Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Game of the Year Edition

[Haplo]

I've pondered Huntsmaster. Would probably pick one if going for Legend (since it's limited to single Mythic Feat and Ability). I hate what Owlcat did to Evil Outsider Favored Enemies. Ranger types ALMOST might have been useful in this setting. Alas. Fortunately there's still Booter...

Otherwise SS clearly wins in my book. Studied Target, Sneak attacks, Slayer Talents. Pays an extra Mythic Ability for Impossible Domain and Boon Companion feat, but oh well.

Hunter is strictly inferior with his Medium BAB and no real advantages (apart from sharing Teamworks with AC).

 

[Desiderius]

I've pondered Huntsmaster. Would probably pick one if going for Legend (since it's limited to single Mythic Feat and Ability). I hate what Owlcat did to Evil Outsider Favored Enemies. Ranger types ALMOST might have been useful in this setting. Alas. Fortunately there's still Booter...

Otherwise SS clearly wins in my book. Studied Target, Sneak attacks, Slayer Talents. Pays an extra Mythic Ability for Impossible Domain and Boon Companion feat, but oh well.

Hunter is strictly inferior with his Medium BAB and no real advantages (apart from sharing Teamworks with AC).

(1) Lead Blades

(2) full Vitals

(2) full pet with abilities that enhance it

(3) martial prof

(4) lvl 2 free outflank for both you and Mount (I.e. always on with the way Wrath does flanking)

(5) full Barkskins

(6) Faerie Fire (don’t laugh, try against the Lich)

(7) Celestial Template

(8) better spell mix with Aeon

(9) Animal foci better than they look

 

[Daidre]

Hunter is strictly inferior with his Medium BAB and no real advantages (apart from sharing Teamworks with AC).

I was always conflicted about Sanctified Slayer. It looks wonderful on max level on paper but in practice she was always underperforming comparing to the Divine Hound for the first three chapters I've played her. With my playstyle, Divine Hound soloed chapter 1 and early chapter 2 like a bulldozer, while SS was struggling and spent all that time spamming scrolls in the desperate hope of becoming cool one day.
Would be different with a full party, ofc.

 

[Desiderius]

Hound is great.

Does Hunter in fact have Lead Blades now? Fextraclowns think it does. Can use the Mythic you’re not blowing on Animool Domain on the famous Stone Call/Enforced Vigor combo (poor man’s Time Stop). Then you can just move into position instead of worrying about Teleporting, but that’s a whole different build.

If you want Domain + Mount might as well play the class designed for it tho, and that fits better with Aeon.

 

[Daidre]

Does Hunter in fact have Lead Blades now?

Yes, Hunter always had Lead Blades afair.

Then you can just move into position instead of worrying about Teleporting, but that’s a whole different build.

I always thought that Travel Domain teleport is personal. Or you can take your mount along with you? I know that mounted magus can do this, but he has a special ability for it.

 

[Haplo]

Then you can just move into position instead of worrying about Teleporting, but that’s a whole different build.

I always thought that Travel Domain teleport is personal. Or you can take your mount along with you? I know that mounted magus can do this, but he has a special ability for it.

It works fine mounted. I should know, I played a Cleric that way.

Its even according to the tabletop rules AFAIR. Although there you have a daily distance budget you can cover - and taking others with you costs you more distance budget AFAIR.
Here you simply have class level number of uses...

 

[Cryomancer]

I HATE puzzles and am not interested in very low level adventure. Any reason to buy any DLC?

 

[Humbaba]

I HATE puzzles and am not interested in very low level adventure. Any reason to buy any DLC?

No, everyone says it sucks. It also ends on a cliffhanger lmao.

 

[Desiderius]

Yes, Hunter always had Lead Blades afair.

Never did get around to melee Hunter but pretty sure this was one of the things that should never have been missing in the first place that they also never got around to including, which is one of the reasons I never got around to playing it, though I could be mistaken.

Always on Outflank at lvl 2 with three attax on your MC and an attack and a Trip on his Mount seems pretty good tho.

 

[Haplo]

Hunter is strictly inferior with his Medium BAB and no real advantages (apart from sharing Teamworks with AC).

I was always conflicted about Sanctified Slayer. It looks wonderful on max level on paper but in practice she was always underperforming comparing to the Divine Hound for the first three chapters I've played her. With my playstyle, Divine Hound soloed chapter 1 and early chapter 2 like a bulldozer, while SS was struggling and spent all that time spamming scrolls in the desperate hope of becoming cool one day.
Would be different with a full party, ofc.

Well, I might be reinforcing your point, since this test was at the beginning of Act 3, level 11 (so after Acts 1 and 2), but at that level... looked okay to me:

Spoiler

Of course that's a crit, don't have Vulpine Pounce here yet...

When not charging damage is less, but up to 7 attacks kinda make up for that.

Divine Hound (and other Hunters) do little to strenghten their characters and focus on Animal Companions instead. Bad move IMO. ACs might be great early on, but later they cannot compete with a PC. Long term, its only worth investing in their AC... and maybe Tripping ability.
Well, in Real Time I suppose they can trigger Leading Strikes. They can a little in Turn Based also - if they have Pounce.

 

[Desiderius]

Divine Hound (and other Hunters) do little to strenghten their characters and focus on Animal Companions instead. Bad move IMO. ACs might be great early on, but later they cannot compete with a PC.

I haven't found either of these to be the case, and I've played a lot of Hunter with Lann.

Pics are great but what is SS really bringing to the table there?

Your proposed solution ends up with a late pet (you're down two feats, with Outflank several levels later plus Boon) and one less Mythic since Hunter doesn't need to burn the Domain, so don't forget that as well. Animal Focus helps both pet and player.

 

[Daidre]

Divine Hound (and other Hunters) do little to strenghten their characters and focus on Animal Companions instead. Bad move IMO. ACs might be great early on, but later they cannot compete with a PC.

Imho, all those paper-thin Hunters/Inquisitors are fun in the first chapters, but all of them stop being brightest star in the party when keeping animal companion under them moving and breathing starts to become an issue.
I think best result for ACs I've got was with Azata who was sharing Tandem Trip and Seize the moment (and other teamwork feats), with Legendary Proportioned Dog + Wolf + 3 Archers in the party with Snap Shot and Combat reflexes, and Mythic Feats spent on Mythical Beast and Ever Ready. So less cool Spirited Charge and more of AoO loop.
It was my only rider who got to chapter 5, I often lose interest in them around ch 3.

BTW, Opportunist works with Snap Shot and triggers attack from archer when ally hits someone next to them in melee.

 

[Haplo]

Divine Hound (and other Hunters) do little to strenghten their characters and focus on Animal Companions instead. Bad move IMO. ACs might be great early on, but later they cannot compete with a PC.

I haven't found either of these to be the case, and I've played a lot of Hunter with Lann.

Pics are great but what is SS really bringing to the table there?

Your proposed solution ends up with a late pet (you're down two feats, with Outflank several levels later plus Boon) and one less Mythic since Hunter doesn't need to burn the Domain, so don't forget that as well. Animal Focus helps both pet and player.

Well, its bringing +2 Studied Target (when multi-attacking an enemy), 3d6 Sneaks (with Accomplished Attacker), Bane, Divine Favor (compared with Hunter).

 

[Desiderius]

Notable Hunter Spells (lol the interface is still messed up so doesn’t list sixth level spells)

5: Geniekind, Cave Fangs, Vinetrap, Nature’s Ally V (1d4 +1 Leopards), Cure Crit, Death Ward

4: Obsidian Flow, Echolocation, Slowing Mud, Freedom, Aspect of Wolf, Animal Growth, Inspiring Recovery

3: Feather Step, Mass, Delay Poison Communal, Magic Fang, Greater, Longstrider, Greater, Soothing Mud, Resist Communal, protect communal, Chameleon Stride, Greater

2: Owls/Bulls/Bears/Cats, Barkskin, Stone Call, Vitals, Effortless, Aspect of the Bear, Restoration, Lesser, Frigid Touch, Spine Growth

1: Acid Maw, Lead Blades, Unbreakable, Faerie Fire, Longstrider, Delay/Resist 10 min/lvl

 

[Desiderius]

Divine Hound (and other Hunters) do little to strenghten their characters and focus on Animal Companions instead. Bad move IMO. ACs might be great early on, but later they cannot compete with a PC.

I haven't found either of these to be the case, and I've played a lot of Hunter with Lann.

Pics are great but what is SS really bringing to the table there?

Your proposed solution ends up with a late pet (you're down two feats, with Outflank several levels later plus Boon) and one less Mythic since Hunter doesn't need to burn the Domain, so don't forget that as well. Animal Focus helps both pet and player.

Well, its bringing +2 Studied Target (when multi-attacking an enemy), 3d6 Sneaks (with Accomplished Attacker), Bane, Divine Favor (compared with Hunter).

You get Favor and Bane already from Aeon. Accomplished Sneak is +3d6 now? Hunter has Vitals for Sneaks.

Got the game turned on finally. The Combining of Inq and AeonBane is a big boost for both but seems better at Range due to unfortunate stacking with Crusaders Edge (Natural/Unarmed attax also don’t work with Edge)?

At Mythic 6 all your Summons get Aeonbane on their attacks. There are ways to make that relevant.

 

[Daidre]

Well, its bringing +2 Studied Target (when multi-attacking an enemy), 3d6 Sneaks (with Accomplished Attacker), Bane, Divine Favor (compared with Hunter).

Divine Hound also get Inquisitor's Judgments and can make them unlimited with mythic feat. +Attack progression is the same as on Studied Target and +Damage even outpaces it. Judgments also affect pet.

And basic Inquisitor's Bane, iirc, could be replaced with Crusader's Edge (only one bane could be active). Greater Bane is stronger, but much later.

 

[ga♥]

How long is the new DLC, I saw a review that said he finished it in 5 hours and a half playing turn based :\

 

[Daidre]

How long is the new DLC, I saw a review that said he finished it in 5 hours and a half playing turn based :\

Did it in ~4-5 hours today. It has 2 story companions (Sorc and Rogue archer)+ 3 hirelings. 2 Huge maps (like Kenabres Market) and several small ones. Lot of skill checks and storybook events. Looks like almost zero connection to the main game.
And achievements were bugged, I've got none of them even with UMM uninstalled

 

[Desiderius]

6: Bulls/Bears/Cats/Owls, Mass (these free up a lot of item slots), Dispel, Greater, Sirocco, Stoneskin, Communal, Ally VI, Tar Pool

 

[ga♥]

How long is the new DLC, I saw a review that said he finished it in 5 hours and a half playing turn based :\

Did it in ~4-5 hours today. It has 2 story companions + 3 hirelings. 2 Huge maps (like Kenabres Market) and several small ones. Lot of skill checks and storybook events. Looks like almost zero connection to the main game.
And achievements were bugged, I've got none of them even with UMM uninstalled

Meh at least the other DLC took me a while, I think more than 10+.
Did you like it?

 

[Daidre]

Did you like it?

I've enjoyed this DLC enough to play it whole in one sitting. It has some interesting combat setpieces thrown at the low lvl party with 15 point buy. Most of them are avoidable and there is no combat xp.
But I love pathfinder and season pass is dirt cheap in russian money. I do not think it is worth 13$ they ask for it outside of season pass.

 

[Desiderius]

By the way, short of Trickster with Perception trick, I don't think you can teach an AC Greater Trip to really benefit from AoOs. With normal Trip, the enemy should be dead before he gets a chance to get up and provoke an AoO.

Urban Hunter can give himself and his mount Greater Trip (or Lunge(!)) at lvl 12, 15, or 18 or any of the other Greater CMs.

I did Urban Hunter with Lann and ended up a little short on Feats but it should get there with melee I think. But yeah if you want Swift teleport that's Divine Hunter.

 

[Desiderius]

OK, fired up a Divine Hunter and discovered that you get the Domain Spells from your Domain, which is a pretty big deal since Hunter is a Spontaneous casting class…

Travel gets Longstrider, Grace, Mass Feather, Mass Dimension Door (which will be amazing), Break Enchant, and Elemental Body III (Air) which won’t I don’t think. Will be interesting with unpossible Domain though.

You get the Domain right away, so Hop at level 8, but can’t Mount my Smilo until lvl 7 (unless Reduced, which not planning on). Might burn a Mythic to get Vulpine at 14. Should be interesting.

Animal Focus lets Smilo start at 16 STR. Keen Kitsune will let me handle Stealth and Trickery on MC. No Aru or Cam for this Aeon. Daredevil Smilo can’t be flanked starting at lvl 9.

 

[Desiderius]

And... Precise Companion (second level Hunter ability) isn't giving the Smilo Outflank.

Yeah, I'm waiting until this game is finished.

MC is getting it which is five levels early for 3/4 BAB class and you know free feats are good.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

Finished DLC2 on Core. It is a low level campaign for Level 1 - 5 (practically 1 - 4 as the 5th level happens in like the last 3% of the DLC). As people pointed out, combat is largely optional and gives no EXP altho some of them do give decent items in context of the campaign.

The DLC2 focus in general is about resource utilization. This comes with the usual consumables but compared to main campaign there are 2 big difference. The first one are two unique items, Tools and Ropes, both can be used to interact with environment to avoid fight/get behind enemy lines for advantageous position or triggering environment kills switch (falling boulder ,etc)/get some decent items. They are in limited supply and thus considering when to use them is main attraction. The 2nd is Limiting Rest due to NPC mechanic. Throughout your journey in DLC2 you will meet cast of NPC that will help your party during Storybook Sequence (those small CYOA things). During those, they could get ailments that reduce their health and every rest will result in those ailments progressing worse and worse potentially killing them. Removing the ailment requires Scroll of Remove Disease (Circle 3 Cleric spells thus you won't get them normally ingame as it is largely Level 1 - 4) which is designed as another limited resource. This encourage players to minimize rest as much as possible if you do care to keep them alive.

Now in practice the DLC is still very combat heavy outside the first hour. Soon you will get to 5 party (MC, Rogue companion, 3 mercs {default are Fighter, Slayer, Cleric}) and then get the last party member (Sorc companion). Within scope of Core difficulty, using Tools and Rope as needed, it is fairly easy to basically just clear every map within boundary of 1 rest per major area. I would assume playing DLC in Hard would be really hard and Unfair, unfair if you really want to keep everybody alive. Some encounter can be bruteforced in Core but I would assume you will really2 need to skip or Kill Switch those in Hard/Unfair.

Narrative wise, there is more happening than meet the eye which is revealed in some part of the story. The companions are incredibly cliched, voice acting is very floaty to point of almost parody. The DLC ends after you get to the Tavern and Tavern attack commences.

Spoiler

The DLC actually ends in cliffhanger/TBC scree so unclear what would comes out of the plot

Overall I like it enough. People like Lacrymas who like low level DnD would probably happy with this. It certainly is much better DLC than DLC 1, engaging throughout. Biggest complain would be the spoiler ending above as it feels like a copout and with news of Season Pass 2 actually makes me think that Owlcat are kinda milking WotR too much.