Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Game of the Year Edition

[Desiderius]

Here's a couple options for other builds that take good advantage of Natural Attacks:



This is Elemental Rampager Druid with Motherless Tiefling that sets up well for the stats you want. Four attacks early without having to splash, which is important to preserve fast spell progression and to unlock the good Elemental Keystones.



Hagbound Keen Kitsune starts with three attacks and the level two ability cancels out the STR malus from Kitsune. Doesn't stack with Enlarge but hard to keep Enlarge up early anyway and frees up slots, then sets up well for infinite Curse midgame. Also fast spell progression for late casting with Demon DC forms. Curse was (bugged?) using CHR for DC not sure if that's been fixed.

 

[RunningWolf]

Its not a poor opening move its completely retarded opening move on a fighter. Using your opening action to make mobs flat footed instead of you know charging them out of combat when they are already flat-footed.

 

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[Jaedar]

Its not a poor opening move its completely retarded opening move on a fighter. Using your opening action to make mobs flat footed instead of you know charging them out of combat when they are already flat-footed.

Charging isn't that good if you don't have full attack on charge though (late game at least, early it's good), might as well dazzle and let the enemies come to you.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

RT easy fights, TB the hard fights

*taps forehead*

 

[ArchAngel]

Its not a poor opening move its completely retarded opening move on a fighter. Using your opening action to make mobs flat footed instead of you know charging them out of combat when they are already flat-footed.

Charging isn't that good if you don't have full attack on charge though (late game at least, early it's good), might as well dazzle and let the enemies come to you.

it is very good if you invested in initiative as you will charge them while they are flat footed and then get initiative on round 1 and get a full attack when they are still flat-footed. Is it better with pounce? sure but it is not bad without it.

 

[Grunker]

Its not a poor opening move its completely retarded opening move on a fighter. Using your opening action to make mobs flat footed instead of you know charging them out of combat when they are already flat-footed.

Charging isn't that good if you don't have full attack on charge though (late game at least, early it's good), might as well dazzle and let the enemies come to you.

it is very good if you invested in initiative as you will charge them while they are flat footed

95% of fights you are able to initiate, meaning you can charge them flat-footed in the surprise round regardless of initiative (initiative will then help you get a full-attack before they stop being flat-footed).

However a few of the very hard plot fights don't give you an opportunity for a surprise round.

 

[Grunker]

RT easy fights, TB the hard fights

*taps forehead*

There are no (or very, very few) "easy" fights on Unfair, at least not in the first 7-8-9 levels.

In general I'm very satisfied with the difficulty of this one so far. The difficulty has definetely fallen off since the insane first 6 levels, but it's still decently hard. Way better than Kingmaker on this point.

In fact I think that on subsequent playthrough I'll turn off double damage and nerf my builds a bit to make up for it. Of the many inelegant solutions to Pathfinder ruleset difficulty scaling, most are... fine, but double damage isn't. It wasn't noticable in Kingmaker after the first few levels because difficulty is so low, but it definetely is in WotR.

 

[ArchAngel]

Its not a poor opening move its completely retarded opening move on a fighter. Using your opening action to make mobs flat footed instead of you know charging them out of combat when they are already flat-footed.

Charging isn't that good if you don't have full attack on charge though (late game at least, early it's good), might as well dazzle and let the enemies come to you.

it is very good if you invested in initiative as you will charge them while they are flat footed

95% of fights you are able to initiate, meaning you can charge them flat-footed in the surprise round regardless of initiative (initiative will then help you get a full-attack before they stop being flat-footed).

However a few of the very hard plot fights don't give you an opportunity for a surprise round.

that is what I said. and plot fights are not important in this discussion but still initiative is useful in those to catch enemy flat footed.

 

[Desiderius]

Its not a poor opening move its completely retarded opening move on a fighter. Using your opening action to make mobs flat footed instead of you know charging them out of combat when they are already flat-footed.

I knew Skyrim was single-player, but until now I wasn’t aware it was single-enemy. Even there you’re just talking a single attack, with no guarantee it’s going against a flat-footed enemy. And with Natural Attacks you’re trading quality for quantity so it might not even be that big. Following turn getting those Secondary attacks vs flat-footed is a big deal.

But that’s just a single enemy. The big threats are rooms full of enemies like the Jeslyn fight. There Move + Dazzling effectively gives your whole team +2 AC/DC, then if you follow up with Daeran walking in with Archon’s up another +2 AC/AB/DC. People were just shitting their pants over spending six Mythics for that.

The following turn you’re now in position to unleash a full attack on a high priority target without the Charge AC malus.

Intimidate is a skill check for you not a save for them and bypasses SR.

I just don’t get people who can’t conceive of a situation where they’d want that effect let alone think that ignorance is some sort of an own.

Git gud.

 

[Desiderius]

Its not a poor opening move its completely retarded opening move on a fighter. Using your opening action to make mobs flat footed instead of you know charging them out of combat when they are already flat-footed.

Charging isn't that good if you don't have full attack on charge though (late game at least, early it's good), might as well dazzle and let the enemies come to you.

The point of Standard Dazzling is that you can do both. Can’t afford to sit back and let casters own you. It’s actually slightly worse in RTwP where you can set up Zerg Charges with Outflank crit chains but you’ve still got the too many threats to zerg problem.

 

[Grunker]

On a completely different note, Community Domain almost feels like cheating. That aura is bonkers. I can sort of defend it mentally due to lacking a bard AND a paladin (well, lacking a paladin soon), so it’s not like my aura stacking game is great

 

[Lambach]

On a completely different note, Community Domain almost feels like cheating. That aura is bonkers. I can sort of defend it mentally due to lacking a bard AND a paladin (well, lacking a paladin soon), so it’s not like my aura stacking game is great

Oh, just you wait for the particularly nasty stuff at Chapters 4-6. That Aura will start feeling less like cheating and more like a necessity, specially considering you're on Unfair. I sure as shit hope your Party Member casting it has his WIS score upped as much as humanly possible.

 

[Desiderius]

On a completely different note, Community Domain almost feels like cheating. That aura is bonkers. I can sort of defend it mentally due to lacking a bard AND a paladin (well, lacking a paladin soon), so it’s not like my aura stacking game is great

It’s pretty clunky without Zealot and even there it eats a Swift (and a Mythic if you put it on Sos, who’s already Mythic and Swift starved) and is Competence. At that cost it’s pretty fair since it doesn’t stack with Bard/Skald and there are no Bard/Skald companions so it makes up for that lack pretty well.

I’ve taken it on an MC and been happy but on Sosiel it duplicates a lot of what he already does and keeps him from developing his casting/fighting to supplement his Domain abilities.

Decent pickup for Lann Huntmaster but I like Inspiring Command there for more activations.

 

[Jaedar]

On a completely different note, Community Domain almost feels like cheating. That aura is bonkers. I can sort of defend it mentally due to lacking a bard AND a paladin (well, lacking a paladin soon), so it’s not like my aura stacking game is great

I can't wait for you to run into playful darkness, and see what you think feels like cheating at that point

It's not the hardest encounter in the game by any means, but it's probably the first truly hard encounter. The level draining demon in Kenabras might compete as well I guess, but he's easy to miss. And not that tricky if you know to counter his level drain.

 

[Haplo]

Its not a poor opening move its completely retarded opening move on a fighter. Using your opening action to make mobs flat footed instead of you know charging them out of combat when they are already flat-footed.

Kind of disagree. At least in actually challenging scenarios.

 

[Haplo]

On a completely different note, Community Domain almost feels like cheating. That aura is bonkers. I can sort of defend it mentally due to lacking a bard AND a paladin (well, lacking a paladin soon), so it’s not like my aura stacking game is great

I can't wait for you to run into playful darkness, and see what you think feels like cheating at that point

It's not the hardest encounter in the game by any means, but it's probably the first truly hard encounter. The level draining demon in Kenabras might compete as well I guess, but he's easy to miss. And not that tricky if you know to counter his level drain.

Also, have you been to Blackwater yet? That place is also kinda fun on Unfair. Particularly without such Domain "cheating".

 

[Desiderius]

Unfair Maugla is plenty hard. The point of things like Playful is finding ways to attack it other than just stacking infinite AB, especially if doing so crowds out the regular development of your characters.

But infinite AB stacking is also something you can do if you design for it, it just narrows down your other options.

 

[Lambach]

I can't wait for you to run into playful darkness, and see what you think feels like cheating at that point

90-something AC on Unfair, IIRC. Grunker your +10 AB Aura won't really make much of an impact there, just FYI. No reason to feel guilty for using it.

 

[Jaedar]

On a completely different note, Community Domain almost feels like cheating. That aura is bonkers. I can sort of defend it mentally due to lacking a bard AND a paladin (well, lacking a paladin soon), so it’s not like my aura stacking game is great

I can't wait for you to run into playful darkness, and see what you think feels like cheating at that point

It's not the hardest encounter in the game by any means, but it's probably the first truly hard encounter. The level draining demon in Kenabras might compete as well I guess, but he's easy to miss. And not that tricky if you know to counter his level drain.

Also, have you been to Blackwater yet? That place is also kinda fun on Unfair. Particularly without such Domain "cheating".

I am upset that Grunker will never know the true """fun""" of original release cyborg kavakias.

 

[Average Manatee]

At some point some of my characters seem to have decided to stop auto attacking in real time mode. AI is on for them and they aren't affected by blindness or anything similar. Anyone know why? It's only certain characters.

 

[Desiderius]

+10 here and +10 there it starts to add up. But you can also do things that take AC out of the equation or lower it substantially.

Playful is Instinctual Warrior 2/Vivi 17 with Mummification but he’s not actually Undead. He can be Intimidated, Brilliant Energy works, etc…

 

[LannTheStupid]

It’s pretty clunky without Zealot and even there it eats a Swift (and a Mythic if you put it on Sos, who’s already Mythic and Swift starved) and is Competence. At that cost it’s pretty fair since it doesn’t stack with Bard/Skald and there are no Bard/Skald companions so it makes up for that lack pretty well.

I’ve taken it on an MC and been happy but on Sosiel it duplicates a lot of what he already does and keeps him from developing his casting/fighting to supplement his Domain abilities.

Decent pickup for Lann Huntmaster but I like Inspiring Command there for more activations.

Why do you insist on having swift action for domains on Sosiel (or any cleric for that matter)? Guarded Hearth is a ward that is cast before the fight, stays forever (from the fight time perspective), and cannot be recast in the same day. Vision of Madness is a touch attack - you need to move to the target and, you know, touch it? What are you spending all those swift actions on, and why do you think Domain Zealot is such a crucial Mythic? IMHO it might very well wait after Community and Madness impossible domains are picked.

 

[Average Manatee]

On a completely different note, Community Domain almost feels like cheating. That aura is bonkers. I can sort of defend it mentally due to lacking a bard AND a paladin (well, lacking a paladin soon), so it’s not like my aura stacking game is great

It is bonkers, but at least with impossible domain you can fit it into any party to it seems more "fair" to me. It felt way more abusive to use it in Kingmaker where you either had to make a Merc or do a weird multiclass on a companion

 

[Desiderius]

On a completely different note, Community Domain almost feels like cheating. That aura is bonkers. I can sort of defend it mentally due to lacking a bard AND a paladin (well, lacking a paladin soon), so it’s not like my aura stacking game is great

It is bonkers, but at least with impossible domain you can fit it into any party to it seems more "fair" to me. It felt way more abusive to use it in Kingmaker where you either had to make a Merc or do a weird multiclass on a companion

It’s pretty clunky without Zealot and even there it eats a Swift (and a Mythic if you put it on Sos, who’s already Mythic and Swift starved) and is Competence. At that cost it’s pretty fair since it doesn’t stack with Bard/Skald and there are no Bard/Skald companions so it makes up for that lack pretty well.

I’ve taken it on an MC and been happy but on Sosiel it duplicates a lot of what he already does and keeps him from developing his casting/fighting to supplement his Domain abilities.

Decent pickup for Lann Huntmaster but I like Inspiring Command there for more activations.

Why do you insist on having swift action for domains on Sosiel (or any cleric for that matter)? Guarded Hearth is a ward that is cast before the fight, stays forever (from the fight time perspective), and cannot be recast in the same day. Vision of Madness is a touch attack - you need to move to the target and, you know, touch it? What are you spending all those swift actions on, and why do you think Domain Zealot is such a crucial Mythic? IMHO it might very well wait after Community and Madness impossible domains are picked.

On Sosiel specifically it lets him use his very good (and plentiful) Domain abilities each round while also casting/attacking and/or moving. Doubles his action econ.

As a non-spontaneous caster he benefits greatly from all three Abundant Mythics. He’s there in the first place for the irreplaceable Divine buffs like Archon’s and Crusader’s Edge. Abundant lets him also use the best-in-game Divine self-buffs if you want to attack with him or the very good in this setting Divine offense spells if you want to cast.

In either case he wants Mythic Evo Focus for Archon’s and maybe Mythic Spell Pen for Prayer/casting or Ever Ready for fighting since he has so much Reach. That doesn’t leave much room for Impossible Domain and he’s already got great Domain abilities in any case.

Hearth is a Full Action and there are several tough enemies (like Shiv or Jeslyn, plus you want to Door in on Darkness and Nulk) that aren’t set up well for sitting back and pulling.