Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Sjukob]

Nenio

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>"Why are my boots wet and slimy? They were dry when I left them here a moment ago, and oddly enough, I prefer them that way."
>"I conducted an experiment. Did you know that footwear is completely unusable as a foodstuff, even footwear made from high-quality leather?"

How was that thing even allowed into the game

Behold, Sosiel romance

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>Sosiel's expression is a mix of shyness and resolve. He goes down on one knee in front of you and offers you a wilted crimson flower. "It seems that there is no place for beauty here in the Worldwound, and yet flowers grow even in this desolate country. Even though this flower's beauty is no match for yours... Please, accept it. Who else should have it but you, the true flower of this wasteland, whose presence makes the hardships of military life bearable for all of us?"

>[Lean towards Sosiel and whisper] \"The flower I want you to give me doesn't grow in the ground…"

>"I dream of giving it to you.\" You feel the heat of Sosiel's breath by your ear. "But let's take things slow. Let's give this love growing between us some time to bloom."

>"And you've plucked it already, have you not?" The cleric's smile is tender and playful. "Then again, flowers of love can be plucked forever — it only makes them grow stronger… Let's wait until we're back in the city."

>Sosiel tries to break up and fails
>The priest's face is stern determination mixed with fear. His fists are clenched, but his knees tremble treacherously. He looks you straight in the eyes - and you can see how hard it is for him not to look away.

>"{Name}. I came to tell you: this cannot continue. I love you, but we have to part \ ". {N} The priest gasps as if he is out of breath. "You... are no longer the one I once loved. Not the hero of the crusade, not the hope of mortals. You have turned into a monster. Your hands are elbow-deep in the blood of the innocent. I can’t kiss your lips knowing what blasphemous orders they gave!"

>"[Kiss Sosiel] "You will never, go anywhere from me. You are mine. Forever."

>The priest's whisper sounds like the feverish prayer of a dying man. {/ N} \" Please. I beg you. Please let me go. For all that was. For me. For my own sake."

>"For a moment Sosiel tries to push you away, but as soon as you touch his trembling lips, he responds with a kiss full of desperate passion. Pressing against you, he whispers: {/ n} \" You will ruin me... and I will let it. I love you. I love you, even if the price of this love is my soul. I was already with you in the Abyss. If necessary, I will follow you further. Just hold me like this. Here with you. Do not let go."

>"I brought you here to show you my masterpiece. The picture in which I've put all my soul, all my life, all the gift that the goddess gave me \ "{n} He solemnly brings you to the triptych, on the central canvas you can see ... Yourself.

>"On the canvases framing your portrait, Sosiel painted green trees and lush vineyards of his native Andoran. You look at the picture as if in a mirror, seeing there not a commander, not a conqueror of demons, not a hero or a villain, but yourself - a mortal who went through impossible hardships, while retaining his soul and finding love. Sosiel placed himself next to your portrait. You have never seen him paint self-portraits until now."

>"On the next canvas, Sosiel depicted an army ready for battle - and made it so that it is impossible to understand whether you are going to lead it, or fight it alone. You look at the whole triptych as in the mirror, seeing myself in every stroke. The artist portrayed you more than a commander, more than a hero or a villain - a proud, terrible, all-conquering power, a living embodiment of this strange war.

Corrupted version

>He drew himself on his knees, and it's hard to say what is more in his face and posture - awe, adoration, horror, or pain. There is no need to doubt one thing: let the priest still pray to his goddess, his soul, as well as body and mind, entirely belong to you."

>"The only monster that is allowed to own me is you."

>[Kiss Sosiel] "My Sosiel . Only mine, forever..."

>"Only yours ... Forever \ " The priest obediently responds to your kiss, leaning towards you with a body trembling with desire.

Wrath seems to be shaping up more and more like D:OS 2. And to call that game a disaster is to put it lightly.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

What's with the button and the three selectable things (presuming it's a puzzle) in the basement of the Defender's Heart, Salvo?

 

[kreight]

Oh shit, you can recruit sperglady Nenio in chapter one now? Nice.

How was that thing even allowed into the game, especially a story of a crusade, i don't even

Writing in PKM was bad at places but it was't Deadfire

The fuck are you on about? Crusade means "burn everything that doesn't look like a normal american"? Even I fucking know crusade in this game is against demons. Is she a demon? No. So stop salivating. Are you fucking reading a novel or playing a video game? Fucking decide. Like reading books - go read Tolstoy's " War and Peace". Some quality writing there.

 

[Robber Baron]

Wrath seems to be shaping up more and more like D:OS 2. And to call that game a disaster is to put it lightly.

It's the subtle moment when you realise you're not the target audience once again

 

[Shadenuat]

Wrath seems to be shaping up more and more like D:OS 2. And to call that game a disaster is to put it lightly.

Ok I am now confused. So I can force a black gay dude to

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draw himself on the knees before gay me

is that sjw or anti sjw or



"i thought it was gonna be fun to baphomet" "going back to mom"
wow so funny writing.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Manlets, when will they learn.

 

[The Jester]

But, frankly, almost all of them are gay.

1. Lich. Oh great, another fucking monstrosity, I suposse it needs some orphan organs or some other shit for it's rituals, yeah? Voluntarily giving up your passions, feelings, love and what else just to turn into mr.veryautisticbunchofbones is honestly ridiculous;

Your projecting is unbearable, mortal.
Muh love
Muh FEELINGS
Muh limited pleasures of mortal life
Who cares about these gay shits when you can live forever as one the most powerful being in realm of existence unchained by mortality and flow of time?
Also those who choose the lich life HAVE a passion, the passion to seek knowledge until the end of time! they were so detected by this goal even willing to sacrifice their humanity.

 

[Xamenos]

I honestly don't understand what you guys are complaining about.

 

[Shadenuat]

Manlets, when will they learn.

Minagho strangely reminds me of an antagonist from Wuxia Tale.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

I honestly don't understand what you guys are complaining about.

They should learn to behave.

By the way, I'm not sure if we are allowed to post screenshots. So if that's the case, Infinitron can delete 'em.

 

[Infinitron]

People are streaming the game, it's not under NDA anymore. They said so in the Kickstarter update.

 

[Desiderius]

Yeah, Bloodrager is definitely an upgrade to Barbarian. I just meant that it tends to play more as a Barbarian who has some sorcerer abilities and can cast some spells, rather than a mage who can enter rages.

What do you give up for Primalist? So far I've played a couple different base Bloodragers and enjoyed them.

Not definite, no. You have to look on case by case basis. Paizo/Owlcat has by and large done a good job making every class and subclass have a niche where it excels. Bloodrager:Barb :: Paladin:Fighter so unless you’re regarding Pal as strictly better than Fighter (it isn’t) you need to test each case yourself to see the pros and cons.

Unless you’re soloing you don’t need each toon to be self-sufficient and a lot of people have come to a lot of grief gimping themselves to try.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

People are streaming the game, it's not under NDA anymore. They said so in the Kickstarter update.

I just had my doubts since I don't see any screenshots being posted ITT by other users that have beta access.

 

[Tacgnol]

So hows the bloodrager archetypes/base in wrath of the righteous?

I'd like to gauge how well a mage whose power is rage plays.

It's better to consider it a self-buffing Barbarian. The class is fun though, in my opinion.

On the tabletop it's considered superior to the Barbarian in almost all respects, as there is an archetype that lets them take either their bloodline power or 2 rage powers each 4 levels.

Wrath also has the Primalist archetype, so will be in a similar situation.

You sacrifice a d12 hitdie (for d10, a very minor nerf) and gain access to a lot of amazing defensive (and offensive) buffing options. If you go primalist archetype, there is very little stopping you playing it as standard barbarian as well if desired.

A lot of the bloodline powers are vastly superior to most of the rage powers anyway, so even without the primalist archetype it's better than base barbarians in most cases.

Yeah, Bloodrager is definitely an upgrade to Barbarian. I just meant that it tends to play more as a Barbarian who has some sorcerer abilities and can cast some spells, rather than a mage who can enter rages.

What do you give up for Primalist? So far I've played a couple different base Bloodragers and enjoyed them.

Not definite, no. You have to look on case by case basis. Paizo/Owlcat has by and large done a good job making every class and subclass have a niche where it excels. Bloodrager:Barbaladin:Fighter so unless you’re regarding Pal as strictly better than Fighter (it isn’t) you need to test each case yourself to see the pros and cons.

Unless you’re soloing you don’t need each toon to be self-sufficient and a lot of people have come to a lot of grief gimping themselves to try.

Nope bloodrager is pretty much is a definitive upgrade over Barbarian.

There is nothing Barbarian can do better, other than have a tiny bit more HP.

Pretty much every Barbarian archetype has a Bloodrager equivalent.

There is a reason why Bloodragers are so frowned upon in PFS play and have several outright banned archetypes.

 

[Desiderius]

But, frankly, almost all of them are gay.

1. Demon. Why would you want to be a part of the bloodthirsty, raging ape horde? You better off just exterminating them, not becoming of them;
2. Devil. I've read that in struggle for power devils in pathfinder get backstabbed and killed by their own kin all the time. If you choose to become one, you are risking getting played by the biggest jew in the universe, the only winning option, even if you only care about yourself, is to stay away. Don't play with the devil;
3. Swarm. Raging retard with hatred for everything. It's not just an agry dude, it's literally "I'm so fucking evil and nobody loves me" x1000. Also Deskari gets to boss you around for awhile or something, I'm not into the details;
4. Lich. Oh great, another fucking monstrosity, I suposse it needs some orphan organs or some other shit for it's rituals, yeah? Voluntarily giving up your passions, feelings, love and what else just to turn into mr.veryautisticbunchofbones is honestly ridiculous;
5. Angel. I don't have anything against it, but Iomedae is a bitch and should avoid becoming her subordinate;
6. Dragon. I expected dragon to be the very definition of testosterone and hedonism. You know, you turn into a powerful being and get all the princesses, all the gold and all the tasty dishes, it's fine, it's a classic. But instead it's all about compassion, love, forgiveness and similar things, even for the bloodthirsty savages mentioned above, and you get to babysit somebody's else child, lol. There's a chance that corrupted dragon path might more up my alley;
7. Don't know anything about legend, there haven't been much info.

So the only mythic paths I'm really looking forward to storywise, are azata and trickster. Why? You get to tell every authority to go screw themselves and that's good, because they are just assholes. You make some new friends on the way that don't try to backstab you or dump their personal resposibilities on you, and I strongly support companionship. Trickster gets to hang out with fey, who are frankly retarded, but as far as I understand it, you don't have to indulge in their bullshit. And lastly, you don't turn into some disgusting abomination. I usually don't like chaotic allignments, but doing your own thing, not becoming a monster, and not responding to overly proud stuck up rulers and gods, while staying in good spirit seems like the best idea to me.

This shit is on the road to Deadfire. Need to get the wimmenfolk under control. Wolj just called me Dreamboat first line. This was just inserted (wasn't in the Alpha).

I spent ten years in fucking theater. I did a show where I was the only straight man in the cast. This is not how it works. At minimum its entirely immersion breaking.

Infinidick can ban me if he wants but somebody needs to get through to these Russian simps before they ruin this whole good thing they had going.

 

[Desiderius]

There is a reason why Bloodragers are so frowned upon in PFS play and have several outright banned archetypes.

This isn't PnP. Outside of Grenadier (which is strictly better due to Delay Poison poor implementation but in ways that don't end up mattering much other than an extra Feat) they managed to correct Paizo oversights in P:K. That work hasn't been done yet in Wrath. If they don't get that fixed by release it will be a major oversight.

 

[Desiderius]

People are streaming the game, it's not under NDA anymore. They said so in the Kickstarter update.

I just had my doubts since I don't see any screenshots being posted ITT by other users that have beta access.

We're busy trying to figure out what isn't broken. Fucking Barkskin icon missing. How is that even possible?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

People are streaming the game, it's not under NDA anymore. They said so in the Kickstarter update.

I just had my doubts since I don't see any screenshots being posted ITT by other users that have beta access.

We're busy trying to figure out what isn't broken.

Too few things.

 

[Tacgnol]

There is a reason why Bloodragers are so frowned upon in PFS play and have several outright banned archetypes.

This isn't PnP. Outside of Grenadier (which is strictly better due to Delay Poison poor implementation but in ways that don't end up mattering much other than an extra Feat) they managed to correct Paizo oversights in P:K. That work hasn't been done yet in Wrath. If they don't get that fixed by release it will be a major oversight.

Well an easy start would be to actually add a downside to the Primalist archetype. Like Paizo should have done when they made the damn class.

 

[Shadenuat]

Nope bloodrager is pretty much is a definitive upgrade over Barbarian.

Kinda looks to me like all new stuff is. It's your usual pnp bloat. Especially when it comes to destributing magic, the 6th level magic classes look like on a whole new level compared to anything old where they give you some magic but you have to pay with something. Then there's non-memorise casters vs. spontaneous, if you can fill every type of magic with spontaneous people would probably take that always, unless memorise has some massive advantages somewhere.

A lot of new classes just make me scratch my head. "This guy is war priest" "oh so like paladin" no "so like inquisitor maybe" "no" "so like warpriest subclass for a priest?....." no liKE WARPRIEST
...isn't base cleric with its choices already as much a war priest as priest could go?

Other classes make more sense. For example, Cavalier does look unique from gameplay perspective.

As players, we of course will figure out all this mess, but it looks inefficient to mix new hot classes with old unpopular ones. And it creates so many classes that most likely a lot of abilities you choose won't work due to bugs. Mounts in beta are a sign - certainly it is the most interesting addition, and yet they couldn't make it work for first big show of the game.

 

[razvedchiki]

So the horsie follows you around in dungeons and fights?

 

[Shadenuat]

This shit is on the road to Deadfire. Need to get the wimmenfolk under control. Wolj just called me Dreamboat first line.

Prepare for some massive cuddling by lonely russian housewife fanfic writers!

 

[Desiderius]

Spontaneous is bad with Metamagic (spells go from Standard to Full) and Meta is a big part of what makes nuking viable.

But yeah absolutely no reason to stuff Warpriest, Shaman, and Arcanist into this thing.

 

[Sjukob]

I honestly don't understand what you guys are complaining about.

1. Cringe wow so epic, so random, so funny hue hue hue writing;
2. Premade companion party is a travelling circus band;
3. I don't care much about romances, but why is every female option a derranged psycho?;
4. I understand that it's a fantasy video game and everything goes, but protagonist voluntarily turning into a monster is something similar to a plothole. Why? Why would a person that took command of an army to protect people against a dangerous scourge that threatens all life in the world become something similar to them by his own fucking will?! That is especially strange when options that turn you into embodiment of good are easily available;
5. As you know from Kingmaker a bunch of level 20 murderhobos are outrageously powerful as is, if you load them with 10 additional levels of super awesome mythic stuff it becomes... just wow... holy shit... It might seem cool at first, but I'm afraid it might feel like a needless overkill after a while.

So I'm concerned about writing, narrative and one of the primary feature of the game. The bugs, balancing, oversights can be fixed with patches/mods, but the things mentioned above, not really. And it can ruing the game even if it has decent mechanics, D:OS series is a good example.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

This shit is on the road to Deadfire. Need to get the wimmenfolk under control. Wolj just called me Dreamboat first line.

Prepare for some massive cuddling by lonely russian housewife fanfic writers!

You even have simping lines: