Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[ArchAngel]

So why do people hate this game now? I think I am out of the loop.

Wasn't everyone looking forward to it?

Only few misfits hate it, usually those that play Grimoire.. or Cyberpunk.. one of those two.

 

[NJClaw]

So why do people hate this game now? I think I am out of the loop.

Wasn't everyone looking forward to it?

Define "people".

Also keep in mind that even some of those who supposedly hate WotR have already played it multiple times. I think this proves that, despite its glaring and obvious flaws, this game does something right (or that Codex users are batshit crazy and love to play games they don't enjoy).

 

[panda]

I'd say the hype wave was too strong and pushed expectations to sky high levels. Objective flaws are rather mild(SJW overdose, bugs, rushed endgame content), while properly finished parts are exceptionally good.
And there is always that thing about haters which you shoud keep in mind:

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haters gonna hate

 

[Yosharian]

The game still isn't in a properly playable state if you are seeking to use certain classes or paths. I'm still waiting on a fix for the Loremaster spell secrets ability, for example, which is a core part of my planned MC build.

 

[perfectslumbers]

It's unfinished like most rpgs. But it is still loved on codex and will probably be goty and end up high on the next top 100 list. Every game gets hate on here.

 

[Haplo]

So why do people hate this game now? I think I am out of the loop.

Wasn't everyone looking forward to it?

Only few misfits hate it, usually those that play Grimoire.. or Cyberpunk.. one of those two.

Well, I did play Cyberpunk and love WotR. Although I do acknowledge many big issues Cyberpunk has. The graphics design, art direction, gun animations and sounds are superb IMO, though. The city design nothing short of impressive too (even if some major simplifications exist).

Regarding WotR, I had hoped it'd be significantly better then Kingmaker - and it is not IMO. Still, both are some of the best games I've ever played, so its ok.

 

[Nikanuur]

So why do people hate this game now? I think I am out of the loop.

Wasn't everyone looking forward to it?

I am geting constantly discouraged, overwhlelemed, and sometimes aggravated or disguested by some of the game's features. But I am returning. The sum of the features to love is quite larger. For the ceiling cat's sake! It's a huge, isometric RPG true to the core!

 

[ArchAngel]

So why do people hate this game now? I think I am out of the loop.

Wasn't everyone looking forward to it?

I am geting constantly discouraged, overwhlelemed, and sometimes aggravated or disguested by some of the game's features. But I am returning. The sum of the features to love is quite larger. For the ceiling cat's sake! It's a huge, isometric RPG true to the core!

Only thing killing my enjoyment is performance in Act 4

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Abyss city.

When my FPS drops under 10 in some situations I want to quit playing.

 

[Daidre]

When my FPS drops under 10 in some situations I want to quit playing.

I had switched off all shadows in graphic option for better performance in the city. It helped me noticeably.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

So why do people hate this game now? I think I am out of the loop.

Wasn't everyone looking forward to it?

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/wrath-of-the-cringefinder-compilation-thread.140072/

 

[Dishonoredbr]

So why do people hate this game now? I think I am out of the loop.

Wasn't everyone looking forward to it?

I am geting constantly discouraged, overwhlelemed, and sometimes aggravated or disguested by some of the game's features. But I am returning. The sum of the features to love is quite larger. For the ceiling cat's sake! It's a huge, isometric RPG true to the core!

Only thing killing my enjoyment is performance in Act 4

Spoiler

Abyss city.

When my FPS drops under 10 in some situations I want to quit playing.

The Fleshmarket fight as Azata is particular PAINFUL. Not only is quite hard but the frame drops are insane.

 

[Outmind]

Quick question before jumping into the game - which class should I not pick because the companion that has it is worth getting for their story / quests / development?

 

[Anonymous Wife Scholar]

Quick question before jumping into the game - which class should I not pick because the companion that has it is worth getting for their story / quests / development?

Nenio anon is based redpilled Wizard friend anon anon! It is true anon! It is! You are a good anon!

 

[Dishonoredbr]

Quick question before jumping into the game - which class should I not pick because the companion that has it is worth getting for their story / quests / development?

I don't think is worth picking any Physical Ranged class , like Hunter or Ranger because you have like 3 possible companions that are build in mind for Ranged combat and one of them is really good. Wizard/Sorcerer too because Nenio, the only full arcane caster in the game is fucking boring and annoying as fuck. I hate her.

Other than that , i think all others classes are perfectly fine and don't overlap too much with the companions because of your Mythic path make you unique enough.

 

[ArchAngel]

Quick question before jumping into the game - which class should I not pick because the companion that has it is worth getting for their story / quests / development?

Paladin companion is good enough in its role. If not there is a good enough fighter substitute. Rogue caster is also good enough. There are two good healers (one can be made into caster or melee as seconday, other one can also be good offensive caster focused on holy damage and fire). Pure arcane caster is very good. Shaman is well made melee offensive character, also cool background. Witch is good fire or lightning offensive caster and also decent healer/buffer. Slayer character is meh in combat, you can probably make a much better Slayer. There are 3 different Archers, all 3 are good in their roles I guess. Monk version is probably least useful in my experience.
If you pick Lich, you can also replace most of those companions with new silent Undead companions with no quests.

 

[ArchAngel]

BTW, I was thinking of doing some Druid run. Would you recommend Azata or Aeon for that? I would prefer to focus on shapeshifting or summoning instead of damaging spells.
Between Nenio, Ember and Daeran you have enough offensive spell casters.

 

[Dishonoredbr]

BTW, I was thinking of doing some Druid run. Would you recommend Azata or Aeon for that? I would prefer to focus on shapeshifting or summoning instead of damaging spells.
Between Nenio, Ember and Daeran you have enough offensive spell casters.

If you go for summoning, Aeon 100%. Aeon has some great stuff for Summoning characters because of Aeon Gaze and Bane.

 

[Nikanuur]

Quick question before jumping into the game - which class should I not pick because the companion that has it is worth getting for their story / quests / development?

Thieves and / or thieving skills for one suppose. Also ranged combat chars are pretty in abundance.

Unasked-for advice - if you are not into the masochism, don't pick flat Alchemist or Bombardier in this Pathfinder. At least not from the beginning.

 

[ArchAngel]

Quick question before jumping into the game - which class should I not pick because the companion that has it is worth getting for their story / quests / development?

Thieves and / or thieving skills for one suppose. Also ranged combat chars are pretty in abundance.

Unasked-for advice - if you are not into the masochism, don't pick flat Alchemist or Bombardier in this Pathfinder. At least not from the beginning.

There is plenty of human enemies early that have no fire resistance and at mythic 1 you can pick that you ignore fire immunity and resistances. You are allowed to use a Heavy Crossbow vs demons until you get Mythic 1. Early you need same feats for both anyways.

 

[Outmind]

Quick question before jumping into the game - which class should I not pick because the companion that has it is worth getting for their story / quests / development?

Thieves and / or thieving skills for one suppose. Also ranged combat chars are pretty in abundance.

Unasked-for advice - if you are not into the masochism, don't pick flat Alchemist or Bombardier in this Pathfinder. At least not from the beginning.

Wow, really? I played the last one with a bomb-focused alchemist and had a blast teehee.

 

[ArchAngel]

BTW, I was thinking of doing some Druid run. Would you recommend Azata or Aeon for that? I would prefer to focus on shapeshifting or summoning instead of damaging spells.
Between Nenio, Ember and Daeran you have enough offensive spell casters.

If you go for summoning, Aeon 100%. Aeon has some great stuff for Summoning characters because of Aeon Gaze and Bane.

I am just looking at Druid subclasses and they didn't add anything that has any special summoning bonues, for that it seems it is still best to be cleric subclass or that Inquisitor one.
But Elemental Rampager seems interesting for melee and shapeshifting. Its bonuses go up to +5 while rampanging, I don't know it you lose access to spells with it is active and if you can use Mythic ability that gives you unlimited amount of rampaging. And it has no pet so maybe the Azata pet is a good match :D

 

[Nikanuur]

Wow, really? I played the last one with a bomb-focused alchemist and had a blast teehee.

There is plenty of human enemies early that have no fire resistance and at mythic 1 you can pick that you ignore fire immunity and resistances. You are allowed to use a Heavy Crossbow vs demons until you get Mythic 1. Early you need same feats for both anyways.

Well, what can I say. Good for you. My playthrough with him was pretty drudging for many initial hours. Combat-wise an unsignificant archer, an off-caster, but his main - bombs - useless in 1/2 of encounters due to those all-energy-resists of most demons. Yes, until the Mythic or higher levels, good point, thank you. But that doesn't come really that early and I didn't know. After the battle, everyone is a general...

My thinking wasn't a good one, I agree. I mutliclassed early to make up for the bombs. One error upon another. Extensive respec later isn't always a fun prospect, and I suppose I am hardly the only one who found out something rather useless only too late. The bomber isn't that clear, pure, easy-fun damage-mayhem as it was in P:K unless given a quite considerate approach from the beginning. A paradox really. Hence my advice.

 

[razvedchiki]

what are the best weapons per category atm? like in kingmaker 2handed axes were rguably the best 2handed choice because of their excellent progression and availability.

 

[ArchAngel]

Wow, really? I played the last one with a bomb-focused alchemist and had a blast teehee.

There is plenty of human enemies early that have no fire resistance and at mythic 1 you can pick that you ignore fire immunity and resistances. You are allowed to use a Heavy Crossbow vs demons until you get Mythic 1. Early you need same feats for both anyways.

Well, what can I say. Good for you. My playthrough with him was pretty drudging for many initial hours. Combat-wise an unsignificant archer, an off-caster, but his main - bombs - useless in 1/2 of encounters due to those all-energy-resists of most demons. Yes, until the Mythic or higher levels, good point, thank you. But that doesn't come really that early and I didn't know. After the battle, everyone is a general...

My thinking wasn't a good one, I agree. I mutliclassed early to make up for the bombs. One error upon another. Extensive respec later isn't always a fun prospect, and I suppose I am hardly the only one who found out something rather useless only too late. The bomber isn't that clear, pure, easy-fun damage-mayhem as it was in P:K unless given a quite considerate approach from the beginning. A paradox really. Hence my advice.

You are saying this like my Lich Necro was much better at early levels. Cause Fear is one guy and does nothing if they save. Elemental spells are worse than bombs, you are basically casting Grease and Web as Necro until you get to Mythic levels so you can get abundance spell and have enough lvl 2 slots to slot in lots of Bone spells. And then you run into undead that are immune to that spell... so buhuhu. And you don't even get good then, you are basically a subpar caster until you get to Mythic 3 and can merge spellbooks and get access to Lich spells.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Nikanuur I wonder if you could make a guide or a video tutorial "How to make one of the best archetypes useless" using Grenadier or Alchemists in general.