Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[NJClaw]

Good stuff.

Do you think it's appropriate for a mod to encourage and take part in the bullying of a fellow codexer?

Bullying?! People pay actual money to get their names in games like this one.

 

[Ghulgothas]

Good stuff.

Do you think it's appropriate for a mod to encourage and take part in the bullying of a fellow codexer?

"Bullying"
Seems more like free advertisement to me. How many of us can say that a facsimile of our likeness has been put into an honest-to-god video game?

 

[Desiderius]

You still dumped INT. Why are you doing that?

Athletics, Mobility, Stealth, Perception, Persuasion, and Use Magic Device are all things you want. You can have them all (or close to it) for -1/-1 to hit/dam. This makes no sense.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

You still dumped INT. Why are you doing that?

Because I can specialize my party for certain skills. The segments in which you are stuck with only your PC aren't such a commonality as to invalidate skill specialization by character. Do I increase my chances of missing something here and there due to a failed perception check or whatever? Sure, but it's not the end of the world.

Spoiler

Do explain what 'use magic device' would help with it though since I am not sure that I understand its true value.

 

[purpleblob]

For those who didn't see Codex quest NPC:

Care to share where you got that portrait?

Owlcat twitted it a long time ago:

https://mobile.twitter.com/owlcatgames/status/1163525033605685249

 

[Desiderius]

Your risk reward us all off. I already told you why there are skills everyone who can get them benefit from. In addition making your Fighter your Athletics specialist frees up other characters to specialize on skills they need or can better cover, like Lann on WIS skills or Seelah on CHR stuff.

You’ve had drilled into your skull “must min max” but it doesn’t really apply to this game, at least not when it comes to character creation, by design. What does that seven creation pts to get STR from 18 to 20 buy you?

If you want to role play an idiot Lich by all means knock yourself out (to my mind it’s wisdom that is lacking, but see Crispy for the counterexample) but be aware that far from optimizing your performance you’re in fact gimping it. Half the point of Armor Training is to wear Heavy without destroying your skill checks.

 

[Desiderius]

Anti-bullying = anti-vaxxing for social skills. Imagine thinking Lilura is such a fragile, tender flower that she needs the brave Ontopoly to defend her.

 

[Desiderius]

Why are you despairing? Skills mattering for the first time in forever is what makes the game great. You won’t miss that slight difference in STR and you’ll be much more well-rounded (and less likely to miss out on some of the best parts of the game).

Only one skill mattering design was created for idiots. Don’t be an idiot.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

What does that seven creation pts to get STR from 18 to 20 buy you?

More damage?

Although I do admit that the game's mechanical complexity does make it hard for me to think of character creation and leveling up with long term viability in mind.

 

[Desiderius]

What’s hard about it? You know exactly how much it gives you. One stinking point (or 1.5 two handed multiplied on crit etc, never a ton). This isn’t close.

 

[Shadenuat]

Depending on how UMD still works (if game difficulty increases the check, if it's 20+caster level for scrolls etc) it would only be worth it if you can max it.
If they would add ability to circumvent item restrictions even in a limited way, scroll wand wielding restricted item using Fighter would make some sense.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

What’s hard about it? You know exactly how much it gives you. One stinking point (or 1.5 two handed multiplied on crit etc, never a ton). This isn’t close.

Not the stats in particular, but all the feats & skills that one can pick and the ability to dip a few levels in a huge variety of (sub)classes.

Seems to me that the only way to play optimally is to go through all of those and plan in advance for both your PC and your desired party up to max level.

Guess I'm just a filthy casual that can't be bothered with all that.

 

[Shadenuat]

Instead of romances Owlcats should have implemented [dumb] and [dumped x] dialogue, it would really generate some lafs from minmaxers.

 

[Dodo1610]

Dunno I played through PFKM with an 8 Con Magus and Je ne regrette rien

I finally decided to give Olwcat all of my money and I can definitely confirm WOTR is going to be the best crowdfunding CRPG ever! It's just a perfect example for a sequel IMHO

 

[Sjukob]

Looks like somebody on 4chan has uploaded a torrent for beta, again don't ask me if it's safe or works alright, I'm not touching 4chan torrent links.

 

[Shadenuat]

can definitely confirm WOTR is going to be the best crowdfunding CRPG ever

But in just 5 more months?
[Doubt]

 

[kreight]

Looks like somebody on 4chan has uploaded a torrent for beta, again don't ask me if it's safe or works alright, I'm not touching 4chan torrent links.

Can confirm. Not from 4chan but beta is available on torrent trackers now. It's legit.

 

[Ontopoly]

Owlcat twitted it a long time ago:

https://mobile.twitter.com/owlcatgames/status/1163525033605685249

Her face looks like it's photoshopped. I know that's weird to say about a drawing, but it looks like someone tried to draw a person and then took that drawing and then smoothed it out

Anti-bullying = anti-vaxxing for social skills. Imagine thinking Lilura is such a fragile, tender flower that she needs the brave Ontopoly to defend her.

bullying is wrong. No matter who it's aimed at. It's not about Lilura, it's about justice.

Anyone try out warpriest/Shield bearer? You think there's enough feats to actually make this character into a dual wielding shield basher?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

bullying is wrong. No matter who it's aimed at. It's not about Lilura, it's about justice.

How is she being bullied, you sperg?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

What’s hard about it? You know exactly how much it gives you. One stinking point (or 1.5 two handed multiplied on crit etc, never a ton). This isn’t close.

Not the stats in particular, but all the feats & skills that one can pick and the ability to dip a few levels in a huge variety of (sub)classes.

Seems to me that the only way to play optimally is to go through all of those and plan in advance for both your PC and your desired party up to max level.

Guess I'm just a filthy casual that can't be bothered with all that.

But why would you bother with playing "optimally"? I admit, I don't know how the highest difficulty works as I suck at this game so I won't touch it, but on Core with enemy number set to standard, I have no worries about anything regarding dips or planning everything for the next 150 hours of gameplay. I went through all 3 chapters in the Alpha without much difficulty and all I did was make Seelah a Dirge Bard at level 3 (because I never leave home without a Bard) and Lann a Freebooter and picked feats on just what seemed sensible. This approach serves me well and lets me actually enjoy the game compared to the first time I played Kingmaker and tried an "optimal" approach and ended up struggling through the entire game.

I play on the default difficulty, but this game seems to overemphasize the role of spellcasting and special skills thus forcing me to take all that into account. Can't really bruteforce the game with only vanilla warriors & bowmen and a token spellcaster for a few healing and positive buffing spells, so yeah. If you don't plan your leveling up properly, seems to me that you'll end up either dying very fast or having every attack of your frontliners end up as a miss.

 

[Desiderius]

Are you Porky’s alt?

This is not the case on normal difficulty if you set your melee up to flank and give your bows precise shot.

Blowing seven creation points to give yourself +1 to hit isn’t fixing this problem either.

 

[Maxwell's Demon]

Hey, does anyone know whether they implemented the Devil mythic path or not? Where can I find a list of the implemented mythic paths?

 

[Delterius]

Hey, does anyone know whether they implemented the Devil mythic path or not? Where can I find a list of the implemented mythic paths?

We only have datamines for Devil and the other advanced paths as they are for later in the game.

 

[Ontopoly]

How is she being bullied, you sperg?

Whether you think bullying in this ase is wrong or somehow justified, how the fuk an you not see that it is plain bullying. You think putting a joke harater into a game to make fun of someone isn't bullying? You an't possibly omprehend how making fun of someone in a game ould be seen as bullying? If I'm a sperg, you're an illiterate dumbfuk.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

How is she being bullied, you sperg?

Whether you think bullying in this ase is wrong or somehow justified, how the fuk an you not see that it is plain bullying. You think putting a joke harater into a game to make fun of someone isn't bullying? You an't possibly omprehend how making fun of someone in a game ould be seen as bullying? If I'm a sperg, you're an illiterate dumbfuk.