Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[rusty_shackleford]

Well, you know, I understand that motive. If you're a pretty common, ordinary person (like all of us are on this website, minus a couple of schizos) and you're playing a make-believe fantasy game, it's only natural you want to play some special badass. And if you're too impatient to play an actual old-school type of "special" D&D character (e.g. a Wizard), you'll just go along with the simplest choice, i.e. the dimension-splitting, Chi-blasting mage-warrior Animu badass.

All of the perks with none of the drawbacks, because that's what the ultimate power fantasy is.

I disagree.
I think most people -- average people -- enjoy a story where the meek are successful against far greater powers than themselves through hard work and perseverance.

The primary hero of Lord of the Rings is not Steward Boromir -- surely one of the greatest warriors of Men, who manages to fell twenty orcs singlehandedly -- nor was it Aragorn, High King of both Arnor and Gondor. Neither was it Gandalf, an ancient Istari wizard.
It was Frodo and Samwise.

 

[LannTheStupid]

I think most people -- average people -- enjoy a story where the meek are successful through hard work and perseverance.

This is not our culture.

In our culture weak suffer, go to GULAG and die. And rich and powerful thrive one way or another. Sometimes they have divine retribution if the author is kind.

That is why one of the most popular genres in the 90's-00's was subverting Tolkien. The Russian way, not the GRRM's way.

 

[Reinhardt]

our culture

Говно про попаданцев даже хуже ебучего исекая. "Культура", блядь.

 

[gurugeorge]

I'm in Chap 3, about to get into Chap 4......................

And I feel the urge to restart with a different build.

WHY?

Retarded question why not respec

I-It's not the same

(Please be patient I have autism)

I can understand that, I mean a respecced character with a completely different build in the middle of a game is like a stranger, you haven't lived with him/her through the adventures, you haven't gotten used to his funny little combat ways.

 

[Matalarata]

So, I just encountered the Dragon in a random encounter in Act III

Spoiler

I win initiative, so I immediately cast Protection and Resist Fire communal + Swift Haste and some other buffs. The dragon uses a swift Displacement and breathes on my group for 0 damage, except the Drood, which fails and gets 23 HP.

The dragon immediately gets butthurt I wasn't damaged and immediately flies away . Dunno if it is scripted to always work like this at round two but the dialogue made it look like a reaction to what just happened. If so, nice touch!

 

[Thonius]

Uh, picking undead mount was a stupid move now my epic battle horse got whooping 23 hp with CHA score of 6....

 

[smaug]

So, I just encountered the Dragon in a random encounter in Act III

Spoiler

I win initiative, so I immediately cast Protection and Resist Fire communal + Swift Haste and some other buffs. The dragon uses a swift Displacement and breathes on my group for 0 damage, except the Drood, which fails and gets 23 HP.

The dragon immediately gets butthurt I wasn't damaged and immediately flies away . Dunno if it is scripted to always work like this at round two but the dialogue made it look like a reaction to what just happened. If so, nice touch!

It’s scripted, sometimes you live 4 or 3 rounds and he’ll leave.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

Gaah, the rp stuff around the Azata path is pure Tumblr faggotry. I really wanted that zippy magic but I didn't realize it would come with such a heavy price tag. I feel my character is soiled now

I wanted superpowers but switched to Aeon after visiting Azata's special location for the first time.

 

[Matalarata]

It’s scripted

Yes, but does she always says something along the lines of "Why doesn't it hurt you?" or something similar? I definitely couldn't have taken her down.

 

[FriendlyMerchant]

So, I just encountered the Dragon in a random encounter in Act III

Spoiler

I win initiative, so I immediately cast Protection and Resist Fire communal + Swift Haste and some other buffs. The dragon uses a swift Displacement and breathes on my group for 0 damage, except the Drood, which fails and gets 23 HP.

The dragon immediately gets butthurt I wasn't damaged and immediately flies away . Dunno if it is scripted to always work like this at round two but the dialogue made it look like a reaction to what just happened. If so, nice touch!

It works that way. You'll get the encounter a few times. It's the dragon for one of your quests.

 

[Lambach]

I disagree.
I think most people -- average people -- enjoy a story where the meek are successful against far greater powers than themselves through hard work and perseverance.

The primary hero of Lord of the Rings is not Steward Boromir -- surely one of the greatest warriors of Men, who manages to fell twenty orcs singlehandedly -- nor was it Aragorn, High King of both Arnor and Gondor. Neither was it Gandalf, an ancient Istari wizard.
It was Frodo and Samwise.

OK, but ask the average person if they want to be Frodo and/or Sam, as in, live their lives, or if they want to be a genetically superior ubermench like Aragorn, a Númenórean that at age 87 looked like a human at age ~30 and was in his physical prime, or if they want to be a nearly 3000-year-old Elf with Spiderman-tier levels of agility and vitality like Legolas etc.

That's the point of playing a Role-Playing game, you don't want to be just another average boring fuck like you are in real life (which Frodo and Sam are, except they're somewhat shorter and much braver than the average person), you want to be exceptional in some way that you are not.

That notion is what makes most of role-players tick, but the problem is that certain settings/rulesets take it way too far, to the point where you don't even need all that "hard work and perseverance" that you mentioned because you're just too Anime-tier to give two shits about any threats (unlike the LoTR example you mentioned).

 

[gurugeorge]

I disagree.
I think most people -- average people -- enjoy a story where the meek are successful against far greater powers than themselves through hard work and perseverance.

The primary hero of Lord of the Rings is not Steward Boromir -- surely one of the greatest warriors of Men, who manages to fell twenty orcs singlehandedly -- nor was it Aragorn, High King of both Arnor and Gondor. Neither was it Gandalf, an ancient Istari wizard.
It was Frodo and Samwise.

OK, but ask the average person if they want to be Frodo and/or Sam, as in, live their lives, or if they want to be a genetically superior ubermench like Aragorn, a Númenórean that at age 87 looked like a human at age ~30 and was in his physical prime, or if they want to be a nearly 3000-year-old Elf with Spiderman-tier levels of agility and vitality like Legolas etc.

That's the point of playing a Role-Playing game, you don't want to be just another average boring fuck like you are in real life (which Frodo and Sam are, except they're somewhat shorter and much braver than the average person), you want to be exceptional in some way that you are not.

That notion is what makes most of role-players tick, but the problem is that certain settings/rulesets take it way too far, to the point where you don't even need all that "hard work and perseverance" that you mentioned because you're just too Anime-tier to give two shits about any threats (unlike the LoTR example you mentioned).

I dunno, I think you're right that there's escapism in roleplaying for sure, but it's more like escapism to another, non-predictable world, where you can roleplay either something you are or something you are not. If a game has replayability, my first character tends to be like me, and then other characters tend to be more not like me, so I feel I'm exploring other aspects of the game that were locked off before, by exploring other ways of thinking (obvs playing an evil char is like that, as I am gud boi irl ).

 

[rusty_shackleford]

I disagree.
I think most people -- average people -- enjoy a story where the meek are successful against far greater powers than themselves through hard work and perseverance.

The primary hero of Lord of the Rings is not Steward Boromir -- surely one of the greatest warriors of Men, who manages to fell twenty orcs singlehandedly -- nor was it Aragorn, High King of both Arnor and Gondor. Neither was it Gandalf, an ancient Istari wizard.
It was Frodo and Samwise.

OK, but ask the average person if they want to be Frodo and/or Sam, as in, live their lives, or if they want to be a genetically superior ubermench like Aragorn, a Númenórean that at age 87 looked like a human at age ~30 and was in his physical prime, or if they want to be a nearly 3000-year-old Elf with Spiderman-tier levels of agility and vitality like Legolas etc.

That's the point of playing a Role-Playing game, you don't want to be just another average boring fuck like you are in real life (which Frodo and Sam are, except they're somewhat shorter and much braver than the average person), you want to be exceptional in some way that you are not.

That notion is what makes most of role-players tick, but the problem is that certain settings/rulesets take it way too far, to the point where you don't even need all that "hard work and perseverance" that you mentioned because you're just too Anime-tier to give two shits about any threats (unlike the LoTR example you mentioned).

I'd say there's a difference between wanting to be and making a more interesting story.
I don't find roleplaying as what is effectively fantasy superman to be very interesting or fun.

Many of the games on the codex's top 101(top 10 of those especially so) are about individuals who aren't particularly special. The ones that are about people who are special are more about discovering that than utilizing it(e.g., PST, Morrowind)

 

[Israfael]

Говно про попаданцев даже хуже ебучего исекая. "Культура", блядь.

He probably meant Perumov and his ilk. People who read that litterature should have no legal right to complain about writing in games or any other media

 

[smaug]

This goddamn tree gives 10k EXP???

Fucker killed me twice and gave me a disease which has a DC higher than what I can remove…

 

[FriendlyMerchant]

This goddamn tree gives 10k EXP???

Fucker killed me twice and gave me a disease which has a DC higher than what I can remove…

Trees tend to vulnerable to fire , bro. And it's generally a bad ideea to bite them.

I want to RP as a Beaver.

 

[smaug]

Welp, finished Wintersun, glad I came here at level 11.

Onward to blackwater I go..

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Welp, finished Wintersun, glad I came here at level 11.

Onward to blackwater I go..

African Americanwater*

 

[Salvo]

Welp, finished Wintersun, glad I came here at level 11.

Onward to blackwater I go..

Get ready to CdG.

 

[smaug]

Welp, finished Wintersun, glad I came here at level 11.

Onward to blackwater I go..

Get ready to CdG.

What is that?

Also,

Spoiler

I returned the whip to the spectre to avoid fighting then took it back after I left the area, is that intentional

Lol

 

[Robber Baron]

110 hours later finished Drezen, 10 hours in Drezen itself

Spoiler

No rests, no npc casualties, lots of save scumming and petty restarts, LOVED IT
Can see myself hitting a wall on Core at some point seeing how pushed I was at times here
Most trouble - with the summoned demon, had to kill him only after activating the -4 flag debuff, because otherwise he killed half of the party, didn't even know there would be that helpfull debuff was just hoping to find some scrolls or pots since I was running empty on everything
Went all out on Stanton and Mihago with most of my pally's and Nenio's heavy hitters saved and still the best I could do after 2 hours of tries is a victory with only 3 party members left alive after some lucky rolls
Really loved Stanton's character, I hope Aeon lets you give him a second chance
Everything was great so far, aside from bootleg HoMM minigame

 

[Salvo]

Welp, finished Wintersun, glad I came here at level 11.

Onward to blackwater I go..

Get ready to CdG.

What is that?

Also,

Spoiler

I returned the whip to the spectre to avoid fighting then took it back after I left the area, is that intentional

Lol

Coup de Grace. You'll be doing plenty...

 

[Matalarata]

110

I admire your autism man. Have fun.


Remember, anyone trying to tell you that what you're doing is wrong for whatever reason, is actually confessing you he's blabbering moron

 

[Lambach]

I'd say there's a difference between wanting to be and making a more interesting story.
I don't find roleplaying as what is effectively fantasy superman to be very interesting or fun.

Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Playing a Fantasy Superman is indeed completely uninteresting, which is what certain settings provide (*cough-Pathfinder-cough*)

But OTOH, playing an ordinary person who just happens to be stranded in a super-ordinary situation and yet makes it through despite everything seems illogical and dumb, and I don't understand the appeal of that either. I would certainly not want to play that.

Like gurugeorge says, it's all mostly about escapism, and if I'm to "escape" to a different world far more dangerous than our own, I would want my character to be far superior to myself in many ways. Otherwise, I can't suspend my disbelief that this character would actually survive, let alone thrive, in such a world.

Many of the games on the codex's top 101(top 10 of those especially so) are about individuals who aren't particularly special.

Hoo, they are very much special. They start out weak, as is RPG tradition, but they rise above their rank far more quickly than they have any in-world reason to.

Bloodlines is probably the best example, as it's based on an actual PnP-game. A several-nights old Fledgling takes on a several-century old Vampire Elder in single combat and defeats him. That defies every single bit of logic in the cannon lore and can only be explained only by either "it's a video-game, who gives a shit" or "Caine is powering you up, ergo you're special". Either way, you're being given special treatment.

Planescape: Torment? - Can you be any more special than someone who died over a thousand times and kept coming back? And you're responsible for committing a crime so awful a hundred, a thousand lifetimes ago that it threatens to tear the very Planes asunder?

Fallout 1/2 - OK, you're kind of a nobody in 1, but already in 2, you're the descendant of your famous progenitor from 1, making you pretty special.

Arcanum? - You're a reincarnation of a god, or so it is believed.

Deus Ex? - You're the specially produced, most expensive bio-weapon ever put together by any international organization, ever. Hell yeah, you're motherfucking special.

Etc. etc.

 

[Thonius]

Mothefuckers and their 2 stage battles.... wtf is this stauton bullshit? Combined witht the fucking charge issues and pathfinding I'm gonna fucking rocket away!
The one time I almost bit him I died because game DECIDED THAT IS SMART TO unmount me during second stage.... fuck you gaem!