Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[<3sRichardSimmons]

Did the latest patch break the cleaner mod for anyone else?

 

[Tao]

Does True Seeing fuck with shadows evocations/conjuring and the killer phantom spells line? I was going to go for the Ilusion school boost then i remembered that Demons usually have true sight and i have no clue if it's an automatic fail check

The more i want to roleplay my build the more my autistic brain annoying me about how mecanicaly retard/inefficient is what i want to do. And all i wanted to do is a cruoromancer dhampir necro/lich :S

 

[Shadenuat]

Does True Seeing fuck with shadows evocations

no but first playtest if they do force 2 saves and use actual illusion DC, because I remember problems.

 

[Delterius]

Did the latest patch break

When in doubt Yes

 

[Delterius]

Does True Seeing fuck with shadows evocations/conjuring and the killer phantom spells line?

No. True Sight affects pure tricks of the light. Shadow spells both physically exist, and are a direct mental effect akin to enchantment spells. IE they are mind affecting, not just illusions.

 

[smaug]

Does witch hexes DC’s increase with level?

 

[TheEntitledOne]

Daeran's heartfelt expression of grief when one of the main NPC's kicks the bucket.

Spoiler

what a shame

 

[Shadenuat]

Does witch hexes DC’s increase with level?

10+1/2 level+int or cha. just like most class abilities.

 

[Parabalus]

BG1 - a fighter in good armor is the most effective combat unit on the battlefield, although wizards can cc them, Rogues can help party in some other manner like using skills/items (and generally could be buffed, but please, please no ROGUE IS DPS CLASS

What are rogues supposed to do when everyone else gets access to the same skills, often better access?

PF is pretty good at making rogues not be a dead weight.

Same what skirmish units do in wargames. They are useful, but can't fight heavy infantry of heavy cavalry.

What does that even mean for RPGs?

If anything rogues should be good against immobile armored targets.

 

[Shadenuat]

What does that even mean for RPGs?

high speed, high stamina
stealth
perception, can see other stealth units, reveal fog of war
tracking (see how enemy units move on map)
ambushing (from terrain, when units pass near u). traditional barbarian tactics: drag them into place where you fight well, and kill them there.
extra damage on ambush, but low stats in a direct fight ("skirmish" bad when goes directly against "heavy" unit)
ability to move through difficult terrain (including swimming)
ability to retreat when attacked in melee (hence skirmish)
raiding (getting extra loot from places)
set traps?
attack stamina & morale. that's what skirmishers usually do: they throw all these rocks on you, they don't do much, but it drains your stamina & morale, and then their heavy allied unit wipes you out.

what does that mean for RPGs? to be realistic, world has to be more than a pretty backdrop for your dmg>their hp bar, as said. Rogues by concept are a contextual thing, they need context in game to operate to "make sense".

 

[Parabalus]

What does that even mean for RPGs?

high speed, high stamina
stealth
perception, can see other stealth units, reveal fog of war
tracking (see how enemy units move on map)
ambushing (from terrain, when units pass near u). traditional barbarian tactics: drag them into place where you fight well, and kill them there.
extra damage on ambush, but low stats in a direct fight ("skirmish" bad when goes directly against "heavy" unit)
ability to move through difficult terrain (including swimming)
ability to retreat when attacked in melee (hence skirmish)
raiding (getting extra loot from places)
set traps?
attack stamina & morale. that's what skirmishers usually do: they throw all these rocks on you, they don't do much, but it drains your stamina & morale, and then their heavy allied unit wipes you out.

what does that mean for RPGs? to be realistic, world has to be more than a pretty backdrop for your dmg>their hp bar, as said. Rogues by concept are a contextual thing, they need context in game to operate to "make sense".

Their context in the game is high damage, low defenses. Works decently tbh.

All the other stuff either isn't in CRPGs or can also be done better by generic skills or spells.

 

[Shadenuat]

Generic skills/spells do nothing for tactics and activate none of your brain cells during play. Flanking for rogues in PK is select > left click.

All the other stuff either isn't in CRPGs

Naturally; hence why RPGs are bad combat and bad tactics games.

 

[Ramnozack]

How do you make ember good? Her hexes are resisted de facto by the base wisdom stat of every monster now and I gave her ascended element and she still does barely any damage.

I did a 1 level dip into cross-blooded sorcerer, gave her gold and red dragon bloodlines for a +2 dmg per die to all fire spells, get her ascended element fire, get her mallanders insult belt which adds 2d6 unholy damage to every fire spell, get her pyromaniancs ring which gives 1d6+5 fire damage to every, get her second bloodline brass dragon to get a total of +3 dmg per die for all fire spells. She hits like an absolute truck.

 

[Joggerino]

Is it normal to suffer so much as a necromancer in crusader mode?? I get 5 units weekly reinforcement and sometimes after battle I get between 20 and 40 basic undead troops. I also got 15 vampires in an event but they aren't anything special so the whole time I had to rely on random mercenaries. A I doing something wrong here?

You will need to combine everything together as Necro. But in the end it does not really matter, your army leader mage will kill most with nuke spells.

Well fuck it then, I'm installing the auto win mod.

 

[Shaki]

please no ROGUE IS DPS CLASS.

Rogue is dps class and there is nothing you can do about it


Also fighter/mages are incline, scrawny cross-dressing nerd wizards should be eliminated from RPGs. This whole concept is a joke, that exist purely for escapism purposes, so nerds getting bullied by jocks could go home and cope by owning muscleheads in fantasy world with the power of their mind.

Even if you can cast spells, you should be competent enough to swing a weapon, and not get 1v1d in melee combat by any drunk retard you encounter. There is no excuse for being a weak pussy. In the army, even if you're a tech guy, you still get physical training. This is the way.

 

[smaug]

Can I get lann back after I already picked wenduag? I don’t want thots in my party

Parabalus

 

[ga♥]

Btw when you use "hideous laughter" on enemy armies in crusader minigame, it seems that the AI slows down 100000 times. Every enermy army turn last like a minute.

 

[Jarpie]

Can I get lann back after I already picked wenduag? I don’t want thots in my party

Parabalus

Not till

Spoiler

chapter 5.

 

[smaug]

Can I get lann back after I already picked wenduag? I don’t want thots in my party

Parabalus

Not till

Spoiler

chapter 5.

awww dammit, that’s too long, wenduag is such an annoying prick whore but my only good archer

 

[NJClaw]

Btw when you use "hideous laughter" on enemy armies in crusader minigame, it seems that the AI slows down 100000 times. Every enermy army turn last like a minute.

DarkUnderlord I think you can now understand the desperate and urgent need of this button:

It just works! x 1

Please, this thread is unplayable without it.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Btw when you use "hideous laughter" on enemy armies in crusader minigame, it seems that the AI slows down 100000 times. Every enermy army turn last like a minute.

Because they are laughing.

 

[gurugeorge]

100AC

Can someone explain what these numbers are even supposed to mean?
For example, here is the armor class table from AD&D

So if you have 2 AC, you have equivalent protection as someone wearing Plate Mail + Shield.


So, what does "100AC" represent in Pathfinder? Surely it's not just some silly anime-tier powerlevel number that keeps going up with no real meaning... right?

It's a bit of a misnomer really, calling it "armor class" - it's a more abstract concept that includes both armor and the ability to avoid being hit for any number of reasons. As the guy said above "how hard it is to hit you." And with a build like BolshyPlays, it's a big stack of a lot of interweaving conditional tricks that rely on high dexterity. 20 of those AC are conditional while fighting, it's actually 80AC just standing there (i.e. ready to be attacked but not yet actually fighting).

 

[Cryomancer]

Can someone explain what these numbers are even supposed to mean?

Argentine style inflation.

I miss 2E, where ancient gold dragons had -10 AC and there was no way to have crazy high numbers.

IF PF:WoTR has Argentina style inflation, DOS2 has Zimbabwe style inflation.

 

[Parabalus]

Can I get lann back after I already picked wenduag? I don’t want thots in my party

Parabalus

Not till

Spoiler

chapter 5.

awww dammit, that’s too long, wenduag is such an annoying prick whore but my only good archer

She's def less annoying than Lann, the latter is pretty whiny.

 

[gurugeorge]

One only thinks of it as "inflation" if one is glued to the concept of "armor" per se, but if one understands it in the more abstract sense that it's meant, it makes sense.

Dexterity, nimbleness, etc., are always going to be more effective in terms of avoiding being hit than armor - in fact if anything, armor means you don't have to rely on nimbleness as much (although I'm sure most of us here are clued up enough to know about plate armor not being "clunky" and actually allowing for a lot of dexterity and nimbleness).

Armor per se should really be a separate concept that takes effect if a hit gets through, included in something like "mitigation" or "damage reduction," and "armor class" should be renamed to something more abstract like "avoidance rating" or "defence rating" or something like that. e.g. for plate armor, it's more like a "glancing blows defence" effect, but with helmets being vulnerable to bludgeoning; for chainmail something different again, more like straight mitigation or damage reduction against certain types of weapons.

I suppose the struggle is always finding a nice balance between detailed simulation and having the system simple enough for a bunch of drunk nerds to understand