robes.

 

[Jasede]

Oh, just for roleplaying, really. The game is easy enough as it is for now. (Challening, with Normal monsters. May be time to turn it up.)
I'll think about it. Just the idea of picking "Alchemist" seems kind of weird. I guess if I thought of it as drugs it might work. Actually, DMs like if you creatively reinterpret things like that!

Also I picked Empowered Spells for metamagic hoping to apply it to Bull's Strength, but I guess it's not like in NWN where that would work. This basically makes the animal spells pointless because, in true Monty Haul fashion, +2/+4 stat gear is fairly easy to find or buy.

 

[vazha]

Nokie the self-taught vivisectionist! Imagine all the crazy stuffed animals he'd present to Linzi! Goblin art!
Also, challenging? Up it, weakling.

 

[Jasede]

Yooo, I won't take that! The game is plenty difficult with all the +30 AB monsters you see running around unless you're an old hare like us that spam AC increases and abuse corridors. But you're right, it's about time to set it to Hard since now, after buffing, I can right-click the owlbears (raging, greater) and venom shit with ease. (Womb of Lamashtu)

Of course a bad crit can still bury you but that's D&D for you.

 

[Damned Registrations]

So trying to get into this again, as I really want to like it in spite of the bugs and awful balance and laggy load times etc. But I've got a question: do the xp rewards start making sense later on? Because right now a couple elk are worth the same xp as something like a level 6 warrior with 20 dex and it's driving me insane having to spend this much attention on shit that gives basically no reward for killing it.

 

[Jasede]

XP rewards are IMO well distributed with combat giving enough to be rewarding but not enough to grind via random encounters. The issue might be random high DC traps/persuade rolls that give you thousands of XP out of nowhere, but I am fine with that.

 

[thesheeep]

Is there any reason to keep XP sharing enabled? I mean, once you got your main party down, do you have to switch some characters from time to time, which would then be underleveled?

 

[Reinhardt]

YAY! It's time for my favorite combat in this game again.

 

[Tacgnol]

YAY! It's time for my favorite combat in this game again.

I didn't think that one was supposed to be winnable without much fuckery.

Isn't the result the same, even if Valarie wins?

 

[Shadenuat]

Is there any reason to keep XP sharing enabled? I mean, once you got your main party down, do you have to switch some characters from time to time, which would then be underleveled?

Yes

Especially later game and possibly endgame

Best way to treat characters like it's a JRPG i.e. always keep everyone at 110% combat readyness

 

[Damned Registrations]

XP rewards are IMO well distributed with combat giving enough to be rewarding

I feel like an elk with 17 ac and 8 hp having half the xp reward as a goblin with 25 ac/hp and that breathes fire every turn without provoking attacks is not 'well distributed.'

 

[Andnjord]

Is there any reason to keep XP sharing enabled? I mean, once you got your main party down, do you have to switch some characters from time to time, which would then be underleveled?

Are you using 6 characters in your party? Then there is no reason not to have shared XP always enabled. Shared XP divides all earned XP by 6 and gives that amount to every one, including NPCs that aren't currently in your party. Without Shared, Xp earned is divided by the number of party members and only given to them. So if you have 6 party members all end up doing is depriving the others of XP for no gain.

 

[Shadenuat]

I also have a SSD and yes I'm now at 20s + loading times, 20s load the table, 20 sec enter the town on the table map, 20s leave town, 20s leave table, 20s leave throne room, 20s leave capital

wtf

try keeping #saves to a minimum, and turn off autosaves too.

 

[Reinhardt]

YAY! It's time for my favorite combat in this game again.

I didn't think that one was supposed to be winnable without much fuckery.

Isn't the result the same, even if Valarie wins?

It's not hard, it's LONG. Duels are very hard to lose because you can just spam healing pots from inventory screen anyway.

 

[thesheeep]

Is there any reason to keep XP sharing enabled? I mean, once you got your main party down, do you have to switch some characters from time to time, which would then be underleveled?

Are you using 6 characters in your party? Then there is no reason not to have shared XP always enabled. Shared XP divides all earned XP by 6 and gives that amount to every one, including NPCs that aren't currently in your party. Without Shared, Xp earned is divided by the number of party members and only given to them. So if you have 6 party members all end up doing is depriving the others of XP for no gain.

Ah, okay, I feared it would be divided by more than 6. Well, everything is fine then.

 

[Cyberarmy]

It's not hard, it's LONG. Duels are very hard to lose because you can just spam healing pots from inventory screen anyway.

Just spam some long lasting aoe spells where the duel gonna happen. Web is excellent for that with entagle.
And use power attack...

 

[Thonius]

Won it with wand of truestrike.

 

[fantadomat]

YAY! It's time for my favorite combat in this game again.

I didn't think that one was supposed to be winnable without much fuckery.

Isn't the result the same, even if Valarie wins?

It's not hard, it's LONG. Duels are very hard to lose because you can just spam healing pots from inventory screen anyway.

Yeah,it is long and annoying. The best strategy is to lower the difficulty. If she wins the get scared and you can choose the fate of the dude. Make them fight to death or let him go.

 

[Jasede]

You can also buff her before the duel, which is probably a little unfair.
But then again, that guy is using healing and also self-buffs against someone who doesn't have magical abilities - pretty scummy if you ask me.

 

[Fenix]

I am sorry for double-post.

I want you to know I work as a programmer. We're carrying with us technological debt from 20+ years ago. Things are simply /too big/ now to change. It's never going to change. It will always remain this slow until we get quantum computers. Then things will be fast - briefly. But after that, they will be slow again. Why?

Because all this shit now is coded so as to minimize costs (developer time) -- that means all this shit is easy to use, but slow when used, in hopes that it doesn't matter because hardware is 'good enough'. We designed BILLIONS of horrible abstraction layers to make things easier for young developers but now all these things are gigantic, quaking towers that will one day crash and we'll have to completely rethink the way we design software. Right now, saving time / cost = king. Everything is done so as to make it so code can be pushed out fast.

Yeah, and it's beneficial for everyone - except end user. Beneficial for coders, for hardware manufacturer, and the consumer who is - as if - a king is in reality a slave and bottom of the piramide.
The tail wagging the dog.

 

[ArchAngel]

You can also buff her before the duel, which is probably a little unfair.
But then again, that guy is using healing and also self-buffs against someone who doesn't have magical abilities - pretty scummy if you ask me.

That is just his paladin abilities. His real difficulty is that he is higher level and they gave him much better items. She can only hit him on natural 20.

 

[Shadenuat]

I heard Wild Hunt has paralyze

Spoiler

 

[VentilatorOfDoom]

I am finally at the point that the invitation to Pitax arrived. Is it save to play on? Or better play another char?

 

[Haba]

Are those guys actually able to work on DLCs while trying to hammer out all those bugs?