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[ArchAngel]

You can easily google something like "Pathfinder bestiary"

Owlcat inflates defensive numbers to laughable degree (which I support and have supported in Kingmaker as well, since 3.5/PF offenses are hilariously overtuned compared to defensives, making the quintessential 3.5/PF stat initiative if played RAW post level 6 or 7ish).

It has to because it is much easier to upkeep buffs in the game and also PnP does not have Load Game feature.

 

[Sunri]

You can easily google something like "Pathfinder bestiary"

Owlcat inflates defensive numbers to laughable degree (which I support and have supported in Kingmaker as well, since 3.5/PF offenses are hilariously overtuned compared to defensives, making the quintessential 3.5/PF stat initiative if played RAW post level 6 or 7ish).

Game is easy anyway.

 

[Grunker]

You can easily google something like "Pathfinder bestiary"

Owlcat inflates defensive numbers to laughable degree (which I support and have supported in Kingmaker as well, since 3.5/PF offenses are hilariously overtuned compared to defensives, making the quintessential 3.5/PF stat initiative if played RAW post level 6 or 7ish).

It has to because it is much easier to upkeep buffs in the game and also PnP does not have Load Game feature.

Did you read my bracket?

 

[Grunker]

You can easily google something like "Pathfinder bestiary"

Owlcat inflates defensive numbers to laughable degree (which I support and have supported in Kingmaker as well, since 3.5/PF offenses are hilariously overtuned compared to defensives, making the quintessential 3.5/PF stat initiative if played RAW post level 6 or 7ish).

Game is easy anyway.

That's what I hear. Which makes me sad, because the initial Codex reports made this sound much harder than Kingmaker post mid-levels. Sounds like it's fake news

 

[Grauken]

You can easily google something like "Pathfinder bestiary"

Owlcat inflates defensive numbers to laughable degree (which I support and have supported in Kingmaker as well, since 3.5/PF offenses are hilariously overtuned compared to defensives, making the quintessential 3.5/PF stat initiative if played RAW post level 6 or 7ish).

Game is easy anyway.

That's what I hear. Which makes me sad, because the initial Codex reports made this sound much harder than Kingmaker post mid-levels. Sounds like it's fake news

Probably not enough people have played past mid-levels to get a good picture of overall difficulty

 

[Haplo]

I guess it depends how much you optimize. Crazy strong combos are possible from mid-game and I don't think the game has an answer to 1000+ dpr at level 12. Not that I know any games with robust, interesting - and, consequently, "unbalanced" character building options that do. Still, random encounters, when you're moving without your full suite of buffs can still be pretty brutal (or annoying at least).

On the other hand, I think the game IS rather tough for a "normal" player. It certainly doesn't pull any punches, has strong and well designed enemies and is not afraid of setting the party in unfavorable circumstances. It is one of the most difficult crpgs I have played for sure.

 

[Sunri]

I guess it depends how much you optimize. Crazy strong combos are possible from mid-game and I don't think the game has an answer to 1000+ dpr at level 12. Not that I know any games with robust and "unbalanced" character building options that do. Still, random encounters, when you're moving without your full suite of buffs can still be pretty brutal (or annoying at least).

On the other hand, I think the game IS rather tough for a "normal" player. It certainly doesn't pull any punches, has strong and well designed enemies and is not afraid of setting the party in unfavorable circumstances.

I mean if you get ambush and half of your characters gets insta gibbed because they spawned on top of the enemies thats not about buffs its just bad design all those random encounters feel like waste of time anyway they should delete them from the game.

 

[Grunker]

I guess it depends how much you optimize. Crazy strong combos are possible from mid-game and I don't think the game has an answer to 1000+ dpr at level 12. Not that I know any games with robust, interesting - and, consequently, "unbalanced" character building options that do. Still, random encounters, when you're moving without your full suite of buffs can still be pretty brutal (or annoying at least).

On the other hand, I think the game IS rather tough for a "normal" player. It certainly doesn't pull any punches, has strong and well designed enemies and is not afraid of setting the party in unfavorable circumstances. It is one of the most difficult crpgs I have played for sure.

I optimize but within off-kilter builds of my own design so not really. I don't netdeck optimal builds because why would you in an SP game. The question is: how does it compare to Kingmaker which was trivial from mid-levels and beyond even on unfair.

 

[NJClaw]

You can easily google something like "Pathfinder bestiary"

Owlcat inflates defensive numbers to laughable degree (which I support and have supported in Kingmaker as well, since 3.5/PF offenses are hilariously overtuned compared to defensives, making the quintessential 3.5/PF stat initiative if played RAW post level 6 or 7ish).

He is complaining about AC 40 and 50 and those aren't Owlcat-inflated numbers. Base high-level monsters already have ACs around 40.

 

[Haplo]

I guess it depends how much you optimize. Crazy strong combos are possible from mid-game and I don't think the game has an answer to 1000+ dpr at level 12. Not that I know any games with robust, interesting - and, consequently, "unbalanced" character building options that do. Still, random encounters, when you're moving without your full suite of buffs can still be pretty brutal (or annoying at least).

On the other hand, I think the game IS rather tough for a "normal" player. It certainly doesn't pull any punches, has strong and well designed enemies and is not afraid of setting the party in unfavorable circumstances. It is one of the most difficult crpgs I have played for sure.

I optimize but within off-kilter builds of my own design so not really. I don't netdeck optimal builds because why would you in an SP game. The question is: how does it compare to Kingmaker which was trivial from mid-levels and beyond even on unfair.

Well, I'm still quite early in mid-game (level 12) so cannot say too much. I've started generally rolling enemies outside random encounters - but I do optimize. On the other hand, both the enemy and area design has been WAY more brutal then in Kingmaker, where I basically only had issues in chapter 1.

Here the entire chapter 2 was also rather brutal. Late chapter, the mobs in Drezen siege exterior or Lost Chapel weren't particularly dangerous, but the attrition really got to you... and mini-bosses, as well as chapter bosses were typically a solid challenge (I was impressed how much the chapter 2 boss was a murder machine).

For sure I'd rate it as significantly more difficult then Kingmaker - which doesn't mean you can't roll enemies with an optimized party.

 

[ArchAngel]

I guess it depends how much you optimize. Crazy strong combos are possible from mid-game and I don't think the game has an answer to 1000+ dpr at level 12. Not that I know any games with robust, interesting - and, consequently, "unbalanced" character building options that do. Still, random encounters, when you're moving without your full suite of buffs can still be pretty brutal (or annoying at least).

On the other hand, I think the game IS rather tough for a "normal" player. It certainly doesn't pull any punches, has strong and well designed enemies and is not afraid of setting the party in unfavorable circumstances. It is one of the most difficult crpgs I have played for sure.

I optimize but within off-kilter builds of my own design so not really. I don't netdeck optimal builds because why would you in an SP game. The question is: how does it compare to Kingmaker which was trivial from mid-levels and beyond even on unfair.

New game is harder on Core difficulty in mid/late game than Kingmaker was on Challenging difficulty. Only difficult thing in Kingmaker was solved by giving everyone Blind Fighting. I've played both games without significant optimizing. Best I done in Kingmaker was level up Valerie as Melee Earth Kinetic Warrior.
In this game I didn't even really bother with prestige classes except with Regill.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

In Wrath on Core, for example, trying to building a lore friendly tank without meme dips equals it often getting stomped by most basic enemies if you do not heavily buff and against anything boss-like it will be completely unviable. This definitely isn't how it worked in Kingmaker. If you sperg and multi-class a lot then you can break both games quite easily, which is also one of the least surprising things in the world.

 

[Yosharian]

Kingmaker ... which was trivial from mid-levels and beyond even on unfair.

Mods!

 

[Jaedar]

I guess it depends how much you optimize. Crazy strong combos are possible from mid-game and I don't think the game has an answer to 1000+ dpr at level 12. Not that I know any games with robust, interesting - and, consequently, "unbalanced" character building options that do. Still, random encounters, when you're moving without your full suite of buffs can still be pretty brutal (or annoying at least).

On the other hand, I think the game IS rather tough for a "normal" player. It certainly doesn't pull any punches, has strong and well designed enemies and is not afraid of setting the party in unfavorable circumstances. It is one of the most difficult crpgs I have played for sure.

I optimize but within off-kilter builds of my own design so not really. I don't netdeck optimal builds because why would you in an SP game. The question is: how does it compare to Kingmaker which was trivial from mid-levels and beyond even on unfair.

If you felt kingmaker was trivial even on unfair, I think you'll find this to be much the same. ACs and ABs are higher this time around, but the mythic talents/abilities are massive power boosts as well.

I played both on core, and I think wrath is mostly easier, with the occasional spike that makes it very tricksy. Kingmaker was more even.

 

[ga♥]

Kingmaker has no comparable difficulty spike as in WOTR transition from chapter 3 to chapter 4 (starting with the Midnight Fane).
But I think everything is going to be nerfed and popamoled soon(TM).

 

[Notorious]

My Cavalier has AC 40 and the Horse 50, fucking ridiculous. Next you'll have 100 Attack vs 100 AC, what's the fucking point?

How do you people find the courage to buy a Pathfinder video game adaptation and then complain about numbers inflation? You can easily google something like "Pathfinder bestiary" and find out that high-level monsters have ACs around 40 while unbuffed. Don't you have the internet?

Bored at work and actually looked this up. My horse is apperently at an level of a Mythic Wyrm Red Dragon (Whatever the fuck that is) and Cthulhu (They didn't even bother to change the name).

A normal Dragon can't even hold a candle to my majestic steed.

Whatever, changing this wouldn't fix the system anyway. Could have been saved if the rest of the game was decent, something which Kingmaker managed at times.

 

[Whisper]

WOTR is harder. Kingmaker was challenging on Unfair at chapter 1 and some parts of chapter 2. Than it went much easier.

 

[The_Mask]

 

[Thonius]

WOTR is deff harder, feels like overturned at times if you don't like non lore/rp builds.
Also, there's a new buff bot mode and some cool tweaks (Bubbles Ultimate Buff Bot Lite Extra Simple and BubbleTweak)

 

[mediocrepoet]

WOTR is deff harder, feels like overturned at times if you don't like non lore/rp builds.
Also, there's a new buff bot mode and some cool tweaks (Bubbles Ultimate Buff Bot Lite Extra Simple and BubbleTweak)

People just need to adjust their character concepts and RP. I mean, who here hasn't dreamed of playing a descendant of dragons who trained as a monk before being chosen by the Gods to become a paladin before leaving that life behind to pursue his true passion of vivisection? Morons. That's who.

 

[Jaedar]

WOTR is deff harder, feels like overturned at times if you don't like non lore/rp builds.
Also, there's a new buff bot mode and some cool tweaks (Bubbles Ultimate Buff Bot Lite Extra Simple and BubbleTweak)

People just need to adjust their character concepts and RP. I mean, who here hasn't dreamed of playing a descendant of dragons who trained as a monk before being chosen by the Gods to become a paladin before leaving that life behind to pursue his true passion of vivisection? Morons. That's who.

Meanwhile, I am completely wrecking 99% of the game with my pure sword saint, pure kineticist, pure witch, pure wizard, pure druid, ranger/slayer party. There's the occasional spiky fight (like demodand conspiracy), and it's not like I can just turn on rtwp mode and watch but still.

So what's a cool class for actually using armor? Obviously mage armor + monk dip is superior to everything else in terms of AC, but what's a decent medium/heavy armor build?
And has anyone managed to figure out how to make a transformation build work?

 

[Whisper]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder...9/how_long_does_this_awful_defend_the_tavern/


Why so many players are idiots?

Tavern defence is fun, enjoying it.

 

[aloeh]

I think the endgame of kingmaker is harder than WotR just because of Nyrissa minions spamming one spell (don't remember the name). It is a pain in the ass, the endboss is easier than this fuckers.

The WotR have more boss fights, but the minions are less buffed, so is OK.

But I'm still didn't play in unfair, I'm keeping to lich run.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Why so many players are idiots?

Because both here and on reddit we are limited to people who can (more or less) write in English. There is no access to pure Chinese, Russian, and Japanese speaking audience.

 

[Sunri]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder...9/how_long_does_this_awful_defend_the_tavern/


Why so many players are idiots?

Tavern defence is fun, enjoying it.

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