Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Game of the Year Edition

[Delterius]

add summoner you cowards

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

So it seems that the AI will indeed ignore your MC when he's on a mount. Which means that they will then attack someone squishy on your team, because the AI follows a certain target priority.
So yeah, if you want to tank with your MC, don't put him on a mount.

Haven't really noticed this to be honest. Unless you are saying that your MC was someone squishy before and you put them on a mount and now they aren't targetted. That makes sense, they can only target the mount and the mount isn't squishy, so its lower on the priority list. But at least in my experience a tanky character vs. a tanky mount is targetted about the same, maybe more for the mount if its huge.

No, I mean the AI absolutely ignores my MC and his Mount (who are on the front line) and runs past them to kill Ember.
After a while it gets pretty annoying, especially when they get initiative and one shot her.

 

[Average Manatee]

No, I mean the AI absolutely ignores my MC and his Mount (who are on the front line) and runs past them to kill Ember.
After a while it gets pretty annoying, especially when they get initiative and one shot her.

Just in general or specific enemies? I've seen a very small number of enemies do this but its by far the minority. And I've never seen the mount affect it, its just that sometimes enemies just go for less protected casters.

Usually if there's something killing my backline casters its archers.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

No, I mean the AI absolutely ignores my MC and his Mount (who are on the front line) and runs past them to kill Ember.
After a while it gets pretty annoying, especially when they get initiative and one shot her.

Just in general or specific enemies? I've seen a very small number of enemies do this but its by far the minority. And I've never seen the mount affect it, its just that sometimes enemies just go for less protected casters.

Usually if there's something killing my backline casters its archers.

In general. Maybe its a turn based thing, but most enemies just run past my front line. Its very common to see my backline have like 10 enemies clipping into its party members because Owlcat's model collision is weird.

 

[Delterius]

Maybe its a turn based thing

sometimes yeah

you'll want to keep the wizard way behind the frontlines and hope for the best

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Some of the most annoying fights involved those assasin-type demons with pitchfork weapon, they just go balls deep on my MC every time.

 

[Yosharian]

If your MC isn't mounted then a lot of enemies will aggressively target him/her

If they are, then it's a whole different kettle of fish

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Some of the most annoying fights involved those assasin-type demons with pitchfork weapon, they just go balls deep on my MC every time.

Especially the Infiltrators.
Why yes, teleport from out of line of sight and one turn kill Ember, sure why not. That's not some bullshit at all.
Its bad enough that Babaus have stupidly high sneak that allows them to be undetected, even with See Invisibility active (unless the game just spawns them in with scripted nonsense, like Midnight fane), but did they have to teleport as well?

 

[deama]

I recently finished a playthrough and ended up going as the swarm that walks.
That one was real nice for me at least, I really wished that you could have gone with the swarm thing from the beginning, like a more "proto" version of it, and then evolved into the proper swarm that walks by mythic 8.

 

[frajaq]

so how much of an meme is this tier rank list, after all this time?

https://www.neoseeker.com/pathfinder-wrath-of-the-righteous/guides/Class_Rankings#Rankings_explained

 

[Average Manatee]

so how much of an meme is this tier rank list, after all this time?

https://www.neoseeker.com/pathfinder-wrath-of-the-righteous/guides/Class_Rankings#Rankings_explained

Ehh.

A few insanely stupid statements. Court poet being the best skald class lmao wtf. You actually need to be mentally handicapped to think this.

A few things I'd highly disagree with. Yes, crusader can get weapon specialization. Weapon specialization is super weak in the grand scheme, being 1 behind on domains throttles your progression pretty hard until Mythic 8+ and 1 spell per level less can also sting a lot. Shamans being B? What? I find it hard to consider any full caster 2/3rd BAB class to be B even if you get rid of hexes. Nevermind Wildland should clearly be the best one of them due to having a pet.

Comparing ratings between classes shows that they make no sense. Yes Instinctual Warrior and Mut Warrior are obviously much better than their base classes but no where near S+, they make weak base classes into marginally decent classes.

A lot of the analysis seems to not take into account party composition well. For example if you're trying to play on Hard/Unfair and min-max, you are going to have Guarded Hearth no questions asked. Given that it's a competence bonus to attack, this makes the Bard class obsolete since you're invalidating the main point of Bard for the toughest battles and it's clearly better to take Skald/Incense Synthsizer/Judge/Freebooter or Hunter's Bond ranger (I'm probably missing another archetype in this list) who handle the similar task of party-wide AB buffs to hit tough things in a way that will stack. Yet he rates bard A while the rest of these classes are often worse.

I keep skipping around the page reading random things and finding stuff to disagree with lmao.

 

[Correct_Carlo]

After (nearly) a full year playing these games, I beat Deskari in chapter 5. I'm level 20, level 9 mythic. What's left? Kind of just want to finish and get my fucking unfair achievement and be done, eventhough it's kind of fun basically being a God now.

How much of this shit is left, in terms of total hours?

 

[Average Manatee]

Potentially as low as 0.5-1 hours, depending on how much of everything else there is to do before threshold and whether you want to do it. There's a lot of stuff that is basically just for funsies or a few marginal item improvements.

 

[Yosharian]

so how much of an meme is this tier rank list, after all this time?

https://www.neoseeker.com/pathfinder-wrath-of-the-righteous/guides/Class_Rankings#Rankings_explained

Beast Rider is underrated. Crusader overrated. 2HF is better than it was because of the gloves exploit. Spirit Hunter isn't as good as it was. Wildland Shaman should be S tier. Battle Scion is overrated.

It's not a bad list at all, this guy has written plenty of dumb stuff about Wrath but this isn't too bad.

 

[Haplo]

Hap are you sure about that?

About Triceratops (non-Bismuth) not getting a trip? Pretty sure. I mean it should get it AFAIK - and it just might with some patch. But that hasn't happened yet AFAIK.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

so how much of an meme is this tier rank list, after all this time?

https://www.neoseeker.com/pathfinder-wrath-of-the-righteous/guides/Class_Rankings#Rankings_explained

First of all, it's highly theorycrafting, as per usual. You'll see classes praised for something that's plain shite or simply doesn't work at all if you try actually playing the game.

But even beyond that, it's full of really silly statements on a very surface level. Like rating ranger kits that lose pet for literally nothing much higher than a kit that does get a pet.

 

[Parabalus]

Comparing ratings between classes shows that they make no sense. Yes Instinctual Warrior and Mut Warrior are obviously much better than their base classes but no where near S+, they make weak base classes into marginally decent classes.

Psure those are highly rated because of dipping.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Yeah a lot of his ratings assume there's something worthwhile to dip into, it's not about playing single-class all the way.

 

[Haplo]

No, but lots of new archetypes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder...mining_looking_through_211s_files_unreleased/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder...mining_looking_through_213s_files_unreleased/

Interesting. I will say that one of the things I don't like about class+character pack is that if I wanted to play with a shifter then I'd never make one myself, I'd just take Ulbrig, which means all those archetypes likely go unused. Adding a bunch of scattered archetypes would avoid that. It'd hopefully also mean that Owlcat would balance them to be A-S tier stuff with unique abilities you'd want to play rather than useless crap like Dragonblood Shifter or Fiendflesh Shifter.

Also, crossing my fingers that they'll finally allow more comprehensive companion respeccing.

Its not obligatory to bring Ulbrig along, though it might feel wasteful not to.

Then again, he's very strong, but doesn't represent the shifter flexibility or ability to assume various shapes at all. His archetype is strong, but only within one niche. Regular and Wild Effigy shifters are far more versatile.

 

[Average Manatee]

Comparing ratings between classes shows that they make no sense. Yes Instinctual Warrior and Mut Warrior are obviously much better than their base classes but no where near S+, they make weak base classes into marginally decent classes.

Psure those are highly rated because of dipping.

As dips its still bad.

Why rate Instinctual Warrior S+ when Barbarian is rated B (which I agree with)? The only notable advantage is wis to AC (you're not getting any useful rage abilities in time for a dip), but the objectively strongest all-around and easiest to use melee builds will all be riding pets, and when you do that your AC doesn't matter, so only those builds should be capable of getting S+ and IW should be B+, A- even as a dip. Mut warrior is a little more debatable though since it at least spikes your damage and offers feats.

so how much of an meme is this tier rank list, after all this time?

https://www.neoseeker.com/pathfinder-wrath-of-the-righteous/guides/Class_Rankings#Rankings_explained

First of all, it's highly theorycrafting, as per usual. You'll see classes praised for something that's plain shite or simply doesn't work at all if you try actually playing the game.

But even beyond that, it's full of really silly statements on a very surface level. Like rating ranger kits that lose pet for literally nothing much higher than a kit that does get a pet.

I can defend this to some extent. Ranger's Bond and Freebooter's bonuses are still very, very good, and Ranger is the only class that can offer a unique party-wide AB bonus against tough targets in the same way that a Bard can while remaining high BAB itself (I'm not counting Sensei because like Bard his problem is that his bonus is competence which fails to stack with Guarded Hearth, which we are assumed to be using if we are sweaty min-maxing for Unfair) (EDIT: Of course I forgot Paladin with Mark of Justice also accomplishes this in a different fashion). The ranger can always be the character who rides the triceratops and be attacking with lunge + reach weapon to ensure their slightly underleveled triceratops stays behind other characters/pets and therefore doesn't take that much damage. That said, even with that the big thing you are giving away is that you could be a demonslayer riding a Boar who gets full +10 AB/Damage from favored enemy against everything which also applies to trips, meaning virtually everything that can be tripped will be. It's a valid pick either way depending on your party.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

Oh, just to be clear - I wasn't talking about the freebooter. Freebooter definitely does not give away a pet "for nothing".

 

[Average Manatee]

Ahh, K, Flamewarden and Stormwalker? Yeah they are pretty shit, and Espionage Expert should be way above them since it does get Ranger's Bond. I thought you were talking primarily about EE/FB.

For all intents and purposes if you really squint hard then Ranger and Demonslayer are equally good since Ranger has nothing else to really spend swift actions on except Instant Enemy and you can rest spam almost everywhere. And Espionage Expert is the same as a Demonslayer or Ranger who is taking Ranger's Bond. So they could all theoretically be rated S-tier. Of course for player sanity taking Demonslayer and not resting and rebuffing every single battle is vastly preferably and therefore deserves a better rating.

 

[Parabalus]

rest spam

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

Does mutation warrior even work as a dip considering how many levels you need to get the basic mutagen, never mind some decent discoveries? And I think you cannot prolong mutagen effect with enduring anymore? Really feels like it's become the meme class of this game.

 

[Average Manatee]

5 levels gets +4 stat along with weapon training +1 and can wear the gloves for another +2. So +5 AB/+6 Dam, along with 3 feats. 5 Minute mutagen timer is low, but if you are rest spamming to the point where you want rnd/level buffs up for most fights then it isn't holding you back. If you want a pure martial its one of the better choices.

rest spam

Yeah I'm anti-rest spam too. If anything I'm an anti-rest masochist. But that's also why I play on Hard rather than Unfair. If you have rnd/level and limited use buffs up constantly it basically negates the hard->unfair difficulty increase. Which is also why I often put boss battles on unfair when I'm unleashing everything I have.