Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Game of the Year Edition

[Seari]

Edited this portrait from nexus, if anyone wants to use. Wanted to make a shield basher MC but changed my mind, now it feels like a waste.

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[Parabalus]

Finished preliminary testing on my MC build, self-buffed and missing some things he can achieve a maximum of around 3350 damage per round

This is purely single-target, averaged out damage?

 

[Yosharian]

Finished preliminary testing on my MC build, self-buffed and missing some things he can achieve a maximum of around 3350 damage per round

This is purely single-target, averaged out damage?

Oh of course.

 

[razvedchiki]

Edited this portrait from nexus, if anyone wants to use. Wanted to make a shield basher MC but changed my mind, now it feels like a waste.

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he looks like he has PSTD with that 1000 yards stare.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

I am just being spoiled by Aeon + Full BAB Class that I am not sure how will I play with next Mythic Path, especially if I plan to play on Hard. 2 rounds of full physical immunities + free 6 AB to whole party and -6 to all enemies, Aeon Bane dispelling everything, hits like a truck, free Divine Casting to self buff even more. Literally just got Legendary Proportioned, dimension door to mid of enemies, laugh at their attempt to hit you, then in the next 6 seconds obliterate everything. Anything that survive will have 0 buff and be easy picking.

Just did secret boss of DLC1 and get out with 0 scratch and kill the boss in less than 15 seconds, just 1 full attack to kill the guy.

I should've saved this Aeon Monk stuff for Hard

To make it insulting it's not even a "fancy big brain build" literally just generic monk build with few level of Bloodrager to get Mirror image. Aeon is just that stupid strong.

 

[Seari]

I just started with Demonslayer MC, plan is to use Vital Strike with Wide Sweep for groups and Jinx single target. Can't decide between Demon and Aeon. Demonic Charge is a move action into Vital Strike, which is rly nice. You guys got any input?

Edit: Also is Rowdy dip worth it with Sense Vitals?

 

[Desiderius]

Every Mythic path has broken things it can do and the non-broken things you and the companions can do are usually good enough anyway.

Dealing 3375 damage per round or whatever is solving a problem that doesn’t exist.

 

[Yosharian]

Who said I was doing it to solve a problem? I'm doing it because it's fun.

 

[Parabalus]

Did they fix Cleaving Finish copying the triggering attack?

So a GVS with a reach weapon used to do 3k crits to the whole screen.

 

[Desiderius]

SancSlayer4/Gendarme4(Cockatrice)/SancSlayer8 with Animal Domain and Trickster gets you everything (Pounce + Swift Hop) at lvl 12/Mythic4 plus Community or Nobility on top of Travel and Animal with auto-Shaken to boot from Persuasion Trick 1 and Acolyte (Wis to Persuasion). You're also swimming in Feats and save a Mythic from not needing Impossible Domain.

Plus you still get all the good INQ stuff: WIS to Initiative, Perception/Intimidation per lvl/2, Solo Tactics, so I can't fault you for going that way.

Divine Hunter is probably a better fit for Aeon (although Bane use stacking is handy) since it saves the Mythic you'd have to spend on Impossible by avoiding Animal Domain altogether and gives you a better spell mix that also frees up the Cam/Aru slot which is big in it's own way. You can either do the Gendarme splash there as well to get Pounce earlier or stay pure to develop your (better) spells and (worse) class abilities. At the end of the day all the extra feats just get you there earlier rather than being essential to class function.

Crucially it comes with Martial Proficiency so can be played without a splash or burning a feat for it, unlike the Inquisitors.

I think Hellknight is the only full BAB class that can get a Domain, or is supposed to. If you're very patient (end of Fane for Domain Zealot) you can get it from Trickster on any class though.

 

[Desiderius]

Biggest problem with STR Kitsune and a 3/4 BAB class is it will miss a lot early but the second level Outflank helps a good bit there. Or it would if it worked.

Funny enough, there is nothing in description indicating that both Hunter and her pet will get the feat.

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And that's description from d20pfsrd (worked this way in Kingmaker mod too):

At 2nd level, a hunter chooses either Precise Shot or Outflank as a bonus feat. She does not need to meet the prerequisites for this feat. If she chooses Outflank, she automatically grants this feat to her animal companion as well.

So it is not strictly a bug. Looks like those assholes consciously adapted it out deciding that it is not worth the time wasted on coding because Hunter will share Outflank anyway at lvl 3. And fucked up Divine and Urban Hunter, who sacrifice teamwork feat sharing, in process.
Same thing with Hunter's auto-access to Summon Nature's Ally 1-6 spells, that makes one guy from Steam forum very very sad.

Precise Companion is THE thing that makes Hunter a true Ranger/Druid hybrid instead of just a crappy Druid. It really is that good.

Either like a Ranger you’re effective in Ranged combat at lvl 2 (which a Druid might never be) or you’re even a little ahead of a Ranger in melee since you get Outflank way ahead of everybody. But if your pet doesn’t get it you don’t either since nobody else will for several levels.

Just such a cluster.

 

[Desiderius]

"The DC for most mythic abilities now is 10 + half character level + mythic rank + max ability modifier"

Anyone know what exactly this applies to? Doesn't apply to spells (if anyone can explain where those DCs and slot numbers come from that would be a big help) and the Aeongaze saves helpfully don't show up in the Combat Log AFAICT.

 

[Desiderius]

Are they limited in deity/Domain picks? Can they get Animal? Can they get Impossible Domain?

Regill can currently get Travel Domain, but not Impossible Domain, even after he has his first Domain, so no Animals (probably why he doesn't get it).

Full BAB Animal Domain is Trickster only.

Druids can get Animal Domain, but don't get Impossible either.

The ability says only Clerics may take it, but Inquisitors and Divine Hunter can also take it, while Hellknight and Druid can't. Non-Reg HKs can't get a Domain at all, even if they take Godclaw Order.

This game is Calvinball.

 

[Delterius]

Full BAB Animal Domain is Trickster only.

after a fashion. from what i understand you're still delayed for most of the game since progression is based on mythic rank. your animal is gonna be level 8 when you're around level 14ish.

 

[Desiderius]

Reg should at least be able to Mount his crappy Tracker Wolf.

 

[Desiderius]

Battle/Nature Oracle Trickster would be a pretty cool way to do it if you go that way.

Alright I’ll go back to one post per day.

 

[ga♥]

New dlc question:

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how did you deal with death on eight legs plus spider friends?
Also I was attacked during camping by a bapthomet cultist, and got a masterwork glaive+chainshirt! Is this intended? Seems too good

 

[InD_ImaginE]

New dlc question:

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how did you deal with death on eight legs plus spider friends?
Also I was attacked during camping by a bapthomet cultist, and got a masterwork glaive+chainshirt! Is this intended? Seems too good

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Regarding resting and getting attacked, yeah I guess it is an oversight. Masterwork item are rare and you shouldnt get it until the last part of the DLC.

Regarding death on 8 legs, there really is nothing you need there (the big prize is cooking recipe) but I did manage to kill it on Core through liberal application of lube Grease, so it require you to have arcane caster there. Outside of that you can get to level 2 in cave by opening the last door but not proceeding. Resting after you get level 2 should make it much2 easier.

 

[Haplo]

Battle/Nature Oracle Trickster would be a pretty cool way to do it if you go that way.

Alright I’ll go back to one post per day.

Thanks, but no. Already have an Angel Cleric multiclass.

 

[Haplo]

Are they limited in deity/Domain picks? Can they get Animal? Can they get Impossible Domain?

Regill can currently get Travel Domain, but not Impossible Domain, even after he has his first Domain, so no Animals (probably why he doesn't get it).

Full BAB Animal Domain is Trickster only.

Druids can get Animal Domain, but don't get Impossible either.

The ability says only Clerics may take it, but Inquisitors and Divine Hunter can also take it, while Hellknight and Druid can't. Non-Reg HKs can't get a Domain at all, even if they take Godclaw Order.

This game is Calvinball.

Ah yes, I remember trying to take it on Druid - and being very disappointed. Also too bad about Hellknights. Oh well, thank you very much for testing, Desiderius.

 

[Daidre]

Look like Owlcat had done something to the pathfinding calculation for the Charge. Previously even tiniest piece of trash on the way meant no charge for you, but now my doggy jumping through uneven terrain like it nothing.

 

[razvedchiki]

is there a mod that allows to park your horsie outside a dungeon?

 

[Zed]

I'm torn between picking this up again from where I left off or starting anew. I don't even remember what class I played. It's just that the game is so damn long

 

[razvedchiki]

play an instictual warrior/mutation warrior legend!

 

[Haplo]

SancSlayer4/Gendarme4(Cockatrice)/SancSlayer8 with Animal Domain and Trickster gets you everything (Pounce + Swift Hop) at lvl 12/Mythic4 plus Community or Nobility on top of Travel and Animal with auto-Shaken to boot from Persuasion Trick 1 and Acolyte (Wis to Persuasion). You're also swimming in Feats and save a Mythic from not needing Impossible Domain.

Plus you still get all the good INQ stuff: WIS to Initiative, Perception/Intimidation per lvl/2, Solo Tactics, so I can't fault you for going that way.

Divine Hunter is probably a better fit for Aeon (although Bane use stacking is handy) since it saves the Mythic you'd have to spend on Impossible by avoiding Animal Domain altogether and gives you a better spell mix that also frees up the Cam/Aru slot which is big in it's own way. You can either do the Gendarme splash there as well to get Pounce earlier or stay pure to develop your (better) spells and (worse) class abilities. At the end of the day all the extra feats just get you there earlier rather than being essential to class function.

Crucially it comes with Martial Proficiency so can be played without a splash or burning a feat for it, unlike the Inquisitors.

I think Hellknight is the only full BAB class that can get a Domain, or is supposed to. If you're very patient (end of Fane for Domain Zealot) you can get it from Trickster on any class though.

I think I'm saving Trickster for a potential Legend finish - if I ever get around to that.

For now I guess it's back to the SS concept.
And the Str Vs Dex dilemma.

Edit: I feel like you're overstating the redundancy of Inquisitor and Aeon Spells, Desiderius. Aeon progression is SLOW, at the end of act 3 you get access to what, 2-3 level 2 spells? And Mythic spells are usually so good, you'll want to devote like 80% of your slots to them.

Plus you can make really good use of more copies of Divine Favour/Power, Magical Vestment, Death Ward, Freedom, Crusaders Edge, Protection/Resist Energy, Shield of Faith, Remove Fear, Protection from Evil/Chaos (Communal lasts only 1 minute, therefore sucks)...
Hell, with the added spontaneous spell slots, you can even become a support healer in a pinch.

Frankly, I don't think a Hunters spell list compares favourably at all. In general not a fan of the druid/shaman spellbook in these games. And for me Sense Vitals + Lead Blades are not enough to vindicate them. A ranger at least also gets Instant Enemy... but Owlcat broke the obvious Favoured Enemy pick in this campaign.