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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]
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luj1
You're all shills
This is the kind of people Pathfinder was made for - equivalent to a half-literate medieval peasant.
luj1
You're all shills
I hope they cram in 10 more minigames.
If they do, and the game is popular, I hope you choke slowly on that thought. lul
Cryomancer
Arcane
Baldur's Gate is a high magical setting. If you wanna low/no magic setting, go play other game.
And hotu is epic. Considered unanimously better than the base OC. Same with Mask of The betrayer. Both are high level adventures /epic level adventures
Pathfinder is far above DOS2 on codex list of best RPG's
Lacrymas
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HotU is considered better because OC is one of the worst campaigns we've ever gotten. What these systems need to do is limit the amount (and power/effect) of spells and abilities. There's no need to have 4 rows of spells when 80% of them are buffs and you only use 3 others. Low level D&D has always been the best part of any of the games.
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Mid-level is where its at. Level 8 - 12 or 14.
Low level is ass boring. Might as well play 6 fighters in your party.
Low level is ass boring. Might as well play 6 fighters in your party.
Ontopoly
Disco Hitler
I feel like final dungeons should always be at max level for the whole thing. That way they can actually test your ability and everything you've learned along the way. By the final dungeon you're done progressing, it's time to test all the progression you've gone through.
Low level is needed to feel awsum at higher level when you can fireball your whole party who called you useless before.
You first have to be kobold shit throwing kiddo crawling through mines of kobold shit, it's part of the package and the most romantic part of rpgs.
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Cryomancer
Arcane
There are adaptations of D&D to fit low magical settings, even conan. There are no magic above circle 6 there, magic damages your constituition, magical items are extremely rarer, many spells got converted into long rituals and bombarding spells got either removed or requiring ultra expensive reagents. No elves, half dragons and other races But D&D is a high magical setting and Baldur's Gate has the God of homicide literally impregnating a lot of different magical creatures. It is not low fantasy.
Hell, a game who starts with mindflayers vehicles fighting dragons can't be anything but high fantasy.
Hell, a game who starts with mindflayers vehicles fighting dragons can't be anything but high fantasy.
Yosharian
Arcane
The problem with high level is WotC can't balance for shit. Even 5E isn't balanced. Forcecage for example is utter bullshit. So is Wall of Force.
Cryomancer
Arcane
Cool factor >>>> balance.
Keep in mind that the usage of spells from circles 6+ are far more limited on 5E than on 3.5e. A sorcerer on 3.5e could cast 6 time wishes per day...
Yosharian
Arcane
Yes I agree with that on some level. I had the same thing in mind when I wrote the post - ok Forcecage is completely insane, but it's very cool and rather unique.
However the fact remains that these spells could be at least more balanced really easily. Both Forcecage and Wall of Force could move one, maybe even two spell levels up and STILL be excellent spells worth taking.
When a spell is so good it overshadows everything else on the entire spell level and maybe even the next one, there's a fucking problem.
Cryomancer
Arcane
You are right. My point is. On BG2, mind flayers are hard enemies even for high level parties with 6 guys. With a lv cap = 10, 4 guys only has a chance against then if they are nerfed to oblivion but i never played 5e, so IDK if is the case. Nizidramanii'yt took me some efreets and the slayer form to solo. I can't imagine a story about mind flayers with low to mid level setting.
But ToEE level cap is also 10 and you fight a demon lord and even spend some time trying to survive from Iuz, a demi god. The problem is that you fight the demon lord in a gimmicky way...
Yosharian
Arcane
Yeah in BG2 a bunch of Mind Flayers would shit all over a party of level 10 guys. Dunno what enemies you face exactly in BG3 though.
Reinhardt
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Yeah, ability to be able to stuff 3 horrid wiltings into sequencer. So test, much ability!
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Illithids are CR 7.
Yosharian
Arcane
In BG2 a single Mind Flayer can disable your entire party and munch through your brains in 2-3 hits (or less if you dumped Int)
just sayin
Generic-Giant-Spider
Guest
A lot of why I prefer BG1 over BG2 is because it was grand but on a different scale. It was high fantasy still, but a lot more reserved and kept itself grounded as best it could. In BG2 you're just beheading Illithids, slaying dragons and bashing down Beholders and even though they still have their deadliness when you're clearing out dungeons of them they tend to lose a lot of their natural fear factor. I truly believe those types of monsters are a good case of less is more. Kill one or two Illithids and you'll remember their names, but when you're downing 20 of them? They become jobbers.
fantadomat
Arcane
RPGs are generally better in the lower levels,you do need to think more strategical and adapt more frequently. In the lover levels it is a lot more fun levelling than later on,also in a lot of cases you have to look out for your supplies.
In the higher levels you are kind off set in a path and already build yourself a character and a party. That way the combats become more repetitive. Levelling is done more mechanically,you just dump the points in the way you had chosen.
In the higher levels you are kind off set in a path and already build yourself a character and a party. That way the combats become more repetitive. Levelling is done more mechanically,you just dump the points in the way you had chosen.
fantadomat
Arcane
Still it is very satisfactory to bash octopus heads
. Also it really depends on the level you go to play with them. In BG2 the sewer dungeons could be explored pretty early on. For level 8-10 party it was quite the adventure crossing that bridge in the rift area. The game is the most fun when you are low/mid level and tackling high level beasties.
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fantadomat
Arcane
What is your point mate? You could meet them with a 8-10 level party. There is one in the gnome side quest and there is a hive of them in the temple district's sewer. You clear that shit in chapter 2.
The worst part of BG2 is that they made underdark a cut off that you could only visit during the main quest. That way they made it feel that everything after chapter 3 is linear progression,which is not good for BG game. That is why in most of my replays i finish it after chapter 3,even if the underdark have some fun dungeons. Also the ToB is pretty shit,it just linear dungeon with boss killing every now and then,meh.
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I responded to your rating and my point was that an illithid isn't a high-level creature and it makes for a good villain in a low-mid level adventure.
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