Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Yosharian]

Mad Dog over Primalist are you fucking insane

 

[ArchAngel]

Mad Dog over Primalist are you fucking insane

After owning everything with a Mad Dog I am not. I don't see what a few dispellable buffs give me over an insane Smilodon mount. No spells can account for bonus damage I was doing and how I was 1 round killing really tough enemies.
Not to mention others can buff you, but their buffs cannot give you benefits of insane pet and extra +2 to flanking attacks from that pet.

 

[Yosharian]

Just because your Mad Dog character pwned a few monsters doesn't make it objectively better than Primalist bro

 

[ArchAngel]

Just because your Mad Dog character pwned a few monsters doesn't make it objectively better than Primalist bro

Yes it does. Testing hypothesis is always superior to theorycrafting.

EDIT: What does Primalist give you that you don't get from other party members? Shield? Mirror Image?
You don't need either while you are on a mount.
EDIT2: Best self cast only spell I see is Greater False Life. Sorry I rather take 200+ life mount with better AC that I could ever achive to be my life buffer before they start attacking me than some temporary life LOL

 

[Yosharian]

Uhhhh

 

[Humbaba]

I just checked out specific abilities. I do agree that it seems to be a better version of base barbarian, except Barbarians can dump Charisma, and this guy cannot. Vs Mad Dog Barbarian, it is even worse due to needing to have a high enough Charisma so that means less in physical stats. Pets are not Achilles heel, even if it fails you get your full barbarian powers and you don't have casts per day and you don't get dispelled and you don't waste slots on Enduring spells and Greater Enduring spells.

I would still take Mad Dog over Primalist in any combination.

Pets are Achilles' heels. When it dies, the whole point of the class dies with it. Whereas only a handful of enemies know dispel, every enemy can theoretically down your mount.

You don't need to dump anything in Pathfinder. The primalists' initial lack of DEX bonus to AC is mitigated by his high CON and later fully rendered irrelevant thanks to belts, shield spell and mage armor and just plain old regular medium or even light armor. Besides, you only need 14 CHA to get full access to the bloodrager spell list and that's not a particularly high investment.

you don't have casts per day

Not having access to spells is a positive now?????

 

[ArchAngel]

I just checked out specific abilities. I do agree that it seems to be a better version of base barbarian, except Barbarians can dump Charisma, and this guy cannot. Vs Mad Dog Barbarian, it is even worse due to needing to have a high enough Charisma so that means less in physical stats. Pets are not Achilles heel, even if it fails you get your full barbarian powers and you don't have casts per day and you don't get dispelled and you don't waste slots on Enduring spells and Greater Enduring spells.

I would still take Mad Dog over Primalist in any combination.

Pets are Achilles' heels. When it dies, the whole point of the class dies with it. Whereas only a handful of enemies know dispel, every enemy can theoretically down your mount.

You don't need to dump anything in Pathfinder. The primalists' initial lack of DEX bonus to AC is mitigated by his high CON and later fully rendered irrelevant thanks to belts, shield spell and mage armor and just plain old regular medium or even light armor. Besides, you only need 14 CHA to get full access to the bloodrager spell list and that's not a particularly high investment.

you don't have casts per day

Not having access to spells is a positive now?????

Only if you don't know how to use pets (not to mention if pet dies you are still an almost full barbarian that just lost access to 2 feats but with a live pet you are 50% more powerful than a base barbarian). In my run I got dispelled of useful buffs way more times than my pet was killed (which was maybe once or twice in total).
And not having access to spells that are worth little compare to OP pets is positive. We are talking about losing lvl 4 spells, if Primalist had access to lvl 6 or 9 this would be a different discussion.

 

[Humbaba]

Only if you don't know how to use it. In my run I got dispelled of useful buffs way more times than my pet was killed (which was maybe once or twice in total).
And not having access to spells that are worth little compare to OP pets is positive. We are talking about losing lvl 4 spells, if Primalist had access to lvl 6 or 9 this would be a different discussion.

Even if you were telling the truth, then that means that your class was rendered pointless twice, whereas any primalist would never be. Spells are not the sole draw of bloodrager as I am sure you are aware.

 

[ArchAngel]

Only if you don't know how to use it. In my run I got dispelled of useful buffs way more times than my pet was killed (which was maybe once or twice in total).
And not having access to spells that are worth little compare to OP pets is positive. We are talking about losing lvl 4 spells, if Primalist had access to lvl 6 or 9 this would be a different discussion.

Even if you were telling the truth, then that means that your class was rendered pointless twice, whereas any primalist would never be. Spells are not the sole draw of bloodrager as I am sure you are aware.

Bloodrager or Primalist? Primalist only has up to lvl 4 spells over pure Barbarian if he chooses all Rage powers.
Those two deaths mean little when I was so much more powerful for rest of the game then your puny Primalist.

 

[Humbaba]

Bloodrager or Primalist? Primalist only has up to lvl 4 spells over pure Barbarian if he chooses all Rage powers.

What are you on about even. Rage powers are unrelated to the spell list for either bloodrager or primalist.

I was so much more powerful for rest of the game then your puny Primalist.

Cringed so hard I broke 3 vertebrae.

 

[Daidre]

Well Protection from [alignment] is supposed to be a counter to mind control in PnP, but Owlcat decided they know better.

Protection from Evil prevents charm as it should, like from those vampire spawns in Drezen's dungeon in the end of Chapter 2.

Shield of Law, cleric lvl 8 spell, protects from any compulsions cast by demons (and other chaotic creatures), like that hellishly annoying DC 30+ Overwhelming Presence some succubus priestess casts (and one particular Demon Lord).

 

[RunningWolf]

Damn. Another point to merged Angel...

 

[Humbaba]

Protection from Evil prevents charm as it should, like from those vampire spawns in Drezen's dungeon in the end of Chapter 2.

Shield of Law, cleric lvl 8 spell, protects from any compulsions cast by demons (and other chaotic creatures), like that hellishly annoying DC 30+ Overwhelming Presence some succubus priestess casts (and one particular Demon Lord).

Do you get anything cool from killing the succubus priestess?

 

[ArchAngel]

Bloodrager or Primalist? Primalist only has up to lvl 4 spells over pure Barbarian if he chooses all Rage powers.

What are you on about even. Rage powers are unrelated to the spell list for either bloodrager or primalist.

I was so much more powerful for rest of the game then your puny Primalist.

Cringed so hard I broke 3 vertebrae.

Learn to read, you don't even know how your puny class works LOL. MAD DOG SMASH PUNY CLASS!

 

[Mauman]

No.

They should have never released the game on consoles. First, a PC version, probably with mandatory RTX, and then maybe port to the 5th gen consoles.

This might have killed their business at the release, but would have left much better impression of the game.

.....

I'm....agreeing with you?

Give me a minute, I have to check to see if the skies are blood red and seas are boiling.

 

[Lhynn]

Barbarian

Blood rager is where is at.

Blood rager is an abomination. Mixing Barbarian and Sorcerer in a single class... Call me purist, but imo barbarians needs to have negative opinions towards sorcery. If is a hatred or merely distrust or seeing it as a tool for weaklings, then is up to the barbarian and his tribe in question. Is like attempting to mix a paladin with a dread necromancer.

I would agree, however heres the deal. Either you turn to magic or you suck fat cock. Especially barbarians, their entire class viability for a long time relies on a single mythic path feature.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Barbarian

Blood rager is where is at.

Blood rager is an abomination. Mixing Barbarian and Sorcerer in a single class... Call me purist, but imo barbarians needs to have negative opinions towards sorcery. If is a hatred or merely distrust or seeing it as a tool for weaklings, then is up to the barbarian and his tribe in question. Is like attempting to mix a paladin with a dread necromancer.

I would agree, however heres the deal. Either you turn to magic or you suck fat cock. Especially barbarians, their entire class viability for a long time relies on a single mythic path feature.

Crom laughs at you from his mountain.

 

[Daidre]

Do you get anything cool from killing the succubus priestess?

Iirc she got gloves with +2 DC for enchantment spells.
But for me cleaning out this filth from my cellar is rather matter of principle.

 

[Chaoneu]

Bookworm circle is prety good for Animal companion. Imunity to mind control + 2 int for feats

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

, probably with mandatory RTX

That would kill the game. Not everyone has a fancy Nvidia GPU or are willing to fork over 500 bucks to play a 60 dollar game. That is, ironically, console mentality.
It wouldn't even solve the main issues; no amount of shiny textures is going to fix the bugs or gameplay issues.

 

[RunningWolf]

Another benefit of the mount is the armor you can wear on harder difficulties. Since your AC matters little, its one of the few builds where its beneficial to wear armor for its non AC properties. Armor of comradery you get in ACT2 for example is +4 damage at all times which is basically free Greater Weapon Specialization that works for all weapons and natural attacks. Most regular melee builds cant wear something so low AC on Hard and Unfair, at least with how i play.

 

[Chaoneu]

For 7 - 10 lvl, armor of comradery have pretty good ac + max agil. In late game, + 4 dmg not so stunning either.

 

[Lhynn]

Crom laughs at you from his mountain.

We both know Conan multiclassed.

 

[Humbaba]

Crom laughs at you from his mountain.

We both know Conan multiclassed.

As well as we know that Crom lives beneath the everlasting sky and is weaker than it.

Now I'm wondering if a Barb/Rogue build could work out.

 

[Thonius]

Why would they delay it the day before release? You stupid fucks at least give it a week or so

Delaying anything a day before release is an extremely bad sign and tells me that they fucked the DLC beyond the reasons given. Like bruh, you're the delaying the game because of "balance"? And you only noticed just NOW? Cmon, fat.

Mad Dog Barbarian is better with how mounted combat is implemented.

Yet another hot take, along with "mutation warrior is bad because no armor training"

They got hacked by swen I mean rusty and lost all progress on dlc