Eternity Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire + DLC Thread - now with turn-based combat!

[Desiderius]

He is right, base companions gonna be dragging you down compared to one character with OP defences

I don't want to be OP. Why not just hack the game and give yourself max stats?

Nobody left here but the autists it seems.

 

[Desiderius]

Well if you stuck on first battle u might just quit while ahead

Not stuck. Cleared it no problem. Anticipating how the class would play out.

 

[Atchodas]

Because you can do it without hacking while playing the game ?

 

[Desiderius]

Because you can do it without hacking while playing the game ?

What does the prefix over- mean to you? Just right? Trivial = bad.

 

[Sharpedge]

You really should play it solo PoTD unless you plan to create custom companions. The base game's companions are so awful I could not stand them and solo PoTD is really not that challenging. Most (if not all?) classes can do it. Anyhow, for a somewhat relaxing playthrough blood mage/steel garrote paladin was something I enjoyed.

The irony here is too deep.

Sawyer thinks Deadfire failed because he didn't cater to powergamers when they're the only ones who liked it well enough to stick around and help a new(ish) player out.

I should play solo PotD because the base game companions are so awful? What?

I meant awful in terms of personality, not awful in terms of performance. You can play with them around and they perform fine, but Xoti etc are such infuriating characters that I don't like having them around. Don't get me wrong, I played it solo because I prefer playing games solo, although I also did a run with companions to see what they are like. I did the same with PF:KM, but there they are actually somewhat enjoyable to have around and not an outright irritation.

 

[Desiderius]

I meant awful in terms of personality, not awful in terms of performance. You can play with them around and they perform fine, but Xoti etc are such infuriating characters that I don't like having them around. Don't get me wrong, I played it solo because I prefer playing games solo, although I also did a run with companions to see what they are like. I did the same with PF:KM, but there they are actually somewhat enjoyable to have around and not an outright irritation.

I feel you man. Making Mary Sue a redneck was brilliant but the snobbery of the devs ends up ruining her. Eder's quest is just so fucking impotent. Yeah, I hadn't really come to terms with how much that wore me down.

 

[Desiderius]

Atch going on ignore.

 

[Sharpedge]

I meant awful in terms of personality, not awful in terms of performance. You can play with them around and they perform fine, but Xoti etc are such infuriating characters that I don't like having them around. Don't get me wrong, I played it solo because I prefer playing games solo, although I also did a run with companions to see what they are like. I did the same with PF:KM, but there they are actually somewhat enjoyable to have around and not an outright irritation.

I feel you man. Making Mary Sue a redneck was brilliant but the snobbery of the devs ends up ruining her. Eder's quest is just so fucking impotent. Yeah, I hadn't really come to terms with how much that wore me down.

That was why my recommendation was to play either solo or to make custom companions. The other companions aren't as bad as Xoti, but they are also pretty awful. Some areas in the game become somewhat more interesting solo, particularly in the early game, although other fights (the oracle for example) become an exercise in outright tedium. The boss encounter design in this game is really poor, they are just HP sponges without much in the way of mechanics.

 

[Atchodas]

The other companions aren't as bad as Xoti

Palegina exists

 

[Lacrymas]

How do you clear the Drake fight solo?

 

[Sharpedge]

How do you clear the Drake fight solo?

I assume you mean the drake right near the start of the game in the ruins? The easy tactic is to kite all of those enemies to a choke point between a cage and a wall that is further up on the mid/right hand side of that map, so that only one enemy can face you at a time.

 

[Lacrymas]

That also requires RNG to be on your side because those panthers hurt quite a lot if you eat the damage even if you face them one by one. Unless your defense somehow exceeds their accuracy, I guess. I'm assuming people going for triple crown solo just skip that fight.

 

[Sharpedge]

That also requires RNG to be on your side because those panthers hurt quite a lot if you eat the damage even if you face them one by one. Unless your defense somehow exceeds their accuracy, I guess. I'm assuming people going for triple crown solo just skip that fight.

It is quite build dependent, but you can do that fight solo without it being too RNG heavy. I tended to play very defensive characters as opposed to very damage heavy characters, but both work for solo PotD. For early game the nuke orientated character likely has to skip some stuff like the panthers+drakes. The game isn't difficult to the point where you absolutely need to min max unless you are going for the ultimate challenge, but I have no interest in doing an escort mission that spans any time period over 5 minutes, let alone 10's of hours.

 

[Daidre]

That also requires RNG to be on your side because those panthers hurt quite a lot if you eat the damage even if you face them one by one. Unless your defense somehow exceeds their accuracy, I guess. I'm assuming people going for triple crown solo just skip that fight.

They are actually skippable - entering main dungeon makes them disappear and they are grouped far enough from the door that it could be done with almost 0 Stealth skill.
Same with Gorrecci Street, quest could be done without any fighting.

It is kinda most ridiculous thing about Ultimate - easiest way to do it is ultra-pacifist run until you lvl 17-18 and only then go through the list with kills needed for completion.

I still has a suspicion that guy who brags about killing them solo did it with full set of Berath Blessings that allows lvl 4 MC at this point.

 

[Sharpedge]

That also requires RNG to be on your side because those panthers hurt quite a lot if you eat the damage even if you face them one by one. Unless your defense somehow exceeds their accuracy, I guess. I'm assuming people going for triple crown solo just skip that fight.

They are actually skippable - entering main dungeon makes them disappear and they are grouped far enough from the door that it could be done with almost 0 Stealth skill.
Same with Gorrecci Street, quest could be done without any fighting.

It is kinda most ridiculous thing about Ultimate - easiest way to do it is ultra-pacifist run until you lvl 17-18 and only then go through the list with kills needed for completion.

I still has a suspicion that guy who brags about killing them solo did it with full set of Berath Blessings that allows lvl 4 MC at this point.

Unless you add in challenges, these fights are complete-able, albeit they are on the harder side of things. For Gorecci street, you sneak around the right hand side at the corner and (admittedly cheese the AI) to be able to fight only 1 or 2 of them at a time so the ranged enemies don't outright annihilate you with the guns. For the dragons+panthers, you can actually out defense their accuracy, with a blood mage/paladin hybrid using wizard's double to up your deflection. Hence I said, it was with an outlandishly defensive character.

 

[Daidre]

Hence I said, it was with an outlandishly defensive character.

4th level char with 50k gold?)

 

[Sharpedge]

Hence I said, it was with an outlandishly defensive character.

4th level char with 50k gold?)

No, I haven't played the game in a while but if you like I can start over, get to that point and recreate it. It shouldn't take too much time to demonstrate since it is right at the start.

 

[Desiderius]

I feel like they've nerfed Gorecci at some point.

 

[Daidre]

No, I haven't played the game in a while but if you like I can start over, get to that point and recreate it. It shouldn't take too much time to demonstrate since it is right at the start.

Believe me, I won't wish starting over Deadfire even to my worst enemy. At least to prove some point.

 

[Sharpedge]

No, I haven't played the game in a while but if you like I can start over, get to that point and recreate it. It shouldn't take too much time to demonstrate since it is right at the start.

Believe me, I wont wish starting over Deadfire even to my worst enemy. At least to prove some point.

Haha, fair enough. I only replayed it when they added The Beast of Winter and the Forgotten Sanctum DLCs hoping they were better. I was disappointed. The boss design in Seeker, Slayer, Destroyer is also an absolute let down. I don't consider bosses with huge HP pools and only 1 or 2 mechanics to be interesting at all, they are examples of everything in boss fight design I loathe. Sitting around and repeating the same sequence of powers over and over again with nothing to react to is not interesting and sadly I don't think obsidian understands that.

 

[Desiderius]

No, I haven't played the game in a while but if you like I can start over, get to that point and recreate it. It shouldn't take too much time to demonstrate since it is right at the start.

Believe me, I won't wish starting over Deadfire even to my worst enemy. At least to prove some point.

First couple hours are my favorite part. That's before you discover the whole game is a faceroll and that exploring is pointless since they never got around to populating the game.

 

[Desiderius]

I don't think obsidian understands that.

If Sawyer is any indication they just vastly (and insultingly) underestimate their potential playerbase. Oh well, more beer for Owlcat.

 

[Alpan]

I always skip Gorecci Street, but can confirm that the ruins fights are soloable using an Arcane Knight (though I had resolve dumped) if you use choke points correctly. The biggest threat there is not the panthers or the drake, it's the boar.

 

[Sharpedge]

I don't think obsidian understands that.

If Sawyer is any indication they just vastly (and insultingly) underestimate their potential playerbase. Oh well, more beer for Owlcat.

Out of their more recent games, I think the boss fight I enjoyed the most was actually the King of Shadows in NWN 2. The game itself wasn't too great (although the expansion was good) but having multiple boss phases with different mechanics you had to react to was actually a significant step up from anything in Pillars. Too bad the fight wasn't actually difficult, but it had the potential to be with numbers tweaking.

 

[Daidre]

I did a lot of experimenting with characters builds soon after release (clinical case of restartis here) and went through Port Maje 20+ times. I wanted to do complete run to try out SSS and Forgotten Sanctum, but thought of doing it again (and Neketaka quests) fills me with dread.

I always had this problem with DLCs, loading half-year old save to play some new content is almost impossible for me.