Eternity Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire + DLC Thread - now with turn-based combat!

[santino27]

Make "Forbidden Fist" a forum reaction, place it next to "Brofist" Do it!

All fists are forbidden in this dojo.

 

[Parabalus]

Looks like wizards already have a solution to Woedica challenge.

Cipher is hot garbage.

Those Rogue abilities seem pretty good considering you'll probably always have a tank or another ranged character nearby. Maybe not as good as Streetfighter, but still.
New Cipher subclass looks bad. What's the drawback they get?

The rogue seems retarded, the ability is OP (30 sec charm for 1 guile...) but works only on Kith.

It doesn't have Soul Whip, so no focus from weapon attacks. It's horrible tbh, it would need like 10 focus/second to be viable, but then you're just a bad wizard. Only makes sense for a /caster multi, but there you'd want Ascendent for the PL..

 

[Lawntoilet]

The rogue seems retarded, the ability is OP (30 sec charm for 1 guile...) but works only on Kith.

It doesn't have Soul Whip, so no focus from weapon attacks. It's horrible tbh, it would need like 10 focus/second to be viable, but then you're just a bad wizard. Only makes sense for a /caster multi, but there you'd want Ascendent for the PL..

It doesn't have Soul Whip? So no bonus damage either? Wow that fucking sucks. Why do they seem to hate ciphers?

 

[santino27]

The rogue seems retarded, the ability is OP (30 sec charm for 1 guile...) but works only on Kith.

It doesn't have Soul Whip, so no focus from weapon attacks. It's horrible tbh, it would need like 10 focus/second to be viable, but then you're just a bad wizard. Only makes sense for a /caster multi, but there you'd want Ascendent for the PL..

It doesn't have Soul Whip? So no bonus damage either? Wow that fucking sucks. Why do they seem to hate ciphers?

Here's the post with the full descriptions of each subclass. Might be more useful than trying to base a discussion off of a couple of screens.

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/deadfire-new-subclasses-revealed.125004

 

[Lacrymas]

It would be incredibly bad if they don't get focus from weapon attacks, it would take like 2 minutes to be able to cast a single lvl 9 ability. I think Soul Whip only means the bonus damage.

 

[Alpan]

"Soul Mind"? Even the name is silly. What does that even mean?

 

[2house2fly]

I guess they've got the system designer on this while the writers work on the DLC. Hopefully the spells in the DLC grmoires will have some decent names

 

[santino27]

"Soul Mind"? Even the name is silly. What does that even mean?

They were hoping for Soul Glo, but that was already taken in Coming to America...

 

[Ulfhednar]

At max level, Ydwin (as Cipher/Rogue) was using Borrowed Instinct —> Blinding Strike to get +20 accuracy and very often 100+ focus within 5-10 seconds of the start of the battle for me. If they have actually removed focus gain from weapon damage for Psions, then that subclass is indeed hot garbage.

 

[Skdursh]

Is PoE2 any better than the first one? I put about 30 hours into the first game hoping the story would get more interesting and less generic, but the more I played the game the more I began to resent my purchase. The combat was fun, but the story and dialog was just such a painfully dull slog.

 

[aweigh]

Mechanically PoE 2 is much better than the first game with lots of "fun" class combinations and arguably better itemization, however I found the first game more enjoyable to play all things considered.

There's nothing in PoE 2 that will make you like it if you didn't like PoE 1, though.

 

[Safav Hamon]

Is PoE2 any better than the first one? I put about 30 hours into the first game hoping the story would get more interesting and less generic, but the more I played the game the more I began to resent my purchase. The combat was fun, but the story and dialog was just such a painfully dull slog.

The story is lame besides the faction quests, but the worldbuilding and sidequests are better than the first game. Dialogue is also much shorter and fully voiced.

The biggest improvements were to the combat system and ruleset though. If you liked the combat in the first game, then you'll probably love it in Deadfire.

 

[Safav Hamon]

To give it some more praise, it's easily the most good looking, polished, and accessible oldschool CRPG.

The quest design is on par with New Vegas, the exploration is amazing, and it has overwhelmingly positive reviews on steam.

 

[Skdursh]

To give it some more praise, it's easily the most good looking, polished, and accessible oldschool CRPG.

The quest design is on par with New Vegas, the exploration is amazing, and it has overwhelmingly positive reviews on steam.

Steam reviews are extremely unreliable in my experience. People give garbage games with no soul obscenely positive reviews and then give other games that deserve the praise even more mediocre to negative reviews. Steam reviews seem to just parrot the thoughts of so-called "games journalists" even when the journalists are sub-human sewer-beasts with IQ's that barely hit 15. I mean, PoE1 also has a "very positive" rating despite being utterly mundane, but I will admit that from the little bit of gameplay that I've seen and the trailers PoE2 at least *looks* more interesting on the surface.

 

[Riddler]

The companions and the main quest are hot garbage though. If the reason for you regretting your purchase of Poe was the writing you definitely should not get this game.

 

[Lawntoilet]

Is PoE2 any better than the first one? I put about 30 hours into the first game hoping the story would get more interesting and less generic, but the more I played the game the more I began to resent my purchase. The combat was fun, but the story and dialog was just such a painfully dull slog.

I like it a lot more than PoE1. The main story isn't really better, but it takes a back seat to the actual good and fun aspects of the game. The only thing that is really worse are the companions IMO (and the main quest is stupider, it's just that it's unobtrusive for the most part). The mechanics are much better and there is some fun exploration to be had.

Spoiler

It's worth playing while you wait for Kingmaker, the real GOTY, to get patched up

There's nothing in PoE 2 that will make you like it if you didn't like PoE 1, though.

Darth Roxor, comment?

 

[aweigh]

The quest design is on par with New Vegas, the exploration is amazing, and it has overwhelmingly positive reviews on steam.

 

[2house2fly]

The writing isn't as good as the first game, but the presentation is a lot better. They put a lot more effort into giving the average conversation more personality than in PoE1. Even as someone who enjoyed PoE1 I can barely remember a dozen characters other than the party members; I can probably remember as many from Deadfire's first island alone

 

[Safav Hamon]

From a systems standpoint the writing is better. Deadfire has the most dialogue checks of any game in history.

The worldbuilding is also better. They went from a fairly generic FR inspired setting, to a whimsical colonial Polynesian inspired setting.

 

[Lawntoilet]

The writing isn't as good as the first game, but the presentation is a lot better. They put a lot more effort into giving the average conversation more personality than in PoE1. Even as someone who enjoyed PoE1 I can barely remember a dozen characters other than the party members; I can probably remember as many from Deadfire's first island alone

Good point. The Tyranny-style tooltips helped a lot I think because they could hide loredumps behind those. But NPCs in general have a lot more personality.

From a systems standpoint the writing is better. Deadfire has the most dialogue checks of any game in history.

Did you ever take the repeated checks out of your "most checks ever" stat? There are a lot, so that might be true, but I doubt it's actually 5000 or whatever you were saying last time.

 

[Okagron]

and it has overwhelmingly positive reviews on steam.

Like that means something. Skyrim has overwhelming positive reviews as well.

 

[Skdursh]

The companions and the main quest are hot garbage though. If the reason for you regretting your purchase of Poe was the writing you definitely should not get this game.

I think I'm probably going to take your advice. The writing was the number 1 reason why I wasn't a fan of the first game. It took itself way too seriously and in a way that came across as sterile.

 

[Safav Hamon]

Deadfire's writing was panned for being too corny and lighthearted compared to the first game.

 

[aweigh]

That amount of dialog checks is proof PoE 2 has bad writing.

 

[Safav Hamon]

To be fair, I think it's why the writing isn't their best. It's impossible to have that much reactivity without sacrificing quality.