Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Game of the Year Edition

[rojay]

I'm afraid it's exactly like Pillars design: frontload the best dungeon (Raedrick, Garnison, Fort Deadlight) at the start of the game, and everything else is mostly tiny maps.

Aren't you the one who complains about House at the Edge of Time?

you’re gonna have to be more specific

Who doesn't complain about House at the Edge of Time? I really enjoyed Kingmaker but that was just a slog. Once you get the mechanics it's not hard, it's just tedious.

 

[ArchAngel]

Good Kitty!

 

[Grunker]

I'm afraid it's exactly like Pillars design: frontload the best dungeon (Raedrick, Garnison, Fort Deadlight) at the start of the game, and everything else is mostly tiny maps.

Aren't you the one who complains about House at the Edge of Time?

you’re gonna have to be more specific

Who doesn't complain about House at the Edge of Time?

That was the joke

 

[Average Manatee]

I am at the final fight

There are no sources of XP left

Rest till you interrupted by an encounter?

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Yeah loading all the good content at the beginning has become so commonplace it doesn't even surprise you anymore. With RPGs unfortunately it means they are usually the most interesting at low level.

 

[Haplo]

Haplo

I've started with Kitsune, +4 buff to three stats looks more or less interesting, plus that extra bite attack pretty useful at start.

Personally, currently I'm having more fun with the Mobility Trickster. But I do think it's not necessarily the best pick for a first playtrough

Yea, Trickster is definitely a bit more... tricky than Sanctified Slayer, I miss some of SS bonuses, plus sneak attack was a really really helping early game which is why I was thinking about possible ways to increase the damage with sneak.

There are Rage Powers to improve Move Speed further (+10, can be picked up to 3 times)

Ahh, no offence, but I do agree with Yosharian that it sucks, sounds like a pretty bad trade off of two levels. Maybe some sneak attack levels of some other class and elven curved blade as a weapon with much more higher critical range? I'm just unsure which two (potentially even 4 if going to 11 SS instead of 13 and dropping that late int damage bonus) levels can make a difference, considering the fact that going to crit oriented weapon means that it's more efficient to focus on some pure damage bonuses instead of sneak attack which doesn't multiply on crit (at least it was working like that in NWN)

And you can potentially also go for a bigger mount.

I have an efficiency OCD, so knowing that leopard a bit better in terms of effective charging I can't really use anything else, hehe

Also the crit properties of scythes are a good fit for Vek's TTT modification to Perception 2 Trick

I'd appreciate any vanilla game change advices in your build since I'm a console player retard.

And of course, - thanks a lot again, very valuable feedback!

sorry, seems like you've missed this because of delaying posting for new forum members

Hmm, frankly not sure what I may add.
Yes, Extra Rage Power for Fast Movement is a poor idea if it's classified as Enhancement bonus for some reason.
One other late game option for speed could be Winds of Vengeance buff - but don't know how to get it on such a character.

Not sure what significant sneak attack bonuses you hope to get with 2 levels. And not a fan of dropping 2 SS levels and Int to damage, key Arcana and enchantment point. Very bad idea IMO. Even with a finesse weapon, also not a fan of dropping Fighter Weapon Training, as that's +3 to hit and damage with dueling gloves - generally better then minor sneak bonuses.

You want to go with ECB? Then go ahead. But it won't be quite as fun then IMO, as you're giving up aoe potential for (slightly) better single target performance. Although personally for single target I'd go with greataxes instead.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Yeah loading all the good content at the beginning has become so commonplace it doesn't even surprise you anymore. With RPGs unfortunately it means they are usually the most interesting at low level.

I've said this so many times - Cut D:OS at the end of Cyseal and it's a great 20-hour adventure. Cut D:OS2 at the end of Fort Joy, and it's a great ~30 hour adventure. Nothing will ever feel repetitivie.

Instead we have badly balanced, bloated with filler, cliche-ridden timewasters.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Negative level: shouldn't that show on debuff bar?

I haven't played in awhile, but I'm 90% sure this is correct: temporary negative levels show up as a debuff, permanent negative levels just show as a -1 on your level. Why? I dunno, Owlcats!

 

[traa]

Haplo

I've started with Kitsune, +4 buff to three stats looks more or less interesting, plus that extra bite attack pretty useful at start.

Personally, currently I'm having more fun with the Mobility Trickster. But I do think it's not necessarily the best pick for a first playtrough

Yea, Trickster is definitely a bit more... tricky than Sanctified Slayer, I miss some of SS bonuses, plus sneak attack was a really really helping early game which is why I was thinking about possible ways to increase the damage with sneak.

There are Rage Powers to improve Move Speed further (+10, can be picked up to 3 times)

Ahh, no offence, but I do agree with Yosharian that it sucks, sounds like a pretty bad trade off of two levels. Maybe some sneak attack levels of some other class and elven curved blade as a weapon with much more higher critical range? I'm just unsure which two (potentially even 4 if going to 11 SS instead of 13 and dropping that late int damage bonus) levels can make a difference, considering the fact that going to crit oriented weapon means that it's more efficient to focus on some pure damage bonuses instead of sneak attack which doesn't multiply on crit (at least it was working like that in NWN)

And you can potentially also go for a bigger mount.

I have an efficiency OCD, so knowing that leopard a bit better in terms of effective charging I can't really use anything else, hehe

Also the crit properties of scythes are a good fit for Vek's TTT modification to Perception 2 Trick

I'd appreciate any vanilla game change advices in your build since I'm a console player retard.

And of course, - thanks a lot again, very valuable feedback!

sorry, seems like you've missed this because of delaying posting for new forum members

Hmm, frankly not sure what I may add.
Yes, Extra Rage Power for Fast Movement is a poor idea if it's classified as Enchantment bonus for some reason.
One other late game option for speed could be Winds of Vengeance buff - but don't know how to get it on such a character.

Not sure what significant sneak attack bonuses you hope to get with 2 levels. And not a fan of dropping 2 SS levels and Int to damage, key Arcana and enchantment point. Very bad idea IMO. Even with a finesse weapon, also not a fan of dropping Fighter Weapon Training, as that's +3 to hit and damage with dueling gloves -generally better then minor sneak bonuses.

You want to go with ECB? Then go ahead. But it won't be quite as fun then IMO, as you're giving up aoe potential for (slightly) better single target performance. Although personally for single target I'd go with greataxes instead.

I came up to pretty much the same conclusions, there's no obvious 2-4 levels of something that will really make a dramatic difference. Maybe something in Loremaster secrets (Opportunist would be able to add something?), but this would cost a focus feat. I'd proceed with scythe (so far just got this level 5 of Mutation Warrior and finessed heavy blades) or any other heavy blade group weapon that has x3-x4 multiplier. I do like more single target damage oriented things, so I'll check if there's something good in that weapon group.

 

[ArchAngel]

Who said their BFT are not good in offense in DLC3?
Mine is doing fine

Spoiler

as a dragon.

 

[Delterius]

Who said their BFT are not good in offense in DLC3?
Mine is doing fine

Spoiler

as a dragon.

I really wish you could take feats for all natural attacks at once. Just to round things out. and also to enable some stupid turn everyone into dragons trickster playthrough

 

[ArchAngel]

Who said their BFT are not good in offense in DLC3?
Mine is doing fine

Spoiler

as a dragon.

I really wish you could take feats for all natural attacks at once. Just to round things out. and also to enable some stupid turn everyone into dragons trickster playthrough

You don't really need them. All this character is missing is power attack and mythic power attack. But this BFT is not even built to fight in melee as a Dragon and still she is kicking ass.

 

[rojay]

I'm afraid it's exactly like Pillars design: frontload the best dungeon (Raedrick, Garnison, Fort Deadlight) at the start of the game, and everything else is mostly tiny maps.

Aren't you the one who complains about House at the Edge of Time?

you’re gonna have to be more specific

Who doesn't complain about House at the Edge of Time?

That was the joke

No shit, dude. That was my joke too. Sucks when you have to explain it.

 

[Grunker]

Who said their BFT are not good in offense in DLC3?
Mine is doing fine

Spoiler

as a dragon.

I really wish you could take feats for all natural attacks at once. Just to round things out. and also to enable some stupid turn everyone into dragons trickster playthrough

could just use the weapon groups mod

 

[Haplo]

Haplo

I've started with Kitsune, +4 buff to three stats looks more or less interesting, plus that extra bite attack pretty useful at start.

Personally, currently I'm having more fun with the Mobility Trickster. But I do think it's not necessarily the best pick for a first playtrough

Yea, Trickster is definitely a bit more... tricky than Sanctified Slayer, I miss some of SS bonuses, plus sneak attack was a really really helping early game which is why I was thinking about possible ways to increase the damage with sneak.

There are Rage Powers to improve Move Speed further (+10, can be picked up to 3 times)

Ahh, no offence, but I do agree with Yosharian that it sucks, sounds like a pretty bad trade off of two levels. Maybe some sneak attack levels of some other class and elven curved blade as a weapon with much more higher critical range? I'm just unsure which two (potentially even 4 if going to 11 SS instead of 13 and dropping that late int damage bonus) levels can make a difference, considering the fact that going to crit oriented weapon means that it's more efficient to focus on some pure damage bonuses instead of sneak attack which doesn't multiply on crit (at least it was working like that in NWN)

And you can potentially also go for a bigger mount.

I have an efficiency OCD, so knowing that leopard a bit better in terms of effective charging I can't really use anything else, hehe

Also the crit properties of scythes are a good fit for Vek's TTT modification to Perception 2 Trick

I'd appreciate any vanilla game change advices in your build since I'm a console player retard.

And of course, - thanks a lot again, very valuable feedback!

sorry, seems like you've missed this because of delaying posting for new forum members

Hmm, frankly not sure what I may add.
Yes, Extra Rage Power for Fast Movement is a poor idea if it's classified as Enchantment bonus for some reason.
One other late game option for speed could be Winds of Vengeance buff - but don't know how to get it on such a character.

Not sure what significant sneak attack bonuses you hope to get with 2 levels. And not a fan of dropping 2 SS levels and Int to damage, key Arcana and enchantment point. Very bad idea IMO. Even with a finesse weapon, also not a fan of dropping Fighter Weapon Training, as that's +3 to hit and damage with dueling gloves -generally better then minor sneak bonuses.

You want to go with ECB? Then go ahead. But it won't be quite as fun then IMO, as you're giving up aoe potential for (slightly) better single target performance. Although personally for single target I'd go with greataxes instead.

I came up to pretty much the same conclusions, there's no obvious 2-4 levels of something that will really make a dramatic difference. Maybe something in Loremaster secrets (Opportunist would be able to add something?), but this would cost a focus feat. I'd proceed with scythe (so far just got this level 5 of Mutation Warrior and finessed heavy blades) or any other heavy blade group weapon that has x3-x4 multiplier. I do like more single target damage oriented things, so I'll check if there's something good in that weapon group.

Note that end game you'll have Trick Fate (been advised picking Completely Normal Spell if only for that - to have 4 more casts per rest) - and then a x4 crit weapon wouldn't be half bad....

 

[perfectslumbers]

They completely broke the Gwerm mansion quest, good job Owlcat

 

[Daidre]

They completely broke the Gwerm mansion quest, good job Owlcat

First Quest of the DLC 3's integrated version, that starts in Chapter 3, is also broken - boss doesn't spawn and it is impossible to progress past one island.
It is hilarious that it is exactly one issue that they are promised to fix with 2.0.1e hotfix for Rogue-like.

They are really breaking one DLC 3's mode while trying to fix another, aren't they?

 

[Grunker]

They completely broke the Gwerm mansion quest, good job Owlcat

Did you see my post about it? If it's the "can't signal" bug, you can fix it by editing the save (there's also a toybox solution that might work)

 

[Grunker]

It is hilarious that it is exactly one issue that they are promised to fix with 2.0.1e hotfix for Rogue-like.

The Gwerm signal bug is also a bug they specifically mention being fixed in 2.0.1e and it seems broken for more people than ever

 

[perfectslumbers]

Did you see my post about it? If it's the "can't signal" bug, you can fix it by editing the save (there's also a toybox solution that might work)

I did not, but I did the Toybox solution and it worked in a jiffy. Still frustrating that a year down the line they're introducing companion quest breaking bugs and taking time to fix them.

 

[Jaedar]

It is hilarious that it is exactly one issue that they are promised to fix with 2.0.1e hotfix for Rogue-like.

The Gwerm signal bug is also a bug they specifically mention being fixed in 2.0.1e and it seems broken for more people than ever

This seems about on par with owlcat patching from my recollection of the game stopping bugs for the initial release. It doesn't happen for every game stopping bug, but it is not a novel issue.

 

[Daidre]

Funny enough, I remember seeing fix for Gwerm mansion in 2.0.1e patch notes, but I look at them right now:

Spoiler

And there is no mention of it. They have what, edited it later, when bug reports started to pour in from everywhere?!

 

[Grunker]

Funny enough, I remember seeing fix for Gwerm mansion in 2.0.1e patch notes, but I look at them right now:

Spoiler

And there is no mention of it. They have what, edited it later, when bug reports started to pour in from everywhere?!

I'm 90% sure I saw it too when I checked after I encountered the bug

 

[traa]

Haplo

I've started with Kitsune, +4 buff to three stats looks more or less interesting, plus that extra bite attack pretty useful at start.

Personally, currently I'm having more fun with the Mobility Trickster. But I do think it's not necessarily the best pick for a first playtrough

Yea, Trickster is definitely a bit more... tricky than Sanctified Slayer, I miss some of SS bonuses, plus sneak attack was a really really helping early game which is why I was thinking about possible ways to increase the damage with sneak.

There are Rage Powers to improve Move Speed further (+10, can be picked up to 3 times)

Ahh, no offence, but I do agree with Yosharian that it sucks, sounds like a pretty bad trade off of two levels. Maybe some sneak attack levels of some other class and elven curved blade as a weapon with much more higher critical range? I'm just unsure which two (potentially even 4 if going to 11 SS instead of 13 and dropping that late int damage bonus) levels can make a difference, considering the fact that going to crit oriented weapon means that it's more efficient to focus on some pure damage bonuses instead of sneak attack which doesn't multiply on crit (at least it was working like that in NWN)

And you can potentially also go for a bigger mount.

I have an efficiency OCD, so knowing that leopard a bit better in terms of effective charging I can't really use anything else, hehe

Also the crit properties of scythes are a good fit for Vek's TTT modification to Perception 2 Trick

I'd appreciate any vanilla game change advices in your build since I'm a console player retard.

And of course, - thanks a lot again, very valuable feedback!

sorry, seems like you've missed this because of delaying posting for new forum members

Hmm, frankly not sure what I may add.
Yes, Extra Rage Power for Fast Movement is a poor idea if it's classified as Enchantment bonus for some reason.
One other late game option for speed could be Winds of Vengeance buff - but don't know how to get it on such a character.

Not sure what significant sneak attack bonuses you hope to get with 2 levels. And not a fan of dropping 2 SS levels and Int to damage, key Arcana and enchantment point. Very bad idea IMO. Even with a finesse weapon, also not a fan of dropping Fighter Weapon Training, as that's +3 to hit and damage with dueling gloves -generally better then minor sneak bonuses.

You want to go with ECB? Then go ahead. But it won't be quite as fun then IMO, as you're giving up aoe potential for (slightly) better single target performance. Although personally for single target I'd go with greataxes instead.

I came up to pretty much the same conclusions, there's no obvious 2-4 levels of something that will really make a dramatic difference. Maybe something in Loremaster secrets (Opportunist would be able to add something?), but this would cost a focus feat. I'd proceed with scythe (so far just got this level 5 of Mutation Warrior and finessed heavy blades) or any other heavy blade group weapon that has x3-x4 multiplier. I do like more single target damage oriented things, so I'll check if there's something good in that weapon group.

Note that end game you'll have Trick Fate (been advised picking Completely Normal Spell if only for that - to have 4 more casts per rest) - and then a x4 crit weapon wouldn't be half bad....

Good point, thanks!

 

[Humbaba]

Think I'll be starting my 4th playthrough soon. I've settled on going Elf Grenadier and picking Trickster before going Swarm. Having a party made up of 6 bomb throwers sounds very fun. Will be opting for elven curved blades, I can use those with weapon finesse. Won't be getting much out of the Trickster sneak attack stuff but I'm gonna lose all that once I go swarm anyway. Will romance Camellia and then have her devoured by bugs.